I believe Henderson has a better shot than most people think....

[Clense]

^exactly^

I fully expect Jones to go for a take-down before the 3:30 mark in the first round, I actually see him shooting from the outside more often than Greco due to Henderson's Olympic level Greco-Roman

[Vayne]

Henderson takes this fight by arm bar.

[RoccoTanno123]

I agree it's almost certain to be a TKO stoppage than a "legit" KO. I just find it funny that (some) people are making this distinction now when nobody otherwise seems to particularly give a ****. Mir seemingly never gets knocked out cold for example.

[RoccoTanno123]

^exactly^

I fully expect Jones to go for a take-down before the 3:30 mark in the first round, I actually see him shooting from the outside more often than Greco due to Henderson's Olympic level Greco-Roman

He might. I think it's more likely his gameplan will be: stay on the outside, keep, Hendo at range mostly for the first couple of rounds (though if takedown opportunities are there then go for them), circle away from Hendo's power hand, and kick the crap out of Hendo's lead leg to give him a more pronounced movement advantage and also limit Hendo's ability to land the H-bomb.. After that, once Henderson slows down, I think he really looks to get the fight to the mat and put him away. If I had Jones' physical attributes and skills, I think that's how I would approach it, though I do think a guns blazing approach where you either drop him or take advantage when Hendo wobbles or stumbles and drag him to the mat could work too; it's riskier imo.

[Brian0602]

Out of curiosity, why are you so eager to see Jones show weakness?

Ehh I just like to see competitive fights.
It's not that I dislike Jones as a fighter (as a person, that's a whole different story), but I want to see a competitive 205lb division again.
If Hendo/Machida can't expose some weakness in Jones' game, he pretty much makes the 205 division look pathetic.
A division which many of us, before Jones busted in there, though was the most stacked division.
I just dislike the fact that Jones can make these guys who we all thought were the best in the world look like amateurs.
Its really amazing what he was able to accomplish over his last few fight without showing any major weaknesses.
Also, I'm a huge Machida fan

[LAWLER89]

If Hendo had the kind of gas tank and Greco skills he had in '05, this would be a very scary fight for JBJ. However, age and dwindling grappling will be his downfall.

[mmondo13]

You really don't think if Jones gets on top and starts raining down elbows, he can't get a stoppage? He hasn't done that strategy a ton lately...but he completely merked Vera, MAtyushenko, Hamill, etc. that way.

I didn't say a ref stoppage, I said a KO.

And come on bro, are you really mentioning Vera, Matyushenko, and Hamill in the same sentence as Henderson?

[ftwrestler]

He's going to eat a lot of shots regardless. Luckily, that's kinda what he's known for. He's not going to outwrestle Bones, and he's going to run right into the guillotine at some point (yes, I know he's a greco guy). On the feet Jones will outpoint him, but he could also put Jon to sleep.

You're coming at this wrong; Hendo ain't winning by decision.



But he didn't. A guy with incredible accuracy and 60% tko's on his record, CHOSE to go for the choke.

taken from soccer "play the way you face"

he basically gave silva the choke. why not take it?

[GigiloRatboy]

I won't be surprised to see a lot of the stuff you'll see Jones get away with other fighters not working against Henderson, Henderson may gas working for the takedown, but he's smarter than anyone else that's been in there with Jones.

[liuzhoudragon]

Bones has 100 ways to win. Hendo has 1.

Bendo will also gas it things go to championship round.....which will not be a problem for jones.

I understand when someone fights a super super dominate champ they like to hype the challenger up so it seems interesting. But even has a hendo fan.........he has a snowballs chance in hell.

[Clense]

Bones has 100 ways to win. Hendo has 1.

Bendo will also gas it things go to championship round.....which will not be a problem for jones.

I understand when someone fights a super super dominate champ they like to hype the challenger up so it seems interesting. But even has a hendo fan.........he has a snowballs chance in hell.

Henderson has a hell of a lot more than 1 way to win.

and Jones has quite a few ways less than that also.

