About SLEEP - You will be shocked.

[Agumon]

it's true that you can sleep for 6 hours and feel good after, but just because you feel good doesn't mean its good for you. don't take this as an excuse to only get 6 hours every night, 7.5 or 9 is much better

good article though, i started this a while ago and set my iphone for 9 hours every night, i feel so good

also, there's an iphone app that does this for you (graphs your sleep pattern) i think it's alarm clock pro or something

Yes you're right in the first part, that's why I highlighted that section of writing in red. But some people really DO get enough sleep from 6 hours, or even 2-3 like I said (those are extreme cases though).

And I didn't know about the iphone app, interesting!

Learnt this in psychology....all the different REM stages and what not..

good read nonetheless.

I didn't know this is taught in psychology, cool

And thanks man.

So what, I should experiment on getting 6/7/8 hours of sleep on different nights and see how well I work during the day?

Just go to sleep at a certain time and when you wake up feeling fresh with no disturbance, see how many hours you've slept.

Then try and adjust your bedtime so that you sleep the same amount of hours like you did in your experiment but without being late for school / work.

That's the simple way of doing it, now you'll wake up and feel full of energy everyday. Good luck

tl;dr but if you're woken by external influences you've not slept enough imo

It depends on when you've been woken up. If it's early at night, then you obviously should start another cycle and just go to sleep. If it's in the morning, there's no point in starting another cycle as you will be late for work / school so you will just have to bare the tiredness.

[xhaihappen]

I sleep 14hrs a day, so beats me whether this is good or bad, lol ;D

[Agumon]

I sleep 14hrs a day, so beats me whether this is good or bad, lol ;D

Heh, 14 hours is way too much, I'm guessing you only do this during holidays? Try setting your alarm 180 minutes earlier (2 cycles) or even 270 minutes earlier (3 cycles) and see how you feel. I have a strong feeling you will feel fine. Bare in mind, 90 minutes (1 cycle) is of course not for everyone, just like I said before.


2 IMPORTANT EDITS ADDED TO MAIN THREAD (in green).

[ben551]

theres an app for iphones and ipod touches that u set like an hour to wake up like between 630-730 and it sences when your moving and wakes you up. Im guessing its just like what your talking about bc its called sleep cycles

[Agumon]

theres an app for iphones and ipod touches that u set like an hour to wake up like between 630-730 and it sences when your moving and wakes you up. Im guessing its just like what your talking about bc its called sleep cycles

Someone already pointed that out, thanks for the additional detail man.

[TheBig3]

When you become REM deprived your body is able to skip the first 4 stages and you fall directly into REM sleep.

[Agumon]

When you become REM deprived your body is able to skip the first 4 stages and you fall directly into REM sleep.

Never experienced it but heard it's true. It apparently also happens when you're very ill, but not sure about that... However, this is usually a sign of some disorder - something going wrong with your body.

Thanks for the input man.

[SEX]

need legit sources

[Agumon]

need legit sources

I added a wikipedia link a while back, that's the only thing I can give you; research if you want to be sure.

[bwoh]

Yea I knew about the different stages but didn't know about how your body wakes up. So let me get this straight, Each cyle is 90 mins. In that cycle you go through the different stages? And when those stages are done you can wake up energetic and feel good as long as you wake up at the end of a cycle?

[Agumon]

Yea I knew about the different stages but didn't know about how your body wakes up. So let me get this straight, Each cyle is 90 mins. In that cycle you go through the different stages? And when those stages are done you can wake up energetic and feel good as long as you wake up at the end of a cycle?

Yes to both questions.

The cycle really varies. The average is 90 minutes, but for some it could be 60 and for some it could be 120 and so on.

[pbfanatic321]

Good post OP

[-TheKingPin-]

Soo this is basically saying thatyou would achieve the same benefits of sleeping if you were to sleep 6 times a day for 90 minutes as if you were to sleep 9hrs straight?

I guess it makes sense... almost similar to the calories in vs out rule! As long as you get the amount of sleep requires in the 24h window your fine.

