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    noted and saved!!!

    so what's your opinion on my following long term patters
    -cut in this challenge
    -slow bulk on SS
    -move to a novice strength routine or go all pro

    any thoughts for a tall bro looking to get his big 3 and 5 numbers up while staying lean(ish)
    I'd recommend a program that focuses on increasing your big lift numbers! I'm doing 5/3/1 and LOVE it for that very reason. Big 3 are obv squat, dead and bench. What are the other 2? OHPs and cleans?

    If so, check out 5/3/1...detailed progression for ALL 5 of those lifts is all part of the program (though I don't do the cleans at the moment)
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    Originally Posted by JaxLifter View Post
    I'd recommend a program that focuses on increasing your big lift numbers! I'm doing 5/3/1 and LOVE it for that very reason. Big 3 are obv squat, dead and bench. What are the other 2? OHPs and cleans?

    If so, check out 5/3/1...detailed progression for ALL 5 of those lifts is all part of the program (though I don't do the cleans at the moment)
    OHP and rows, although I like cleans better anyway.
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    I think the classic definition I the big 5 is

    Dead
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    However, I was reading an article that tried to blend in the oly lifts to create a "super seven" routine, let me look around and see what I can find.
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    Today

    Took bb.com aminos, C4, NO3 and went for it.

    Workout C:

    Squat 9 @ 190
    Bench 9 @ 115

    Squat 9 @ 190
    Bench 9 @ 115

    Squat 9 @ 190
    Bench 9 @ 115

    Squat 9 @ 190
    Bench 9 @ 115

    Power Cleans

    2 @ 135
    2 @ 135
    2 @ 145
    2 @ 155
    2 @ 155
    2 fails at 165

    Not getting quarter squat right. Otherwise good.



    deadlifts 5 @275
    OHP 9 @ 75

    deadlifts 5 @275
    OHP 9 @ 75

    deadlift 1@ 295

    felt really good, tried to HULK SMASH my PR by 10%, unsuccessfully

    deadlift 0/3 attempts at 365 - could move it, but barely

    Pendlay Rows 9 @ 95
    Lateral DB raise 10 @ 10

    Pendlay Rows 9 @ 95
    Lateral DB raise 10 @ 10

    Extra left shoulder work to strengthen rotator

    Pendlay Rows 9 @ 105
    Lateral DB raise 10 @ 10

    All weights increasing next cycle. I could probably jump a bit higher on squat, but I am going to be conservative.

    Final Macros:

    Calories 2,155
    Carbs 86
    Fiber 20
    Net 66 (same deal with ANSI bar, sugar alcohols are included, worst case scenario.)
    Fat 108
    Protein 183
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    Dang bro, beastly lift session!!!
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    Originally Posted by Cowmustard View Post
    Dang bro, beastly lift session!!!
    Thanks man, looking forward to lower rep work near future.


    In other news:
    I have concluded that I officially pulled my groin(both sides) and need about 2 weeks before more HIIT training. Will not be as intense, yet. I went out and started today and immediately had a flare up in both sides. They usually say 2 weeks is good for healing that, so I am going to forgo HIIT training until then. I was lifting with minimal pain from first HIIT session, so I am going to continue that if I am able.

    Not happy.
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    Originally Posted by Grifts View Post
    Thanks man, looking forward to lower rep work near future.


    In other news:
    I have concluded that I officially pulled my groin(both sides) and need about 2 weeks before more HIIT training. Will not be as intense, yet. I went out and started today and immediately had a flare up in both sides. They usually say 2 weeks is good for healing that, so I am going to forgo HIIT training until then. I was lifting with minimal pain from first HIIT session, so I am going to continue that if I am able.

    Not happy.
    sucks bro!!! might have to roll low intensity cardio for a bit, just gotta roll through it BRO!!!
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    Originally Posted by Cowmustard View Post
    sucks bro!!! might have to roll low intensity cardio for a bit, just gotta roll through it BRO!!!
    I don't think any cardio other than walking is going to work for the time being.

