FBI, Justice Dept launch investigation in Missouri police shooting

[tsbalr120]

Ok, let's wait for the facts, but everything I say displays my partisan support to the cop..JUST because he looks like me (read. A WM).

This is rich coming from the guy who earlier this thread said my opinon doesn't matter because I was white. Fukkin hypocrite, racist POS.

[Bushmaster]

With that sais, I consider Al Sharpton a political tactician who has owned how to profit from capitalism like any American.

Correction: He has learned how to profit from RACISM under a capitalist system. And no, not like "any American" either. Like a soulless douchebag.

I'm guessing you knew that though but were afraid to come right out and say it.

[JRMoore82]

Al Sharpton is a capitalist. Just like O'Reilly and Hannity. You hate him fine as do most Conservatives especially if from your particular demographic.

Many Progressives (if not all) hate O'Reilly and Hannity especially ones from my demographics (if W. Progressives don't take offense).

The point is you don't represent plurality. It's all relevant.

With that sais, I consider Al Sharpton a political tactician who has owned how to profit from capitalism like any American.

I gain nothing from what I say, so your attempts to malign me in that way are unfortunate.

Nooo....your rant doesn't speak of plurality. Al Sharpton also says things like "police brutality is a society issue" (implying it effects all races and people) and then like you makes a statement like "just cause he looks like me" read WM. So it's taken from a plurality to if you don't understand you are white and hate blacks. Al just coins phrases like "white privileged America".

PS. Hannity is scum. Please don't assume that since I'm a "conservative" (registered independent) that I believe crazy people. Siding with a officer doesn't make me a "white honkey racist conservative)

[metroins]

Judge denies petition to view Michael Browns Juvenile record, the judge did not give a reason.

ST. LOUIS – The court order petitions for the release of Michael Brown's juvenile record have been denied.

Judge Ellen Levy Siwak denied both petitions filed by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and GotNews.com.

Last week, a juvenile court official said that Michael Brown had no serious felony convictions such as first-degree murder or second-degree murder. The information came out during a St. Louis County Circuit Court hearing.

A Ferguson police officer shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown August 9 near an apartment complex.

GotNews.com editor-in-chief Charles Johnson previously said that the public deserved to know whether a record existed. St. Louis Post-Dispatch attorney Joe Martineau argued that there is an interest in Michael Brown's background.

No reason was given for the denial of the petition.

[Dave22reborn]

Judge denies petition to view Michael Browns Juvenile record, the judge did not give a reason.

It's not even hard to look up someone's juvenile record. A cop in ferguson could do it, and give it to the media.

[metroins]

It's not even hard to look up someone's juvenile record. A cop in ferguson could do it, and give it to the media.

Isn't that illegal?

[JRMoore82]

It's not even hard to look up someone's juvenile record. A cop in ferguson could do it, and give it to the media.

Releasing sealed records would only add more fuel and hatred to the ferguson police department. Ill advised.

The judge should have given a opinion. But lack of opinion means "didn't wanna start another riot. I know they released a white kids juvinille records post humerusly but we aren't trying it here."

Also......that means there's something being hidden. If his **** was clean then they would have released it.

[JRMoore82]

Isn't that illegal?

Extremely. In Nevada juvinille records are sealed and the only person who has access is judges and that's still a process cause the judge still has to have a good reason to see them. The person will just have a notation that says juvinille records *sealed.

[JRMoore82]

Rice's totally lack of reaction to hitting her, told me it wasn't the first time.

Rice's totally lack of care when she was unconscious told me alot too.

Just dropping of this nugget of information from another thread for posterity of how this thread has turned out.

Tae can easily tell Ray Rice was a womanizing abuser from a minutes worth of video.....but we know nothing of who mike brown truly was.

[IbnKutub]

Releasing sealed records would only add more fuel and hatred to the ferguson police department. Ill advised.

The judge should have given a opinion. But lack of opinion means "didn't wanna start another riot. I know they released a white kids juvinille records post humerusly but we aren't trying it here."

Also......that means there's something being hidden. If his **** was clean then they would have released it.

It doesn't mean there is something to hide.

Judges are trained to be more prudent then that. Whether the record was clean or not is irrelevant. Their is legal reasoning behind the sealing of the records and this judge doesn't want to set a precedent with releasing Brown's sealed juvenile records ahead of what will be a high profile trial.

It was a good move by the judge.

[JRMoore82]

It doesn't mean there is something to hide.

Judges are trained to be more prudent then that. Whether the record was clean or not is irrelevant. Their is legal reasoning behind the sealing of the records and this judge doesn't want to set a precedent with releasing Brown's sealed juvenile records ahead of what will be a high profile trial.

It was a good move by the judge.

Right,

But the case regarding the MB juvinille records release also stated a case that said that the release of juvinille records of a deceased person was ok and that was in regards to a civil law suit. Not something that's sitting in front of a grand jury atm.