[Agumon]

Soo this is basically saying thatyou would achieve the same benefits of sleeping if you were to sleep 6 times a day for 90 minutes as if you were to sleep 9hrs straight?

I guess it makes sense... almost similar to the calories in vs out rule! As long as you get the amount of sleep requires in the 24h window your fine.

Haha interesting idea man, I never thought of it that way. I would strongly bet that it would work but the question obviously is, why would anyone want to do that ?

[Paul-T]

I thought this info was common knowledge, I learned it in 10th grade.

This whole article isn't relevant to this topic, but the parts that are relevant are very internestesting (specifically the first half).

http://www.trickstutorials.com/index...content/sleeps

[theculture]

I believe this but then I also dont...Im a psych minor, js

Just because EVERY time i've gotten 6 hours or less (which happens all the time thru school, im in college) I feel different through my day. My brain and my body just lag and feel sluggish. I feel like I could just lay my head down on my desk and take a nap. During finals when I get 2-4 hours of sleep I feel super weird, like kind of depressed. And super dehydrated. I've had periods of time where I dont sleep for 3 solid days so I can finish my final project. Very scary, I start to hallucinate

I'd say about 75% of the time, when I get 7-9 hours of sleep, I feel much fresher through the day. All summer i've been getting almost exactly 8 per night and it feels great.

And yes, waking up without an alarm clock and on my own = feeling really good and a clean smooth energy, immediately when I wake up.
Then sometimes when I'm woken up by noise, im usually groggy and tired.

But i've also had times where I sleep a solid 10/11 hours and wake up a bit groggy tired. Too much isnt good for me.

edit:
i'd say the best way to get maximum sleep effectiveness is to go to bed early, and set your alarm 10 hours from when you are going to sleep. Unless im super tired, rarely do I sleep over 9 hours on my own. This way you can wake up on your own before your alarm goes off. I typically wake up 7-8 hours after I fall asleep, on my own.

[xhaihappen]

lots of information here, lovin it! crazy what all kinds of apps there are for the iphone lol.. makes me wanna wish one!
I guess I should adapt to waking up to the alarm. However, if I only sleep 8-9hrs after half a day I feel like falling asleep for the rest of the day ;\ has me worried. I wonder if it's all the sleepless nights in my early teens in front of the tv/computer..
I doubt I miss the cycle every single day lol.. sometimes I wake up fresh and fit, but after 4-5 hrs.. dead. :\

[Bigwade17]

wow great post!

[Agumon]

This whole article isn't relevant to this topic, but the parts that are relevant are very internestesting (specifically the first half).

http://www.trickstutorials.com/index...content/sleeps

Thanks, it's got some OK stuff on there even though I strongly disagree with the "Turn off your PC half an hour before bed because the human chemistry is tricked into thinking it's daytime due to light from the screen". That's a total lie; I find that I fall asleep instantly after I turn off my PC and go to bed. I don't believe the "human chemistry" is that stupid .

I believe this but then I also dont...Im a psych minor, js

Just because EVERY time i've gotten 6 hours or less (which happens all the time thru school, im in college) I feel different through my day. My brain and my body just lag and feel sluggish. I feel like I could just lay my head down on my desk and take a nap. During finals when I get 2-4 hours of sleep I feel super weird, like kind of depressed. And super dehydrated. I've had periods of time where I dont sleep for 3 solid days so I can finish my final project. Very scary, I start to hallucinate

I'd say about 75% of the time, when I get 7-9 hours of sleep, I feel much fresher through the day. All summer i've been getting almost exactly 8 per night and it feels great.

And yes, waking up without an alarm clock and on my own = feeling really good and a clean smooth energy, immediately when I wake up.
Then sometimes when I'm woken up by noise, im usually groggy and tired.

But i've also had times where I sleep a solid 10/11 hours and wake up a bit groggy tired. Too much isnt good for me.

edit:
i'd say the best way to get maximum sleep effectiveness is to go to bed early, and set your alarm 10 hours from when you are going to sleep. Unless im super tired, rarely do I sleep over 9 hours on my own. This way you can wake up on your own before your alarm goes off. I typically wake up 7-8 hours after I fall asleep, on my own.

