Just LOL at Trump's New Healthcare EO

[PlanoLifter]

You mean let down nice and soft their fall broken by a nice big pile of cash... but yeah

Yup. Their fall cushioned by the proverbial golden parachute.

[PlanoLifter]

The new CEO is trying to fix these issues but it's like the board of directors (congress) won't allow the new CEO to change course from the failed ways of the past.

We will have to agree to differ. IMO the the new CEO is incapable of making deals with anyone who doesn't want to suck his dik.

[JUSA]

Wasn't he supposed to be the shining savior deal maker? Too busy tweeting about the ****ing NFL and pulling aid from Puerto Rico to actually do his job. Posting prices on the ****ing door shouldn't be that hard to get both sides of the aisle behind.

Anyone who knew the GOP knew better, as I did. I said the next big battle he was going to have would be with the GOP, they're almost entirely corporate whores. I've been saying for eons that they will never end Obamacare, they love it because they could run against it but had no intention of actually doing anything.

It's interesting to me to see people who have been so critical of the GOP excuse them in during this, to put blame on Trump for not being able to work a deal with them. Nobody could, unless they only cared about special interests and big money donors. It's why Obama can work perfectly with them. Any establishment politician could.

[Trapstar4.4]

Lmao at all the cope in this thread. OMG trump cant fix obamas mess! This is like hiring a new CEO and getting mad he doesnt fix the bankruptcy the old CEO left...smh

How about obama and the democrats not get us in this mess in the first place?

dude you are getting smoked in this thread

no way you actually hold down a job. if you do, i guarantee that youre not very good at it. at least if it requires any sort of critical thinking

[rocketfish]

ITT: democrats admitting obamacare doesn't work

[sy2502]

Anyone who knew the GOP knew better, as I did. I said the next big battle he was going to have would be with the GOP, they're almost entirely corporate whores. I've been saying for eons that they will never end Obamacare, they love it because they could run against it but had no intention of actually doing anything.

It's interesting to me to see people who have been so critical of the GOP excuse them in during this, to put blame on Trump for not being able to work a deal with them. Nobody could, unless they only cared about special interests and big money donors. It's why Obama can work perfectly with them. Any establishment politician could.

Given public approval of Congress is currently at 10%, I don't think too many people are excusing them about anything.

[rise21]

What prices should be posted exactly? The price for a procedure at a hospital? That changes based on patient risk factors and if other procedures or medication is needed to perform the procedure.

[Renegade83]

What prices should be posted exactly? The price for a procedure at a hospital? That changes based on patient risk factors and if other procedures or medication is needed to perform the procedure.

There are hospitals already doing this. This isn't a foreign concept.

https://surgerycenterok.com/

[WestAfrica]

Who knew healthcare could be so easy!

[arn710]

Anyone who knew the GOP knew better, as I did. I said the next big battle he was going to have would be with the GOP, they're almost entirely corporate whores. I've been saying for eons that they will never end Obamacare, they love it because they could run against it but had no intention of actually doing anything.

It's interesting to me to see people who have been so critical of the GOP excuse them in during this, to put blame on Trump for not being able to work a deal with them. Nobody could, unless they only cared about special interests and big money donors. It's why Obama can work perfectly with them. Any establishment politician could.

I fully agree that Congress is useless

If Trump really had such a great plan like he claimed, he could rally the people to get behind it and force the hand of their legislatures. For all Obama's faults, he understood this and did what it took like many presidents before him.

I'm convinced Trump has zero plan and zero clue at this point. This is a really weak move. Hypocritical and I'm not even convinced he has the authority to do this.

[IH8RICE]

So what you expect him to do since the Senate and Congress won't work together?

Executive phucking order *******. Do you even read?

[mgftp]

Trump deserves his fair share of chit but LoL@ you ignorant fawks acting like getting the Right and Left to work together is so,e easy task.

[IH8RICE]

What prices should be posted exactly? The price for a procedure at a hospital? That changes based on patient risk factors and if other procedures or medication is needed to perform the procedure.

How hard would it be for you to enter your healthcare info and a price pop out on the other end? There’s a reason health cost are hidden.

[BruceJender]

Can we please just revoke obamacare and let the poor people die already?

[sy2502]

Can we please just revoke obamacare and let the poor people die already?

I can confirm that before Obamacare, the roads were strewn with the corpses of poor people left to die by the rich people that denied them medical help. Thank goodness for Obamacare!

[rise21]

How hard would it be for you to enter your healthcare info and a price pop out on the other end? There’s a reason health cost are hidden.

I get what you mean but you’re simplifying it. The price can vary greatly depending on risk factors, the doctor you are seeing, etc.

If I’m having orthopedic surgery but I have early onset osteoporosis the cost for my surgery would be much more than someone without the condition.

[AutistTrigger]

How about blaming the AMA for the USA not having readily accesssible health insurance? AMA voted against an ACA like program back in the 40's saying it would create too much work for the doctors.

[dyee4613]

I'm a little confused. Is the OP/Author upset about the EO that passed or upset about EO's that didn't pass? The entire article seems to just be about EOs he can make. Also, why does he say federal law and regulations like regulations aren't laws.

