**** other car enthusiasts do that pisses you off

[Ascendent]

what do you think hella flush/stanced cars are then? I'm truly baffled at how you do not see this. Yes those porches aren't slammed but they are stanced. Maybe you should read up on the stance style before replying again. RWB fits large wheels and fabricates big fenders = tribute, stanced/hellaflush ppl do the same = ???

Easy answer. Hellaflush is stupid, stance can be but not always. Do you even know what the true definition of flush is? The outside of the fender flush with the line of the fender. Not this nonsense of stretching a 195 tire on a 17x10 rim and stuffing it under the car with -3.5 camber. Stance is not the garbage that took off for you folks, either. Stance is how a car sits, not making a car look stupid. If you think anything in the hellaflush world can even be considered fitting a wheel to a car, then you're dumber than I thought.

Sure, my car is designed for a 17x8.5 wheel with a +63 offset......but I'm going to run a 17x12 with a +12 offset and see if it fits. It not, I'll just camber the **** out of it and stretch a tire so that my fender lip sits on the inner lip of the wheel. This cannot be real life, but sadly it is. Don't even attempt to insult my car knowledge, I've been at this a long time, kid.

if u cant heel/toe and left foot brake you can't drive stick

I doubt you can either. Watching Initial D doesn't make you a good driver. Stop trying to sound cool to fit in, wannabe.

[Carson92]

C'mon brah.

I lol'd. On spread, I'll rep if I can remember to.

[J_L_R]

Probably already been stated but referring to cars as a gender, most notably female.

Examples: "She's a beauty" "Picked her up/dropper her off today" etc, it's a gotdamn car not a female. Seems like some kind of disorder where men feel the need to be in control of something so they refer to their cars in a feminine sense. When cars get breast and vagina's then do that, until then, it's an automobile.

[Carson92]

Easy answer. Hellaflush is stupid, stance can be but not always. Do you even know what the true definition of flush is? The outside of the fender flush with the line of the fender. Not this nonsense of stretching a 195 tire on a 17x10 rim and stuffing it under the car with -3.5 camber. Stance is not the garbage that took off for you folks, either. Stance is how a car sits, not making a car look stupid. If you think anything in the hellaflush world can even be considered fitting a wheel to a car, then you're dumber than I thought.

Sure, my car is designed for a 17x8.5 wheel with a +63 offset......but I'm going to run a 17x12 with a +12 offset and see if it fits. It not, I'll just camber the **** out of it and stretch a tire so that my fender lip sits on the inner lip of the wheel. This cannot be real life, but sadly it is. Don't even attempt to insult my car knowledge, I've been at this a long time, kid.

I have 215/40R18 tires stretched on my 18x9.5 wheels, and when aired out, it sits perfectly flush with the fender. I air up, then drive the car 500+ miles home from the show I'm at. It doesn't rub, doesn't burn paint, and drives straight. That sounds like it fits to me. Is that stupid? I agree there's always gonna be people that take it to a ridiculous extreme but generalizing that whole segment of car enthusiasts seems a little close minded of you. There are a lot of people who do this to junk cars, but there's a lot like me that care for and take pride in the appearance of their entire car, and I hate being wrapped into the category of "stancetard" by people like you. Not trying to attack, the hate for "stanced" cars just aggravates me. Especially when a lot of us love cars like yours. I don't even like using the word stance anymore because I get roped into this argument every time.

EDIT: Not trying to say you have to like the style, but blatantly calling it stupid just seems a little crass.

[CurryTech777]

I have 215/40R18 tires stretched on my 18x9.5 wheels, and when aired out, it sits perfectly flush with the fender. I air up, then drive the car 500+ miles home from the show I'm at. It doesn't rub, doesn't burn paint, and drives straight. That sounds like it fits to me. Is that stupid? I agree there's always gonna be people that take it to a ridiculous extreme but generalizing that whole segment of car enthusiasts seems a little close minded of you. There are a lot of people who do this to junk cars, but there's a lot like me that care for and take pride in the appearance of their entire car, and I hate being wrapped into the category of "stancetard" by people like you. Not trying to attack, the hate for "stanced" cars just aggravates me. Especially when a lot of us love cars like yours. I don't even like using the word stance anymore because I get roped into this argument every time.

EDIT: Not trying to say you have to like the style, but blatantly calling it stupid just seems a little crass.

dont bother with him. His hatred for stanced cars or his inability to say he was wrong has rendered him incapable of rationalizing the argument.

and i was born in india m8, i didn't see an auto transmission until i was already a man. Not saying i can lap laguna seca like lewis hamilton but i certainly can drive stick properly and utilize the racing techniques i mentioned.

