If you self diagnose instead of seeing a doctor you might actually be retarded

[420Layers]

Still need to see a professional and have diagnosis and your doctor will outline a path to take from there.


Than you need to find a new doctor.

Also I'd rather someone knew what they were doing but not caring about me personally than someone not knowing anything that cares

Doctors are just going to prescribe SSRIs or Benzos and that's it.

All that most doctors are useful these days is saying "ok, you have the viral version of x, or it's an infection/disease/whatever. Is it viral? Chicken soup and tylenol (**** tylenol tho). Is it infectious/disease/inflammation? Take x pills for x amount of time."

[BadAtThis]

It triggers me to no end when people deify doctors or scientists.

They are humans with limitations just like anyone else *******. Most of them aren't even that capable or effective. Nor care or take their profession that seriously. its just a role people play for income and identity. Anyone can be that role if they go through the programs. Some are worse some are better.

Everything they learn is public knowledge on Google.

Nice strawman argument there.

i can't stand people like you and the rest of the traded in this thread that demonise health care professionals. It's aggrogant and is outright idiocy.

you honestly think that the average person is just as capable to make a diagnosis as a doctor? Lol... Jesus Christ, The level of retardation from some of you is astounding.

[trapper08]

I don't need a doctor to tell me I have DOMS from getting gains in the gym

Dont need no doc trying to steal hard earned gains

[trapper08]

Nice strawman argument there.

i can't stand people like you and the rest of the traded in this thread that demonise health care professionals. It's aggrogant and is outright idiocy.

you honestly think that the average person is just as capable to make a diagnosis as a doctor? Lol... Jesus Christ, The level of retardation from some of you is astounding.

Nice cope *******

[dxw]

Interesting perspectives from the outside looking in

[BadAtThis]

Doctors are just going to prescribe SSRIs or Benzos and that's it.

All that most doctors are useful these days is saying "ok, you have the viral version of x, or it's an infection/disease/whatever. Is it viral? Chicken soup and tylenol (**** tylenol tho). Is it infectious/disease/inflammation? Take x pills for x amount of time."

How ****ed up is the American health care system for a doctor to prescribe solely benzos and SSRIs lol.

But who was mental health care plan?

I'm starting wonder if all this animosity on this forum to doctors is purely because of the dumpster fire that appears to be the American health system

[AndYUKnowThis]

Nice strawman argument there.

i can't stand people like you and the rest of the traded in this thread that demonise health care professionals. It's aggrogant and is outright idiocy.

you honestly think that the average person is just as capable to make a diagnosis as a doctor? Lol... Jesus Christ, The level of retardation from some of you is astounding.

Not every average person, but I think some people are capable of diagnosis, atleast the lesser serious problems. There are people living in 3rd countries that are healthier than us

[cardioman_23]

I've seen a lot of posts on this board of people self diagnosing themselves. You're not a doctor, you didn't study night and day for years at med school. Your local GP is far more qualified to make a diagnosis than you are. Most of the time people are completely wrong. I've had people try and convince me their tinea is cancer.

It's modern natural selection at its finest

lol @ op thinking a random stranger knows you and your chronic symptoms better than you know yourself

[seanb1979]

i had 3 doctors in a row fail to diagnose me properly despite the fact that my research indicated one particular issue.. its almost as if they stayed away from what i found on purpose and just wanted to be right over me... luckily i have a friend whos a doctor in another field and was able to get the meds i needed.. most doctors just dont give a ****, want a quick paycheck, and want you to be wrong and them to be right so they can feel superior

[seanb1979]

Don't be a troll.

The best thing to do is research the symptoms and read forums where people had the same symptoms. From there you then go to the Doctor telling them your symptoms. They'll give suggestions on what can be done and you can choose from those options or you can provide what you read from different forums. You can't expect a doctor to solve everything, sure they can, but it can take longer. It's better to read your body, get advice from people with the same symptoms and then work with the doctor to get to the bottom of the problem. It's much faster​ and efficient instead of acting like a dumbass and taking some random pills

ive found if you do this they will stay as far away from your conclusion as possible

[LeakyQuesadilla]

Would honestly love to see the look on a gastros face if you walked in and said "hey google told me I have Ulcerative ****tis because I got some abdominalpains can you give me some immunosuppressants and prednisone."

Morons like you are why certain countries have rules about needing a doctor referral before seeing a specialist. So you don't waste their time or take up spots for people that actually need treatment from one

keep making up imaginary scenarios that i never even suggested or hinted you dumb *******.