[moksha16]

Lmao at all the cope in this thread. OMG trump cant fix obamas mess! This is like hiring a new CEO and getting mad he doesnt fix the bankruptcy the old CEO left...smh

Isn't that reason you mental midgets brought in the new "ceo"


are you saying trump is a failure?


LOL

[Renegade83]

Negged.

Allowing people to buy insurance across state lines and allowing different types of plans to be created WILL lower costs.

Do you even economics you fukstein?

LOL at your neg, obviously you're too stupid to realize the reason why insurance COSTS so much are that the COSTS of HEALTHCARE are out of control.

For the cheap seats, hospitals are out there that do this, and they don't take insurance.. and guess what, it's drastically ****ing cheaper!

https://surgerycenterok.com/

[Renegade83]

I get what you mean but you’re simplifying it. The price can vary greatly depending on risk factors, the doctor you are seeing, etc.

If I’m having orthopedic surgery but I have early onset osteoporosis the cost for my surgery would be much more than someone without the condition.

There are doctors already out there who do post their prices on the door, which you've seemed to ignore or miss my post above yours.

https://surgerycenterok.com/

[dhawkeye1980]

Isn't that reason you mental midgets brought in the new "ceo"


are you saying trump is a failure?


LOL

Elohel if you havent realized by now ACA fukked us so bad there is no fix. Theres only the attempt to prolong it as long as possible before it utterly fails and 10s of millions lose healthcare when insurance companys go bankrupt. The best we can do is put bandaids on the hemmorage that is obamacare until it dies.

[mr_moto_civic]

Isn't that reason you mental midgets brought in the new "ceo"


are you saying trump is a failure?


LOL

[IH8RICE]

I get what you mean but you’re simplifying it. The price can vary greatly depending on risk factors, the doctor you are seeing, etc.

If I’m having orthopedic surgery but I have early onset osteoporosis the cost for my surgery would be much more than someone without the condition.

This is the point I’m making. There are people who can make it as simple as I’m suggesting. Even a ballpark figure would be better than what’s offered now.

[rise21]

There are doctors already out there who do post their prices on the door, which you've seemed to ignore or miss my post above yours.

https://surgerycenterok.com/

So that doctor will charge you the same for surgery even if you are a high-risk candidate or have existing conditions that make the surgery more difficult?

[lkm373]

How about actually putting in the time and effort to persuade them to make a deal? He hasnt done sh*t.

The crazy thing is fukking moron Trump has spent more time and come up with more cunning ideas for kneeling football players than he ever did for repeal and replace

[Renegade83]

So that doctor will charge you the same for surgery even if you are a high-risk candidate or have existing conditions that make the surgery more difficult?

Yep :

https://surgerycenterok.com/pricing-disclaimer/

This price information will be provided prior to surgery but subsequent to the surgical consultation. Our experienced surgical staff knows with almost certainty what will be needed to complete your surgery and this hardware or implants will be provided to you at invoice cost without any markup whatsoever. Copies of the invoices will be provided to you.

[Renegade83]

holy fuk at how this buffoon can't grasp the fact that competition brings the prices down.

Buffoon. Just LOL.

What more expensive to insure, a Lamborghini or a Hyundai? Weird how the price of the object insured directly effects the cost of the insurance.

[katya422]

What prices should be posted exactly? The price for a procedure at a hospital? That changes based on patient risk factors and if other procedures or medication is needed to perform the procedure.

You are pointlessly trying to defend a poor business practice here.

Yes, the price may change based on variables, however that doesn't mean that no up front pricing is possible.

I promise that if you want to have some type of elective surgery (maybe you want new perky boobs) that you can get an up front price quote. The surgeon will likely make that quote based on the price of the implant and the expected length of time for the surgery.

For most procedures the amount of time needed isn't going to vary that significantly.

And if you are talking about something like a surgery vs. a sonogram the hospital should be able to give an estimate with rates for various factors:

$XXX per hour for OR time
$XXX per hour for surgeon
$XXX for anesthesia

There is absolutely no real excuse for expecting patients to just hand over a blank check for their care.

ETA: Denninger is actually known as a Libertarian and I think he is right about the government choosing to excuse the medical industry from following established laws.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Denninger

[PeaceWithin]

Please point out where he is wrong. Tip : He's not.

"You could, via Executive Order, direct the FTC to go after medical providers of all stripes for refusing to publish prices, declaring such an action to be a deceptive practice and thus in violation of Federal Law and Regulation. Every single business we deal with daily, with the exception of health care, posts prices and thus allows us to shop before we buy."

Lol. Medical providers are getting the shaft by insurance companies as well. Just LOL if this guy doesn't think the insurance companies are the number one undisputed issue with our broken healthcare system....

At some point we started equating healthcare and insurance, and that is where we screwed up.


Edit: BRB, publishing a price but with no way to know what insurance will or will not cover for final approval. Lol. Plastic surgery and a few other areas are the only straightforward priced areas. The rest get wrung through the insurance just like we do.