Closer fight than people expect, by far

[RoccoTanno123]

Ehh I just like to see competitive fights.
It's not that I dislike Jones as a fighter (as a person, that's a whole different story), but I want to see a competitive 205lb division again.
If Hendo/Machida can't expose some weakness in Jones' game, he pretty much makes the 205 division look pathetic.
A division which many of us, before Jones busted in there, though was the most stacked division.
I just dislike the fact that Jones can make these guys who we all thought were the best in the world look like amateurs.
Its really amazing what he was able to accomplish over his last few fight without showing any major weaknesses.
Also, I'm a huge Machida fan

I'd have called LW (and still would) the most stacked division, but LHW is a quality division, even if it's somewhat top heavy.

Do you dislike Anderson and GSP? They've essentially done the same thing Jones has, just in somewhat different fashion, but the almost absurd level of dominance applies for all 3.

[RoccoTanno123]

And come on bro, are you really mentioning Vera, Matyushenko, and Hamill in the same sentence as Henderson?

In this one area, it's applicable. If you saw those finishes, you know they stop Dan too...the Matyushenko one in particular was ridiculous. Maybe Henderson takes more shots before caving, but we've seen Hendo work off his back and work at stopping GnP, he's not light years ahead of those dudes from a technical standpoint.

[KevinMK0831]

Hendo would be wise to not stand and trade with Jones.

Yup. The hardest hitter in MMA. Gooby please.

[MaximusPlatypus]

I'm not sure about the rest of you guys, but I personally believe Jones is more likely to gas if the grappling is anything close to even.

Jones was super unappealing physically before this camp, and yes he will show up in great shape but that doesn't make the first part of this statement false.



Henderson went 5 grueling rounds with Shogun, and attempted to finish him multiple times and still had the energy to not get finished, and still take the decision.

Jones is a different animal than Shogun yes, but Jones demolished Shogun from the start via flying knee and was still breathing heavy after the TKO (given it was his first championship fight, big stage) you have to weigh the facts.

I personally wasn't impressed with Jones against Rashad aside from the standing elbows (which Jones became obsessed with), and my personal opinion is Henderson would finish Rashad in at least 3/10 meetings (Henderson over Rashad in most that end in decisions too).

I just personally think over-all, Henderson is being over-looked skill wise.

His skills are as good, if not better than Jones....but he will have a bit of height, weight, age and length to make up for.

Pretty ridiculous post... jones is like a month of training and good eating from looking in shape again. Bad angle, his gut is loose, he's obviously bloated, and just a bit of extra fat on him.

If Hendo had the kind of gas tank and Greco skills he had in '05, this would be a very scary fight for JBJ. However, age and dwindling grappling will be his downfall.

And lack of reach, though Hendo is as good as anyone at getting inside and exploding

[MichaelScofield]

Its funny how most of you discount Hendo's wrestling ability. Did you forget that Dan Henderson is an Olympic Wrestler? He represented the US in 92 and 96

[Addthefun123123]

Its funny how most of you discount Hendo's wrestling ability. Did you forget that Dan Henderson is an Olympic Wrestler? He represented the US in 92 and 96

real impressive wrestling

[Brian0602]

I'd have called LW (and still would) the most stacked division, but LHW is a quality division, even if it's somewhat top heavy.

Do you dislike Anderson and GSP? They've essentially done the same thing Jones has, just in somewhat different fashion, but the almost absurd level of dominance applies for all 3.

Well, I'm a huge Anderson fan, so I love watching him dominate the division like he has.
GSP didn't exactly bust through the WW division like Jones has; GSP took a couple losses before truly dominating the division.
I loved watching him lose the belt to Serra, then tear through the division to get right back into title contention again.
I would love to see Jones get a loss, then go on a similar tear through the LHW division.

[HardGainer82]

Its funny how most of you discount Hendo's wrestling ability. Did you forget that Dan Henderson is an Olympic Wrestler? He represented the US in 92 and 96

Yeah. 10 years ago. Have you seen Hendo's MMA wrestling since then, and especially as of late?