So why did the one kids juvinille records get released and not MB? And honestly if I was MBs parents and truly had nothing to hide I would have just done it cause I want everyone on my side and that would have calmed a lot of people saying my kids was a violent thug.

I don't know a lot of people who try to protect things that don't exist....that's why I'm more inclined to believe there is SOMETHING on his juvinille record.


Edit: point about civil case. If a simple civil case had more rights to expose a teenage kids juvinille records over something that's shaking the nation and could involve someone losing his job and possible jail time then wtf??

[TaeBoNinja]

It doesn't mean there is something to hide.

Judges are trained to be more prudent then that. Whether the record was clean or not is irrelevant. Their is legal reasoning behind the sealing of the records and this judge doesn't want to set a precedent with releasing Brown's sealed juvenile records ahead of what will be a high profile trial.

It was a good move by the judge.

I think when you put together all of the witness statements, this seems to be the most consistent version of events. I wonder if some didn't mistake "charging" for staggering. The wounds found in autopsy seems to match the staggering story too.

[TaeBoNinja]

Right,

But the case regarding the MB juvinille records release also stated a case that said that the release of juvinille records of a deceased person was ok and that was in regards to a civil law suit. Not something that's sitting in front of a grand jury atm.

So why did the one kids juvinille records get released and not MB? And honestly if I was MBs parents and truly had nothing to hide I would have just done it cause I want everyone on my side and that would have calmed a lot of people saying my kids was a violent thug.

I don't know a lot of people who try to protect things that don't exist....that's why I'm more inclined to believe there is SOMETHING on his juvinille record.


Edit: point about civil case. If a simple civil case had more rights to expose a teenage kids juvinille records over something that's shaking the nation and could involve someone losing his job and possible jail time then wtf??

Didn't authorities already say he didn't have a juvenile record? The judge cite statutes, case law, and arguments of counsel as why he didn't release the records. Curiosity is not a valid reason, and could set a bad precedent with the judge in other cases.

[JRMoore82]

Didn't authorities already say he didn't have a juvenile record? The judge cite statutes, case law, and arguments of counsel as why he didn't release the records. Curiosity is not a valid reason, and could set a bad precedent with the judge in other cases.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ords/15363291/

The judge gave NO explanation as to why he denied the release.

All they said was he didn't have a felony a or b charge or facing a a or b charge.

So nothing was said about c's (hmmmm) or misdemeanors or any such thing.

[TaeBoNinja]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...ords/15363291/

The judge gave NO explanation as to why he denied the release.

All they said was he didn't have a felony a or b charge or facing a a or b charge.

So nothing was said about c's (hmmmm) or misdemeanors or any such thing.

The judge's reasons are right there on the court order. There are laws already in place about these things.

Here's the people trying to see the records: St. Louis Post-Dispatch attorney Joe Martineau argued before the court that there is a public interest in Brown's background.
^
"public interest" wasn't deemed enough to unseal them based on the law.

[JRMoore82]

The judge's reasons are right there on the court order. There are laws already in place about these things.

Here's the people trying to see the records: St. Louis Post-Dispatch attorney Joe Martineau argued before the court that there is a public interest in Brown's background.
^
"public interest" wasn't deemed enough to unseal them based on the law.

ST. LOUIS — A judge has denied two petitions to release Ferguson, Mo., shooting victim Michael Brown's juvenile criminal records.

Judge Ellen Levy Siwak of St. Louis County Circuit Court Division 11 on Tuesday denied both petitions filed by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch and GotNews.com.
Last week, a juvenile court official said in a hearing that Brown had no serious felony convictions, such as first-degree murder or second-degree murder.

USATODAY
Timeline: Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, Mo.


USATODAY
Overflow crowd speaks out to Ferguson City Council

St. Louis Post-Dispatch attorney Joe Martineau argued before the court that there is a public interest in Brown's background. GotNews.com editor-in-chief Charles Johnson previously said that the public deserved to know whether a record existed for Brown. Johnson said he is considering appealing the judge's decision.

No reason was given for the denial of the petition.

Ferguson Police Department officer Darren Wilson shot and killed Brown, 18, on Aug. 9. The shooting sparked days of protests and violence in the St. Louis suburbs.

No thx Jeff....

The "public interest" was the city's attorney's argument.......had you read.....not even one more sentence you can clearly see........

no reason was given for the denial of the petition

[TaeBoNinja]

The reason are the statutes & laws of that region. What part of this aren't you getting? You're quoting USA Today. Go look at the actual court order posted by metroins which spells out the reasoning.

[mydawgs]

Correction: He has learned how to profit from RACISM under a capitalist system. And no, not like "any American" either. Like a soulless douchebag.

I'm guessing you knew that though but were afraid to come right out and say it.

This can not be said in a better way....Sharpton is NO MLK or Malcolm, but today I am not sure the messages of these TRUE LEADERS would be acknowledged. Accountability is not a popular concept anymore...............

