Wikileaks; classic

[BrentonJ]

But he's fighting extradition to Sweden. Not the U.S. And in any event, he committed treason/espionage w/e. He lost the game. There is NOTHING good that can come of releasing these documents other than to satisfy the curiosity of some internet nerds. Why support a guy who threatens to release info that could start wars, end alliances, and kill people? You sadistic, brah?

war's will be fought no matter what champ. its the way of the world. But what is supposed to make the US, Australia, UK etc etc great is their democratic system. That system is shown to be severly undermined by this, which is why there is so much hype over it.... its not even so much the documents importance in the long term (they themselves will be unimportant in the years to come), its the question brought on about just how free we really are.

as for the sweden extradition, i need to elaborate, what it is is that if he gets extradited to sweden, his extradition to the US will alsmot inevitably follow, and the subsequent blood bath. Thats what his worried about.

[GrokTheCube]

Under Article III, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution, any person who "levies war against the United States or adheres to its enemies by giving them Aid and Comfort has committed treason within the meaning of the Constitution." Aid encompasses releasing classified information to enemies of the U.S., even if the releaser is not a U.S. citizen. Such an offender, during a time of war, is "guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States." His website getting shutdown and bank accounts frozen is the least of his worries.

Why do you think the government doesn't have balls to do the same to Fox News, CNN, NYT, WP, BBC and every other major media outlet that has published any of the information that Assange released? Probably because no one would let them get away with it, but it's pretty easy to demonize one lone guy...

[semperfi122]

wikileaks is non for profit champ

My point isn't that wikileaks is non profit or not. My point is he is clearly in it for his image.

[NKWulf]

btw...dont you think that the US Government can do better then those type of charges....really...

a government that is accused of faking the moon landing, JFK assassiantion, 9/11, etc....

why not set him up as a terrorist? but a weak "rape" case....really...give us more credit then that.

[BlueFenix13S]

Why do you think the government doesn't have balls to do the same to Fox News, CNN, NYT, WP, BBC and every other major media outlet that has published any of the information that Assange released? Probably because no one would let them get away with it, but it's pretty easy to demonize one loan guy...

I am not saying it's right, the OP quoted a senator who said he should suffer the death penalty. The court could do that. Should they? No. I don't agree with all the law of the U.S., I'm just stating that the senator he quoted could legally push for it.

[Duckenheimer]

The f*ck? You can't commit treason against a country you're not a citizen of (srs) (wow strong laws)

Here's the actual law code:

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

[MaximusMiscimus]

But he's fighting extradition to Sweden. Not the U.S. And in any event, he committed treason/espionage w/e. He lost the game. There is NOTHING good that can come of releasing these documents other than to satisfy the curiosity of some internet nerds. Why support a guy who threatens to release info that could start wars, end alliances, and kill people? You sadistic, brah?

Nothing is true; everything is permitted.

However extreme these measures may have been to make our gov. translucent(at the very least), they were necessary. The means by which Assange reached his goal were ok because he knew that the US wouldn't hand out any of their corrupt dealings/mishaps on signed "Federal pounding in the ass prison" confession documents. Cui bono my good sir, who benefits?

[Y2X]

lol @ the person who posted it is treason, he isn't an american citizen nor does he reside in the us

[Duckenheimer]

I am not saying it's right, the OP quoted a senator who said he should suffer the death penalty. The court could do that. Should they? No. I don't agree with all the law of the U.S., I'm just stating that the senator he quoted could legally push for it.

The Senator was not talking about Julian Assange. He was talking about the American citizen who leaked the documents. You cannot legally push for treason against Assange in the U.S.

[BarUp]

But he's fighting extradition to Sweden. Not the U.S. And in any event, he committed treason/espionage w/e. He lost the game. There is NOTHING good that can come of releasing these documents other than to satisfy the curiosity of some internet nerds. Why support a guy who threatens to release info that could start wars, end alliances, and kill people? You sadistic, brah?

How about the fact that you have people in my gov feed you back door intel. Finding this out is good for us just not you.

[cphustla]

Nothing is true; everything is permitted.

However extreme these measures may have been to make our gov. translucent(at the very least), they were necessary. The means by which Assange reached his goal were ok because he knew that the US wouldn't hand out any of their corrupt dealings/mishaps on signed "Federal pounding in the ass prison" confession sheets. Cui bono my good sir, who benefits?

lol assasins creed quote gjdm

[lookingtogrow]

u mad your government is corrupt brah?

like any government in the world does not have corruption...