[RoccoTanno123]

Its funny how most of you discount Hendo's wrestling ability. Did you forget that Dan Henderson is an Olympic Wrestler? He represented the US in 92 and 96

His takedown defense isn't specacular, according to UFC.com, it's 67%. Shogun took him down 5x, Jake Shields 4x.

[denny2008]

real impressive wrestling

Yes because NO Olympic caliber wrestler has EVER been taken down ever in life, especially after going through a 4 round slugfest. Urine idiot...

[MichaelScofield]

His takedown defense isn't specacular, according to UFC.com, it's 67%. Shogun took him down 5x, Jake Shields 4x.

Shields fight he was tired from the flu and had nothing in the tank. Hendo would crack shields on the ground and standing any other day. The Shogun fight you can easily say look how many times Shogun was on the ground etc. your point is invalid.

[HardGainer82]

Yes because NO Olympic caliber wrestler has EVER been taken down ever in life, especially after going through a 4 round slugfest. Urine idiot...

Shields fight he was tired from the flu and had nothing in the tank. Hendo would crack shields on the ground and standing any other day. The Shogun fight you can easily say look how many times Shogun was on the ground etc. your point is invalid.

If you've watched enough of Hendo's fights, he's made a career of getting put on his back by people he shouldn't. Ninja, Shoji, Nakamura, Kondo...Jones is the best MMA wrestler in the division by far. If he wants to take Dan down, he's going to, UNLESS he gets clipped.

[yummy22]

Look I think any long term fan of the sport wants hendo to win. Yet even though hendo is in my top 5 favorite fighters of all time I just don't think he has much of a chance.

Hendo winning would be a bigger upset then serra beating gsp. He has a chance like any ufc fighter yet his only viable way of winning is with his hands and that just doesn't seem likely at any point in hendos career.

[Clense]

Pretty ridiculous post... jones is like a month of training and good eating from looking in shape again. Bad angle, his gut is loose, he's obviously bloated, and just a bit of extra fat on him.

And lack of reach, though Hendo is as good as anyone at getting inside and exploding

which fact that I brought up do you not agree upon?

[forcefedfreak]

I predict that Jones will show up to the fight intoxicated, crash his Bentley into the cage, cutting off Hendo's legs in the process, but Dana will let the fight go on anyway, and the next five rounds will be Hendo trying to crawl his way into Jones' Bentley, while Jones is too drunk to figure out how to take off his seatbelt. The fight will finally end in a decision with the double leg Jones scored at the beginning of the bout being the only points scored the entire match, thus Jones wins a 5 round decision.

[LAWLER89]

I predict that Jones will show up to the fight intoxicated, crash his Bentley into the cage, cutting off Hendo's legs in the process, but Dana will let the fight go on anyway, and the next five rounds will be Hendo trying to crawl his way into Jones' Bentley, while Jones is too drunk to figure out how to take off his seatbelt. The fight will finally end in a decision with the double leg Jones scored at the beginning of the bout being the only points scored the entire match, thus Jones wins a 5 round decision.

Eh, that's a stretch.

I say Jones flies into the cage; using his arms as rotors while he spins around. The first round opens with Dan becoming confused by his dementia, resulting in him knocking out Mazagatti. Dana sits ringside complaining about how Steve can't even get KO'd right. Meanwhile, Jones is stumbling all over the place because the fifth of Jack Daniels combined with the human helicopter act is making him dizzy and queasy.

Dan's already exhausted from that one punch, so he lays down and Jones pukes, then passes out on top of him in Dan's open guard. After the round ends, the doctor desides that neither fighter can continue, and it's ruled a no contest. The rematch will be billed by Joe Rogan as the biggest fight in UFC history.

[John L]

If Dan wins it would be a Couture-esque epic moment in MMA history

[HardGainer82]

If Dan wins it would be a Couture-esque epic moment in MMA history

Dan >Randy. And I like Randy.

[ftwrestler]

Dan >Randy. And I like Randy.

i think he means upset wise.

dan has not had that "big upset moment" in the ufc yet.