[SighGR]

Even with all the evidence, I'm sure people will still defend Wilson. The fact that no word has come out on charges yet is nonsense.

This can not be said in a better way....Sharpton is NO MLK or Malcolm, but today I am not sure the messages of these TRUE LEADERS would be acknowledged. Accountability is not a popular concept anymore...............

White people, and the media, would be scared of Malcolm's views. Stop acting like you know what kind of leaders people need. Sharpton has little sway, and the only reason his presence is a good thing, is that it brings media attention to a problem.

[mydawgs]

Even with all the evidence, I'm sure people will still defend Wilson. The fact that no word has come out on charges yet is nonsense.


White people, and the media, would be scared of Malcolm's views. Stop acting like you know what kind of leaders people need. Sharpton has little sway, and the only reason his presence is a good thing, is that it brings media attention to a problem.

I am white and Malcolm's views never frightened me. I will appreciate any Leader I like, I have that right.

I disagree that "bad attention" is a good thing, and that is all that Sharpton brings, a specific agenda, regardless of it relevancy or not to a specific situation.

No one knows what happened between these two people for sure, the truth will surface, it always does. The question is when it does will we learn from it or not.

[6-SPEED]

Huge hit against Wilson's story.

[IbnKutub]

Huge hit against Wilson's story.

It's going to be an interesting trial.

[mydawgs]

It's going to be an interesting trial.

Do you think it will get the same coverage the Zimmerman/Martin trial did?

[tsbalr120]

So what about the witnesses a few weeks ago who were saying the same as wilson?

Guess it proves why eye witness is the worst form of evidence.

Wish they would release more physical evidence, that's what will tell the story.

[JRMoore82]

The reason are the statutes & laws of that region. What part of this aren't you getting? You're quoting USA Today. Go look at the actual court order posted by metroins which spells out the reasoning.

You do know that judges releases these things called "opinions" that the judges states what specific laws he used,what he felt about the arguments and why he agreed with or disagreed with a particular argument. In other words a why he didn't agree with GotNews.com.

All the statute on the order says.....

2. In all proceedings under subdivision (2) of subsection 1 of section 211.031, the records of the juvenile court as well as all information obtained and social records prepared in the discharge of official duty for the court shall be kept confidential and shall be open to inspection only by order of the judge of the juvenile court or as otherwise provided by statute.

So it doesn't give the judges opinion on why he feels that the petition brought forward by GotNews.com shouldn't be granted and why the statutes in their petition doesn't apply.

[Kiknskreem]

Huge hit against Wilson's story.

Wasn't but a few weeks ago there was very clear video of a guy with a knife coming at two officers, who then shot him. As clear cut a case of self defense as one can get.

You should have heard the witnesses, he didn't do nothing, no reason to shoot him, hnis hands were down, yada, yada, yada.

Complete bull****.

[6-SPEED]

Wasn't but a few weeks ago there was very clear video of a guy with a knife coming at two officers, who then shot him. As clear cut a case of self defense as one can get.

You should have heard the witnesses, he didn't do nothing, no reason to shoot him, hnis hands were down, yada, yada, yada.

Complete bull****.

I saw that video, the witnesses were asking why the officers didn't attempt to taze him and regardless that's a completely different case. Other than seeing a video of Brown actually being shot, that video showing the contractor's reactions to seeing the shooting is huge. They were reacting to what they just saw and they did not know Brown nor Wilson... they were unbiased.

[mydawgs]

Clearly there is a lot of evidence that is being assessed, we will see if the assessment of the evidence will even drive an indictment. People are so emotional about this that witness statements are difficult to take at face value, and the video of the man that aggressed two LEOs with a knife is a perfect example of this when it comes to witnesses.

[JRMoore82]

I saw that video, the witnesses were asking why the officers didn't attempt to taze him and regardless that's a completely different case. Other than seeing a video of Brown actually being shot, that video showing the contractor's reactions to seeing the shooting is huge. They were reacting to what they just saw and they did not know Brown nor Wilson... they were unbiased.

Right....

But there was a video where you could clearly hear someone telling a story that he witnessed brown charging at the officer and he even threatens the officer.

So now beyond clear and reasonable doubt is gone.

[Kiknskreem]

I saw that video, the witnesses were asking why the officers didn't attempt to taze him and regardless that's a completely different case.

Point being you can't assume some random eyewitness doesn't have their head completely up their ass.

"They just gunned that man down..." direct quote.

Yea, after he came at them with a knife.

And I'm well aware its a completely different case... the point being made is about the validity of eyewitness testimony.

Other than seeing a video of Brown actually being shot, that video showing the contractor's reactions to seeing the shooting is huge.

Clearly that depends on how much stock one puts into the reaction of some random witness.

They were reacting to what they just saw and they did not know Brown nor Wilson... they were unbiased.

Bias doesn't just come from knowing individuals. People can have biases for or against police, people of other races, violence in general, etc. Just because one doesn't know the individuals involved doesn't mean they're unbiased.