Misc Firearms Crew X: We prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery

[VoxExMachina]

I read your stickied stuff on the other parts of this forum when I first got into lifting... any recommendations on weight/form/rep range with that hammer so I can maximize hypertrophy at the same time? Just looking to tone up a bit bro.

If you haven't been keeping up with your Squatz, you ain't going to be in shape to wield a hammer.

Game over, Man.

[R3L3NTL3SS]

riflegear has been getting Mega billets in every couple weeks if that interests you. They are more like $270

Oh, hell yeah - I'd fukin LOVE a Mega lower. However, that's way outta my price range, unfortunately.
I'm trying to build the best quality I can afford without going into garbage territory. My HOPES is to build the whole rifle for about $900-$1,000. Which I think I can accomplish if I'm patient in buying parts.

[hutch1999]

I grew up there, and went to school there, and interned with a police department there. No direct ISP experience though.

Do you happen to know any IN state police officers? I am wondering how they like their career in particular.

[Farley1324]

If you're worried about shelf life, switch over to some freeze dried food. Think of it like a stock portfolio: short, mid and long term. Spreading your stockpile between short term perishable for immediate consumption, canned food and freeze dried. I personally don't care too much for MRE's.

Short term: Canned food
Mid-term: Some canned foods here too, if you have enough of them. Mix in some of the long term stuff to stretch it out or get variety
Long-term: Supplement with traps, snares, gardening, and possibly hunting, where applicable and possible. Mylar lined buckets (diatomacious earth/o2 absorbers inside help) with things like wheat, flour, beans, white rice, sugar, salt, honey, etc). Canned (#10 cans are popular) as well as the buckets, and freeze dried food, like the Mountain House type. That stuff isn't good for bulk/volume, but good change of pace
Mobile: MREs, freeze dried pouches, lifeboat rations, etc.

In short.

[nick911sc]

I figured snares,traps and gardening were unspoken givens along with hunting. Can't wait to get my garden going again this year.

[Farley1324]

Do you happen to know any IN state police officers? I am wondering how they like their career in particular.

I know one. Close family friends (my mom's best friend for like 20 years, have kids our age, used to babysit for us, etc)...her brother was an ISP officer. He liked it. Friends son (so officer's nephew) now wants to become an officer with them.

LE is an animal unto itself.

http://www.amazon.com/Emotional-surv...aw+enforcement

[taf1968]

If you've been waiting to buy an AK, I say go for it.

I think I will . . . hopefully still in stock by the time I get to it. Anyone with links to decent, relatively inexpensive mags for an AK?

[combatdepth]

brb rolling the dice and hoping the house you pick to prey on is undefended. *******s like you are the reason everyone else ITT is stockpiling guns/ammo.


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Exactly. That's pretty pathetic that someone would already say that it's their plan to rob and pillage innocent folks.

[jason_bh]

hey, on the stockpiling...

I haven't accumulated food stores to speak of yet. But now that we live in hurricane territory, I'm thinking we should have some stuff to get us through a couple of weeks in a pinch.

What's your view of 2013-dated MRE packs? Good/bad/indifferent (remember, my time predated modern MREs, so I've never had them)? Just don't know if it beats just getting simple canned food.

Do they expire in 2013 or were they made this year? Having some MRE's would be great, but I would also get into some canned goods/rice. If the MRE's expire in 2013, I would still think that you could use them for a last resort.

Being in hurricane territory, the MRE's may come in useful. I remember the hurricane season of 2004. We were hit by 4 hurricanes within a two month time span. While my family didn't suffer from power outages, many in our county did. Some went weeks without power. An MRE would have proven useful to some that live in the outlying areas, I bet.

[R3L3NTL3SS]

I think I will . . . hopefully still in stock by the time I get to it. Anyone with links to decent, relatively inexpensive mags for an AK?

I haven't used these, but form what I read, they are good to go.
Hola would know. Maybe he'll chime in.
https://royaltigerimports.com/index....897&id=9615981

[surf junkie]

Short term: Canned food
Mid-term: Some canned foods here too, if you have enough of them. Mix in some of the long term stuff to stretch it out or get variety
Long-term: Supplement with traps, snares, gardening, and possibly hunting, where applicable and possible. Mylar lined buckets (diatomacious earth/o2 absorbers inside help) with things like wheat, flour, beans, white rice, sugar, salt, honey, etc). Canned (#10 cans are popular) as well as the buckets, and freeze dried food, like the Mountain House type. That stuff isn't good for bulk/volume, but good change of pace
Mobile: MREs, freeze dried pouches, lifeboat rations, etc.