    Calories 2,205
    Carbs 36
    Fiber 11
    Net 25
    Fat 113
    Protein 233

    I may have a protein shake later on. All out of casein, but I have a good amount of whey left. Deciding what kind of casein to get.
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    Originally Posted by Grifts View Post
    Today

    Took bb.com aminos, C4, NO3 and went for it.

    Workout C:

    Squat 9 @ 190
    Bench 9 @ 115

    Squat 9 @ 190
    Bench 9 @ 115

    Squat 9 @ 190
    Bench 9 @ 115

    Squat 9 @ 190
    Bench 9 @ 115

    Power Cleans

    2 @ 135
    2 @ 135
    2 @ 145
    2 @ 155
    2 @ 155
    2 fails at 165

    Not getting quarter squat right. Otherwise good.



    deadlifts 5 @275
    OHP 9 @ 75

    deadlifts 5 @275
    OHP 9 @ 75

    deadlift 1@ 295

    felt really good, tried to HULK SMASH my PR by 10%, unsuccessfully

    deadlift 0/3 attempts at 365 - could move it, but barely

    Pendlay Rows 9 @ 95
    Lateral DB raise 10 @ 10

    Pendlay Rows 9 @ 95
    Lateral DB raise 10 @ 10

    Extra left shoulder work to strengthen rotator

    Pendlay Rows 9 @ 105
    Lateral DB raise 10 @ 10

    All weights increasing next cycle. I could probably jump a bit higher on squat, but I am going to be conservative.

    Final Macros:

    Calories 2,155
    Carbs 86
    Fiber 20
    Net 66 (same deal with ANSI bar, sugar alcohols are included, worst case scenario.)
    Fat 108
    Protein 183
    Awesome workout! Loving that deadlift@295lb. It's time for me to be a bit more conservative as well. I'll be doing a weight reset starting tomorrow. Don't want to get myself stuck too soon, so I might as well take my time. This is a marathon not a sprint.

    Hoping your groin injury recovers rapidly! Take it easy bro!
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    Originally Posted by jcpryor3 View Post
    Awesome workout! Loving that deadlift@295lb. It's time for me to be a bit more conservative as well. I'll be doing a weight reset starting tomorrow. Don't want to get myself stuck too soon, so I might as well take my time. This is a marathon not a sprint.

    Hoping your groin injury recovers rapidly! Take it easy bro!
    It seems to be doing better. I am going to give it a full 2 weeks before I attempt real cardio again though. I'm going to be taking in extra BCAAs for a bit. I'm not sure if they will help or not, but they are supposed to help with muscle recovery.

    I've found that deadlifts are much easier with a mixed grip.
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    Originally Posted by Grifts View Post
    It seems to be doing better. I am going to give it a full 2 weeks before I attempt real cardio again though. I'm going to be taking in extra BCAAs for a bit. I'm not sure if they will help or not, but they are supposed to help with muscle recovery.

    I've found that deadlifts are much easier with a mixed grip.
    Let me know if the bcaas help. Interested to find out.

    I'll have to give a mixed grip a try. The 260lb I dead lifted the other day was pretty intense, so hopefully this helps.
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    Originally Posted by jcpryor3 View Post
    Let me know if the bcaas help. Interested to find out.

    I'll have to give a mixed grip a try. The 260lb I dead lifted the other day was pretty intense, so hopefully this helps.
    Anything I report would be strictly anecdotal. It does seem less sore though.

    I did find this: http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/nutr...formance-40852

    Interesting reading.
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    Originally Posted by Grifts View Post
    Anything I report would be strictly anecdotal. It does seem less sore though.

    I did find this: http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/nutr...formance-40852

    Interesting reading.
    Fair enough.

    Interesting read. Really wanna know if the BCAA's help with your recovery. I'll wait for you to report back
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    Originally Posted by jcpryor3 View Post
    Fair enough.

    Interesting read. Really wanna know if the BCAA's help with your recovery. I'll wait for you to report back
    Yeah, I hope they do too. I definitely feel better today vs yesterday. If I move my leg just right, I can get pains still, but it is mostly just uncomfortable now.

    Boring rest day today. Fasted until about 1300. Protein was a little lower than I would have liked.