[Ascendent]

I have 215/40R18 tires stretched on my 18x9.5 wheels, and when aired out, it sits perfectly flush with the fender. I air up, then drive the car 500+ miles home from the show I'm at. It doesn't rub, doesn't burn paint, and drives straight. That sounds like it fits to me. Is that stupid? I agree there's always gonna be people that take it to a ridiculous extreme but generalizing that whole segment of car enthusiasts seems a little close minded of you. There are a lot of people who do this to junk cars, but there's a lot like me that care for and take pride in the appearance of their entire car, and I hate being wrapped into the category of "stancetard" by people like you. Not trying to attack, the hate for "stanced" cars just aggravates me. Especially when a lot of us love cars like yours. I don't even like using the word stance anymore because I get roped into this argument every time.

EDIT: Not trying to say you have to like the style, but blatantly calling it stupid just seems a little crass.

Crass, and over generalizing but the majority of the "style" is flooded with bargain basement builds with eBay parts. It's sad, really.

dont bother with him. His hatred for stanced cars or his inability to say he was wrong has rendered him incapable of rationalizing the argument.

and i was born in india m8, i didn't see an auto transmission until i was already a man. Not saying i can lap laguna seca like lewis hamilton but i certainly can drive stick properly and utilize the racing techniques i mentioned.

Can't justify your own argument so you rally behind someone who shares similar views? You are one sad waste of bandwidth, my friend.

[Catalunya]

I have 215/40R18 tires stretched on my 18x9.5 wheels

Pics? strictly a show car I assume...

[cphustla]

Please explain more, you sound so informed on the subject.

Lmao I was like lmao

Sure we can talk about the feel of the drive and being in control of the car. Yes I would rather manual.

But what does what I said neglect from the performance aspects? Modern transmission are more efficient and can shift a lot faster than old automatics. Not to mention the computing.

If you want to talk about optimal shifting conditions in situations such as racing / rally/ daily driving...When your racing its not about what you want, it's about doing what is neccessary to win.

My example was just 1 of many reasons to consider the origin of the debate...

[Carson92]

Pics? strictly a show car I assume...

IMG_1582 by 207carney, on Flickr



I daily drive it April-November. Only reason it's not year round is because it's cheaper to find a winter beater I can flip for more than I paid in the spring than it is to respray my front end on this car.

[Carson92]

Crass, and over generalizing but the majority of the "style" is flooded with bargain basement builds with eBay parts. It's sad, really.
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I wish I could argue that point, but it is true that a lot of people try to get into it as cheap as possible. Either way I was just trying to make the point that not everyone with a stanced car is running cheap junk trying to have the most extreme camber and poke out there.

[arekieh]

I daily drive it April-November. Only reason it's not year round is because it's cheaper to find a winter beater I can flip for more than I paid in the spring than it is to respray my front end on this car.

Bagged or static? Looks awesome, Idk about the stretch that much but it looks amazing.

[Carson92]

Bagged or static? Looks awesome, Idk about the stretch that much but it looks amazing.

Thanks dude, it's bagged. The GTI in the picture is also bagged. The long term plans include much less stretch, but that's once I motor swap and have power that needs more tread on the ground. Right now there's no need for superior traction so might as well play out the stance/built-for-looks game while I can. In all honesty, it's drives just the same with these stretched tires as it did on 235/45/17s I had for a season and a half before so I can't complain.

[arekieh]

Nice man,

Ya I just don't like how stretched tires look, I like FAT tires and I think the rounder edges make them look less fat.

[Carson92]

Nice man,

Ya I just don't like how stretched tires look, I like FAT tires and I think the rounder edges make them look less fat.

I hear ya. Mine honestly do look a bit goofy when it's aired up to ride height. It is all for looks when it's aired out and parked.

[Ascendent]

I wish I could argue that point, but it is true that a lot of people try to get into it as cheap as possible. Either way I was just trying to make the point that not everyone with a stanced car is running cheap junk trying to have the most extreme camber and poke out there.

That's definitely more of the "hellaflush" category than anything. I was leaning more towards the illest/FatLace/StanceNation losers with ****box hatchbacks and Raceland coilovers. I hate those guys. Your car looks good, there's actually an S2000 with those wheels and some serious tire that I've seen. Yours would look a lot better with more tire, though.

[afrobrah]

The most "stretch" I ran was a 235/35 on a 9.5"
Nothing stupid but still looked good. See guys trying to run a 215 on that.