P.S. google > gp *******

[KingSWRV]

Nice strawman argument there.

i can't stand people like you and the rest of the traded in this thread that demonise health care professionals. It's aggrogant and is outright idiocy.

you honestly think that the average person is just as capable to make a diagnosis as a doctor? Lol... Jesus Christ, The level of retardation from some of you is astounding.

People who think like this are just trolling hard.

The ego of it, like as if they are smart enough to tell people how dumb they are for thinking they are smart.

Your conceptualization of this concept is so outdated you know that??!

Maybe 20 years ago this was true but now with the internet and science where it is now its totally misguided and retarded advice.

I seriously can't stand people like that.

Don't tell me what I know and don't know.

[LaCosaNostra90]

my Doc doesnt know ****. She looks up symptoms that link her directly to medications then she just prescribes it. All she is an intermediary between myself and the drug companies.

[G-Profit]

What about asking the misc doctors first? This place sometimes gives great advice.

Pls respond misc doctors willing to help for reps

[300BLK]

Nice strawman argument there.

i can't stand people like you and the rest of the traded in this thread that demonise health care professionals. It's aggrogant and is outright idiocy.

you honestly think that the average person is just as capable to make a diagnosis as a doctor? Lol... Jesus Christ, The level of retardation from some of you is astounding.

I remember one time I ended up overdosing on my medication by a pill or two because I didn't remember if I took it or not, and I ended up having severe muscle spasms that got me sent to the hospital, and they had me in the waiting room for hours, all night till dawn until I was seen. I literally had to keep getting up and begging them to help me, and as they saw how bad it was getting, they finally decided to attend to me, and it turns out all I need it was a shot of benadryl to counteract the effects. All that waiting, just for something I could have done at home.

If you are ignorant or have something that can only be treated by a health care professional, then go see a doctor. If you have treatable ailments and know how to do proper research, do it yourself. Many doctors and physicians can be incompetent. We are telling you this from our own experience. The story I just told you is only one example.

[MakeABanana]

Self-diagnosis is subject to personal bias. But we all do it to some capacity. Even I do it sometimes because I don't want to bother losing time out of my day to see a doctor. If you've been an otherwise healthy person, you may think a new symptom might be something transient and will go away soon ... because you're healthy. You'll lean on biases to support an assessment that says you're okay.

But if you are worrying about certain symptoms, please see a doctor and don't rely on Google. Laypeople are not going to be knowledgeable about generating a differential diagnosis and rank which diagnoses are most likely and which ones aren't.

"A physician who treats himself has a fool for a patient." - Sir William Osler

It doesn't mean you shouldn't read anything on the Internet. In fact, that may provide you good questions to ask your doctor.

I'm starting wonder if all this animosity on this forum to doctors is purely because of the dumpster fire that appears to be the American health system

It definitely is a dumpster fire. I say this as a doctor myself. The American health system is all sorts of ****ed up with administrators jostling doctors and dictating the practice of medicine (which administrators know ****-all about) in order to line their own and the higher-ups' pockets.

When primary care physicians are whipped like horses to churn out as many patients as possible and deal with the nightmarish amount of paperwork, time between physician and patient becomes rushed. Not all of a patient's concerns can be addressed if an administrator is going to hound you for being too slow. 10-15 minutes tops and you gotta get the hell on to the next task. Primary care is only worth going into (for your own sanity) if you can run your own practice and be your own boss so you can spend more time with your patients.

[FixFox]

Nice strawman argument there.

i can't stand people like you and the rest of the traded in this thread that demonise health care professionals. It's aggrogant and is outright idiocy.

you honestly think that the average person is just as capable to make a diagnosis as a doctor? Lol... Jesus Christ, The level of retardation from some of you is astounding.

Don't bother (srs). They've already made up their mind and no convincing will change their opinions. I never bother anymore and I'm not even a doctor.

[PeteJonesHTX]

I had a gastroenterologist once treat me for acid reflux/gastritis. He told me that I could eat all the acidic foods I wanted, that it wouldn't exacerbate my condition. Cancelled all future appointments with him right after that.

[BadAtThis]

I remember one time I ended up overdosing on my medication by a pill or two because I didn't remember if I took it or not, and I ended up having severe muscle spasms that got me sent to the hospital, and they had me in the waiting room for hours, all night till dawn until I was seen. I literally had to keep getting up and begging them to help me, and as they saw how bad it was getting, they finally decided to attend to me, and it turns out all I need it was a shot of benadryl to counteract the effects. All that waiting, just for something I could have done at home.