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    Yeah, I hope they do too. I definitely feel better today vs yesterday. If I move my leg just right, I can get pains still, but it is mostly just uncomfortable now.

    Boring rest day today. Fasted until about 1300. Protein was a little lower than I would have liked.

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    After doing my workout today, I did some bw tabatas and my right knee was in a little pain when I was doing speed squats. Pushed through it after adjusting stance a little bit. Seemed to help for the most part. Keep me posted though bro!
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    Will be having dat dere glycobol post workout with a few carbs and during carb ups.
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    What's the glycobol do?
    Glycobol is a nutrient partioner. Basically, it helps you absorb carbs and sugars better by making you more sensitive to insulin. Meaning? Carbs will fill your muscles but not get stored as fat easily.

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    Will be having dat dere glycobol post workout with a few carbs and during carb ups.
    Jelly of that stash bro!!! I need to up my supps eventually.
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    Jelly of that stash bro!!! I need to up my supps eventually.
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    Overall unhappy with today. Very busy at work, couldn't get enough food in during my eating window. Now I have to drink lots of protein (which isn't bad, per se) but I would like to have it spread out some through the day a bit more. I wasn't hungry though, so there is that.

    By the end of my workday, I was getting amped up a bit, ready to hit the weights. Unfortunately, groin pull limited everything tremendously. I could barely go parallel with squats. Some of them I wouldn't even call complete squats. But I did them. Got ready for deadlifts, went for initial pull, and I knew it just wasn't meant to be, so I quit that. At least I got some power cleaning and rowing in.

    Hopefully next few days will be better. I might just repeat the 5 rep week again, just because I want to do it right.

    Wife says I should just give up running, because I end up injuring myself one way or another no matter what. I have a bike that I can get fixed. Maybe get some sort of punching bag.

    Anyway, pre-workout I too NeoVar and Glycobol with 2 servings dreamfields pasta, a sausage, and tomato sauce. Having more NeoVar afterwards. If Dreamfields works as it claims, about 25 grams carbs peri-workout. If not about 114 grams. I'm guessing it might be somewhere in between. Either way, I will be pretty far below my goal calories, so meh. Felt a bit bigger than normal after workout, but wife says she can't tell anything.

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    Originally Posted by Cdt_Richards View Post
    Glycobol is a nutrient partioner. Basically, it helps you absorb carbs and sugars better by making you more sensitive to insulin. Meaning? Carbs will fill your muscles but not get stored as fat easily.

    Great product, and i an more than honored to have helped even just this little bit on the journey!!!
    Great info my dude! Sounds like a great product, especially for carb up days/meals. I'll have to give a try one of these days. The help is greatly appreciated!
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    If you are willing to log/review stuff honestly, there are some great opportunities available in the supplement/company promotion forum
    Just discovered this myself. Got a fat burner stack on the way. Excited to log my first stack!
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    Originally Posted by Grifts View Post
    Overall unhappy with today. Very busy at work, couldn't get enough food in during my eating window. Now I have to drink lots of protein (which isn't bad, per se) but I would like to have it spread out some through the day a bit more. I wasn't hungry though, so there is that.

    By the end of my workday, I was getting amped up a bit, ready to hit the weights. Unfortunately, groin pull limited everything tremendously. I could barely go parallel with squats. Some of them I wouldn't even call complete squats. But I did them. Got ready for deadlifts, went for initial pull, and I knew it just wasn't meant to be, so I quit that. At least I got some power cleaning and rowing in.

    Hopefully next few days will be better. I might just repeat the 5 rep week again, just because I want to do it right.

    Wife says I should just give up running, because I end up injuring myself one way or another no matter what. I have a bike that I can get fixed. Maybe get some sort of punching bag.

    Anyway, pre-workout I too NeoVar and Glycobol with 2 servings dreamfields pasta, a sausage, and tomato sauce. Having more NeoVar afterwards. If Dreamfields works as it claims, about 25 grams carbs peri-workout. If not about 114 grams. I'm guessing it might be somewhere in between. Either way, I will be pretty far below my goal calories, so meh. Felt a bit bigger than normal after workout, but wife says she can't tell anything.