[BlueFenix13S]

Bank accounts closed! Website shutdown! Facing allegations of having sex without a condom (originally thrown out)! Geez, there must be some really juicy stuff in these wikileak documents. Must be a lot of powerful people exposed here?

BRB the KKK have access to VISA, mastercard but wikileaks doesnt because they've ticked off the the fat old white haired blokes in washington

BRB the innocent until proven guilty goes flying out window as soon as free speech is uttered in truth.... the land of the free my ass

Ill finish with a classic US republican senator's quote in regards to Julian Assange:

"anything less than execution is too kind a penalty" .....i dont even. FOR WHAT??!!

BRB death penalty for dispersing documents leaked 'by someone else'.

BRB death penalty for unsubstantiated rape claims from a women he had relations with and apparently boned on an occasion without wearing a condom when she asked him...... you got to be fcking kidding me. Sounds like a crazy eyed ex-bish using the US vendetta as an excuse for grade A revenge to me.

Referencing his post, he is saying the quote was about Assange.

[BrentonJ]

Referencing his post, he is saying the quote was about Assange.

that's second hand admittedly... is it not in regards to assange personally? If not ill fix op

[MaximusMiscimus]

Here's the actual law code:

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

So are you suggesting that in...

"Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere"

this means that owing allegiance and levying war are mutually exclusive to eachother? That one can levy war without owing allegiance and be charged with treason?


Lettuce be reality, is Assange a US citizen?

[Bials14]

Treason involves the betrayal of allegiance to the United States, a person does not need to be a U.S. citizen to commit treason under the Constitution. Persons who owe temporary allegiance to the United States can commit treason. Non-citizens who are residing United States can commit traitorous acts during the period of their residence. A subversive act does not need to occur on U.S. soil to be punishable as treason.

wtf are you talking about .. hes not american.. what don't you understand












brb

[liftyeah]

like any government in the world does not have corruption...

Scandinavian countries have the least

[UNC_Bball]

I'm so calling dibbs on the movie rights to this.

brb future millionaire

[xOdin]

People are allowed rights only when its convinent. Why allow this man his rights when he cost others theirs. Same concept with prisoners. He is a threat to society and is thusly being treated as such.

[BlueFenix13S]

wtf are you talking about .. hes not american.. what don't you understand

His data resided at one point in the US on Amazon's servers. Under a loose interpretation, that establishes temporary allegiance to the U.S. Again, I am not saying this is right. I am saying that, under a loose, thought unjust interpretation, the US could try him on the charge.

[ev3]

My point isn't that wikileaks is non profit or not. My point is he is clearly in it for his image.

You'd be saying that towards whoever was the spokes person for Wikileaks.

[cphustla]

People are allowed rights only when its convinent. Why allow this man his rights when he cost others theirs. Same concept with prisoners. He is a threat to society and is thusly being treated as such.

...........

[oneplanet]

brb who shot biggie

I did

[ev3]

like any government in the world does not have corruption...

So let's just go with the flow? Or actually expose this bull****?

[BrentonJ]

People are allowed rights only when its convinent. Why allow this man his rights when he cost others theirs. Same concept with prisoners. He is a threat to society and is thusly being treated as such.

this is all that is wrong with the world, and this event is highlighting it. There are so many things wrong with that statement champ. The point is that the rights of a citizen should 'never' be taken away unless proven guilty of a crime under the laws of that nation. He has been proven guilty of no crimes.

[BlueFenix13S]

that is all that wrong with the world that this event is highlighting. There are so many things wrong with that statement champ. The point is that the rights of a citizen whould 'never' be taken away

I agree. I love my country, but some of the things the government does, I do not agree with. I for one do not support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan even though I am in the military. I do not support the gun control laws being proposed, or some of the tax laws being pushed.

[kneeonbelly]

The soldier that leaked the files is guilty of treason. That is all.

[BarUp]

People are allowed rights only when its convinent. Why allow this man his rights when he cost others theirs. Same concept with prisoners. He is a threat to society and is thusly being treated as such.

LOL bet you would be screaming like a biatch if someone took away your rights.

I thought that was part of what we were fighting for.

[cphustla]

I agree. I love my country, but some of the things the government does, I do not agree with. I for one do not support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan even though I am in the military. I do not support the gun control laws being proposed, or some of the tax laws being pushed.

then why not support wikileaks?

[BarUp]

I'm so calling dibbs on the movie rights to this.

brb future millionaire

Dont know if it poss to secure them but if it is then this^^^^^