If you are ignorant or have something that can only be treated by a health care professional, then go see a doctor. If you have treatable ailments and know how to do proper research, do it yourself. Many doctors and physicians can be incompetent. We are telling you this from our own experience. The story I just told you is only one example.

you're arguing something completely different. Your issue is with the state of your countries hospital system. It has nothing to do with incompetence on their part. ERs weight patients on symptoms. Clearly yours werent serious enough to be warrented to be seen quickly, theres only a limited amount of beds (although a lot of ERs have a fast track unit). Minor Muscle spasms arent indicative of a medical emergancy

Remember ERs are for medical emergancies NOT to be used as a substitute for a GP.

[PeteJonesHTX]

my Doc doesnt know ****. She looks up symptoms that link her directly to medications then she just prescribes it. All she is an intermediary between myself and the drug companies.

My dermatologist is the same way. When she put me on finasteride she had to do a google search to become familiar first lol. But she's pretty cute and I want to bang srs.

[BadAtThis]

Don't be a troll.

The best thing to do is research the symptoms and read forums where people had the same symptoms. From there you then go to the Doctor telling them your symptoms. They'll give suggestions on what can be done and you can choose from those options or you can provide what you read from different forums. You can't expect a doctor to solve everything, sure they can, but it can take longer. It's better to read your body, get advice from people with the same symptoms and then work with the doctor to get to the bottom of the problem. It's much faster​ and efficient instead of acting like a dumbass and taking some random pills

How is that a troll? You literally said the internet has all the tools you need. I clearly pointed out that it doesn't and you called me a troll? Stong argument bud.

[wasp9166]

more drs have fkd me up in my life than not going

fact

[katya422]

The best thing to do is research the symptoms and read forums where people had the same symptoms. From there you then go to the Doctor telling them your symptoms. They'll give suggestions on what can be done and you can choose from those options or you can provide what you read from different forums. You can't expect a doctor to solve everything, sure they can, but it can take longer. It's better to read your body, get advice from people with the same symptoms and then work with the doctor to get to the bottom of the problem. It's much faster​ and efficient instead of acting like a dumbass and taking some random pills

^^^
This.

I have a good GP. It is hard to get in to see her.

Being able to go in and say "I have X symptoms and I think it may be X or X" speeds up the process IME.

And, yes, lots of common things that can be treated w/OTC medication can be self diagnosed; more as you get older and have more experience.

[HoustonMiscer]

I have glaucoma

My condition fuks up my peripheral
When I walk in they just see the minerals
Went to Costa Rica, drank an Imperial
I'm not high but I'm a real fly individual

[BadAtThis]

^^^
This.

I have a good GP. It is hard to get in to see her.

Being able to go in and say "I have X symptoms and I think it may be X or X" speeds up the process IME.

And, yes, lots of common things that can be treated w/OTC medication can be self diagnosed; more as you get older and have more experience.

Did no one read the title of the thread?

"If you self diagnose instead of seeing a doctor"

Furthermore age and experience does not equate to correct judgement and honestly sounds just like stereotypical pompous middle age talk

[swoleyo]

Antibiotics are over used and hence why he probably didn't want you take them and would of preferred just to pull the thing out. You shouldn't take antibiotics unless you absolutely have too



What is with people on this forum arguing by using extremes. Holy **** that's your best argument? Of course I'm not talking about a common ****ing cold you wanker

Brb spend 3k+ vs 22 in antibiotics. **** him

[Love-Feet]

Just like they prescribed opiates to everyones and created millions of addicts, such genius

[portamoral]

You know absolutely nothing nothing about SSRIs and you're proving my point even further by thinking there is only way to treat and manage depression.

Nothing infuriates me more than what the general public thinks of SSRIs. Do you honestly think they'd keep being prescribed and people keep willingly taking them if they did nothing and led to suicidal thoughts? They're the most prescribed drugs on the planet for a reason. They are safe and they work

false and false

but whatever you say doc

and by doc i mean never my doc u fukn fgt

[KingSWRV]

Did no one read the title of the thread?

"If you self diagnose instead of seeing a doctor"

Furthermore age and experience does not equate to correct judgement and honestly sounds just like stereotypical pompous middle age talk

Thats a retarded blanket statement.

Some ailments can be self diagnosed some can't.

To say that EVERYTHING should be taken to a doctor is paranoia.

[Rayzor84]

Actual Depression still requires medical treatment from a trained professional.

Everyone claims to have depression when in reality most of them are just having a bad few weeks and what they're feeling are normal human emotions.

Real clinical depression is far more complex and serious and requires medical intervention

As someone who suffered with real diagnosed and medically supervised depression for many years, I always lol at self diagnoses of this. Someone who is sad over circumstances for a bit is far different than someone who falls into real, chronic depression for no apparent reason.

Also you're off base on SSRIs hardcore, you need to do your homework. This is from a medical student and half a lifetime of usage and research into them.