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    Deadlift - aborted

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    Pendlay Row 5 @ 125
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    Pendlay Row 5 @ 125
    Bent over lateral 10 @ 10/side

    Calories 1,663
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    Net 104 possibly much less if dreamfields works as intended
    Fat 64
    Protein 153
    I've been in the same boat these past few days. We just gotta suck it up and get it done the following day. One day won't hurt you, but I understand what you mean. It sucks knowing that you didn't meet your macros. It gets better though. We just gotta keep pushing my dude!

    Maybe riding your bike would be a good idea. Give it a try and see how it is.
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    Do you stretch before and after running? I find my recovery time is much less if I make sure I stretch atleast post run, and make sure the first 5-20 mins of running is relatively light.

    Do you have a quality pair of shoes you've worn in? They help too obviously. Know that feel with groin strains.
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    Originally Posted by Timbarism View Post
    Do you stretch before and after running? I find my recovery time is much less if I make sure I stretch atleast post run, and make sure the first 5-20 mins of running is relatively light.

    Do you have a quality pair of shoes you've worn in? They help too obviously. Know that feel with groin strains.
    I try and run HIIT on softer surfaces too, roads make my legs tighter than usual doing sprints.
    I walked a bit, a little bit of stretching. I'm using vibram fivefingers. I've been wearing them on and off for a couple weeks, but I liked being barefoot most of the time anyway.

    After the short warm-up I went right into sprinting. I'll have to find a softer surface. There is a park not too far from my house I could go to.

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    How do you find the Vibrams? I bought a pair of barefoots to try out, but I never really gave them a chance. If your legs haven't built up over a long time with the same style of running, which I feel is pretty different between traditional runners and barefoot running, I think you can become prone to injury with high intensity running.

    Yeah, maybe trying a light jog to the park and then getting into HIIT when you get there would help. I HATE doing laps of a park though, so I understand if it sounds lame haha. I've got loads of choice for scenery around me. If im doing a 20k, I have the choice of river or beach usually in pretty nice (read: safer) areas.
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    Originally Posted by Timbarism View Post
    How do you find the Vibrams? I bought a pair of barefoots to try out, but I never really gave them a chance. If your legs haven't built up over a long time with the same style of running, which I feel is pretty different between traditional runners and barefoot running, I think you can become prone to injury with high intensity running.

    Yeah, maybe trying a light jog to the park and then getting into HIIT when you get there would help. I HATE doing laps of a park though, so I understand if it sounds lame haha. I've got loads of choice for scenery around me. If im doing a 20k, I have the choice of river or beach usually in pretty nice (read: safer) areas.
    I bought Vibrams because the running shoes (New Balance IIRC) I was using gave me horrible shin splints after 2 jogs. No shin splints with the vibrams, so happy with that. I would venture that the groin pulls are more from not being conditioned to run and that once they heal, I will really enjoy them. I never ran/jogged regularly, so I never learned any style of running(heel/mid/forefoot striking)

    I like them. Once you get used to putting them on, they aren't such a pain. It took me about 5 minutes to put them on the first time, but now its just slightly slower than normal shoes most times.
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    I bought Vibrams because the running shoes (New Balance IIRC) I was using gave me horrible shin splints after 2 jogs. No shin splints with the vibrams, so happy with that. I would venture that the groin pulls are more from not being conditioned to run and that once they heal, I will really enjoy them. I never ran/jogged regularly, so I never learned any style of running(heel/mid/forefoot striking)
    Oh interesting. In my own experience, I normally only get shin splints when I get back into running from a break, but especially when running on roads.

    I run on my heel, and I've been running for around the last 4 years. Barefoots are for running on the forefoot?
    If you have any running events in your area, like a 5k, I'd highly recommend going for it. Always a great atmosphere and would be great to coincide with the challenge.

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    Overall unhappy with today.



    Wife says I should just give up running, because I end up injuring myself one way or another no matter what. I have a bike that I can get fixed. Maybe get some sort of punching bag.
    I hear that my bro-tato, saturday was not my best performance either, however, I love the idea of a heavy bag my man!!! Could also get agility ladders, jump rope, and a few other boxer tools and just make circuits to get that cal burn in.

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