Things I hate though:

Speed holes
Intentionally using rusty panels cos it looks hella sick
Neons
Monster tachos unless your car didn't originally come with one.
Stickers when you don't even have the parts
Putting AMG / M / RS / STI /etc badges when your car isn't one. Seen an s280 AMG for sale, oh reli. How about an e36 m3 with the 2L?
Wheel nuts that stick out past the wheel
Sticker families
Etc

[Carson92]

That's definitely more of the "hellaflush" category than anything. I was leaning more towards the illest/FatLace/StanceNation losers with ****box hatchbacks and Raceland coilovers. I hate those guys. Your car looks good, there's actually an S2000 with those wheels and some serious tire that I've seen. Yours would look a lot better with more tire, though.

Thanks man. Glad to see we do somewhat come together on things here. Pretty sure I've seen that S2k you're thinking of, I like it a lot. I do agree with you, I'd like more tire on there, and that is in the eventual plans once there's power to necessitate it. Once I finish working the fender around this setup it should accommodate a fatter tire quite well. At that point I'd probably go with something more classic like a 18x8 BBS CH.

And in all honesty, if I could do it all over again, I'd go with a B5 S4 Avant that was low but performed much better. At the same time, the stance thing is quite fun for being so pointless in the grand scheme of things.

[Carson92]

The most "stretch" I ran was a 235/35 on a 9.5"
Nothing stupid but still looked good. See guys trying to run a 215 on that.

Things I hate though:

Speed holes
Intentionally using rusty panels cos it looks hella sick
Neons
Monster tachos unless your car didn't originally come with one.
Stickers when you don't even have the parts
Putting AMG / M / RS / STI /etc badges when your car isn't one. Seen an s280 AMG for sale, oh reli. How about an e36 m3 with the 2L?
Wheel nuts that stick out past the wheel
Sticker families
Etc

All this.

[jujuB]

Lowered cars are nice and I agree every car should be lowered (enthusiast cars at least) (unless you're into rally/dirt/offroad) (to an extent)

Example

This is the gayest thing on the planet



This is very well done

WAT.

both of these cars look really good.

your preference of function > form is what gives you that judgement.

there's a lot of other car stuff i don't care about, but it's no reason to "hate" their taste.

[CurryTech777]

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Can't justify your own argument so you rally behind someone who shares similar views? You are one sad waste of bandwidth, my friend.

adding another source to my argument doesn't add to my validity? Oh okay. brb resigning from my doctorate program because i clearly don't know how to make an argument.

* the guy talking about fake badges is spot on. I believe you can modify your car anyway you want. i'm okay with fart cannon exhausts in 100hp civics and lifted trucks in the suburbs but please for the love of god don't pretend your car is an m3 when its a 3 series. Although i am okay with someone using parts from an m3 on a 3 series. Just don't bring the badge.

[Ascendent]

adding another source to my argument doesn't add to my validity? Oh okay. brb resigning from my doctorate program because i clearly don't know how to make an argument.

Technically, quoting another source which doesn't fall in line with your views directly cannot be considered "adding another source". Your views and his are not the same, albeit similar....they are not parallel to one another. All you're doing is grasping at straws in an attempt to prove me wrong when in reality, your argument is based highly on the fact that you appear to be biased towards one type of "thing". In the interest of fair and impartial, you lose because you're a fanboy who knows little, cannot annunciate the pitiful amount of knowledge he does have, and is trying to argue a point via some sad tirade which has more holes than a sieve.

So tell me, how's that doctorate program coming along for you when you can't even argue facts on an internet forum? Nobody likes a braggart, man.

[Ace Thedics]

You guys seriously gonna keep this up? Ffs

[kingdef]

dont drive it.waste

[tbonez3858]

If its not an m3 it's shi* crowd....

[ClaudeGiroux]

If its not an m3 it's shi* crowd....

probably true. M3 Master race.

[stifflerstyle]

I'll add my 2 cents.

I hate when "enthusiasts" drive like they are on the track.. yet have never been near a track and say they are driving the car the way it is supposed to be driven. brb heel/toe rev matching to downshift into 2nd at 60 mph to "utilize" engine braking before the late apex.

[BigB02z28]

I'll add my 2 cents.

I hate when "enthusiasts" drive like they are on the track.. yet have never been near a track and say they are driving the car the way it is supposed to be driven. brb heel/toe rev matching to downshift into 2nd at 60 mph to "utilize" engine braking before the late apex.

Whats wrong with that? I practice my reaction time every green light... =]

[stifflerstyle]

If its not an m3 it's shi* crowd....

I think that's only prevalent on the misc

[jaygee15]

dont drive it.waste

Not necessarily, ever heard of an investment.
Or a show car. Or not wanting to spend 12 hours cleaning 30 grand in chrome undercarriage.

[jujuB]

when they say modding cars is an "investment"

you'll get maybe 10 cents per dollar spent back.