Well, about the first part... You feel sluggish because you most likely need more than 6 hours, as I said, it varies. However, if you woke up at the end of a cycle, you would still feel good in the morning (but later on perhaps not, since you personally need more than 6 hours). Also, try and avoid the 3 day thing as that's extremely unhealthy (even for bodybuilding).

You mentioned that when you sleep 8 hours, you always feel good. That must mean you only need 8 hours of sleep and it also means that one of your cycles ends when the 8th hour is finished, since you wake up fresh. And there isn't such a thing like "too much"; if you sleep more than you need to, you shouldn't feel tired, if you do, it means you have broken a cycle.

About your edit: That might be the best way for you, but it certainly won't be for everybody. As I said, everyone's cycles / sleep hours needed are different.

lots of information here, lovin it! crazy what all kinds of apps there are for the iphone lol.. makes me wanna wish one!
I guess I should adapt to waking up to the alarm. However, if I only sleep 8-9hrs after half a day I feel like falling asleep for the rest of the day ;\ has me worried. I wonder if it's all the sleepless nights in my early teens in front of the tv/computer..
I doubt I miss the cycle every single day lol.. sometimes I wake up fresh and fit, but after 4-5 hrs.. dead. :\

Well since you sometimes "wake up fresh and fit", it means you have just finished a cycle. And if you're "dead" after 4-5 hours even if you wake up fresh, it means you just need more than 8-9 hours of sleep. This is pretty unusual and yes it might be because of all the sleepless nights in your early teens. Try sleeping for much longer for 2 weeks and then go back to 8-9 hours again and see how you feel. Best of luck!

P.S. Nice to see a German teen among us!

[monkeyfrogO.O]

i always go straight into REM sleep, i can't believe the last time i didn't start dreaming straightaway

[silva14]

great read =) sticky!

[musclefreak69]

great read =) sticky!

will keep bumping this until its stickied.

[Agumon]

Thank you for the support guys; if anyone else wants this thread stickied, say so in a post so that the mods notice enough interest. Rating it at the top would also help. Much appreciated, thanks again

[TotalGymFreak]

OP just C&P findings/info from Dement and Kleitman study

GTFO asking for this to be stickied.

[Agumon]

OP just C&P findings/info from Dement and Kleitman study

GTFO asking for this to be stickied.

A family relative studied Dement and Kleitman at college; he told me about sleep cycles, so what's your problem?

I didn't copy/paste anything, so maybe you should get out and let other people who don't know this information benefit.

And how many times did I ask for this thread to be stickied? Twice. Once above ^, and once in the thread itself.

Come at me.

[WlLD]

Or just use sleep cycle on the iphone app store and get it to wake you up when you are in your rem cycle closest to your alarm.

[MikeDS]

I'm wondering about health- For example, if you sleep for 2 hours possibly finishing 2 complete cycles and you wake up feeling great, is it healthy to only sleep for 2 hours a night compared to 7 hours a night and feel bad when you wake up ( due to an alarm clock for school )?

[ReillyM]

Wow, Very intriguing info there, thanks, repped.

[Agumon]

I'm wondering about health- For example, if you sleep for 2 hours possibly finishing 2 complete cycles and you wake up feeling great, is it healthy to only sleep for 2 hours a night compared to 7 hours a night and feel bad when you wake up ( due to an alarm clock for school )?

No, as I said in the thread (highlighted red writing), you need a certain amount of hours where your body completes all its processes needed for a healthy day. Waking up feeling great isn't everything. The amount of hours needed varies from person to person and some DO only need 2, but those are rare cases.

So when you find out how many hours you need and what your sleep cycle duration is, adjust your bedtime so that when the alarm goes off, you will have just finished a cycle, resulting in you feeling great AND having lots of energy throughout the whole day .

[p90mikey]

I often will wakeup about an hour to two hours before i need to get up (typically after about 4-5 hours of sleep) and feel energetic and ready to start my day. However I go back to sleep until I *need* to get up and I usually feel more tired when I actually get up.

I should try starting my day when I naturally awake and going to bed earlier to make up for the sleep.

Nice write-up, repped