In short.

Barter is handy as well.


A few years ago my area was flooded and our neighborhood was cut off for 3 days. Needless to say, supermarkets went empty and most didnt have a genny.

Supplied my neighbor with some long-life milk in exchange for some of the fresh meat he had in freezer which was gonna go bad.

Canning would be a handy skill, I just don't have the motivation to learn yet.

[Farley1324]

Do they expire in 2013 or were they made this year? Having some MRE's would be great, but I would also get into some canned goods/rice. If the MRE's expire in 2013, I would still think that you could use them for a last resort.

Being in hurricane territory, the MRE's may come in useful. I remember the hurricane season of 2004. We were hit by 4 hurricanes within a two month time span. While my family didn't suffer from power outages, many in our county did. Some went weeks without power. An MRE would have proven useful to some that live in the outlying areas, I bet.

Even if MREs are dated with an inspection date of 2013 (manufactured 2010) they will be good for a long time after that, provided they were stored decently.

http://www.mreinfo.com/us/mre/mre-shelf-life.html

[nick911sc]

Barter is handy as well.


A few years ago my area was flooded and our neighborhood was cut off for 3 days. Needless to say, supermarkets went empty and most didnt have a genny.

Supplied my neighbor with some long-life milk in exchange for some of the fresh meat he had in freezer which was gonna go bad.

Canning would be a handy skill, I just don't have the motivation to learn yet.

Should take the time, it's not that difficult. Every year my family makes tomato sauce (Italian Traditions ftw), jelly and some other stuff. We can it and use it until the next year. It's nice having fresh, home made stuff.

[R3L3NTL3SS]

Exactly. That's pretty pathetic that someone would already say that it's their plan to rob and pillage innocent folks.

I'm not taking up for him in any way. But there would be A LOT of this going on in a real SHTF situation. It happens all the time for hurricanes here in the south.

[surf junkie]

If you're worried about shelf life, switch over to some freeze dried food. Think of it like a stock portfolio: short, mid and long term. Spreading your stockpile between short term perishable for immediate consumption, canned food and freeze dried. I personally don't care too much for MRE's.

In my experience, canned/pickled food lasts a lot longer than freeze dried. I guess if you go Full Prepper and get into nitrogen/mylar/bucket route then dried is good. But stuff like freeze-dried camping food only has a few year shelf life before it loses a lot of nutrient value.

tempted to take a pic of pantry

[nick911sc]

I'm not taking up for him in any way. But there would be A LOT of this going on in a real SHTF situation. It happens all the time for hurricanes here in the south.

I think the issue is that he's planning on doing it rather than being someone who was oblivious to prepping in the first place.

[ReconRon1b847077]

Canning would be a handy skill, I just don't have the motivation to learn yet.

Toss jar in boiling water, let sit for a few minutes.... remove.


Your welcome brah

[surf junkie]

Should take the time, it's not that difficult. Every year my family makes tomato sauce (Italian Traditions ftw), jelly and some other stuff. We can it and use it until the next year. It's nice having fresh, home made stuff.

sounds nice, esp with some meat mixed in with the tomato, like sausage or whatever.

[Farley1324]

Freeze dried shelf life example

http://www.mountainhouse.com/shelf_lif.cfm

"#10 Cans-- 25 Year Shelf Life

We can confidently claim a 25-year shelf life, because our testing has shown the shelf life exceeds 25 years! These independent university studies were performed on actual 20-, 25- and 30-year-old product stored under real-world conditions, which weren’t always ideal -- not on newer product exposed to an accelerated-time environment in a laboratory. In addition, we have personally tasted cans that were 35 years old and still taste great!"

[nick911sc]

Toss jar in boiling water, let sit for a few minutes.... remove.


Your welcome brah

Exactly this, we boil them in a big tub and it seals the jars. Just gotta check for any dinkers (if the jar didn't suction properly the top will click) to make sure they sealed properly.

[ReconRon1b847077]

Freeze dried shelf life example

http://www.mountainhouse.com/shelf_lif.cfm

"#10 Cans-- 25 Year Shelf Life

We can confidently claim a 25-year shelf life, because our testing has shown the shelf life exceeds 25 years! These independent university studies were performed on actual 20-, 25- and 30-year-old product stored under real-world conditions, which weren’t always ideal -- not on newer product exposed to an accelerated-time environment in a laboratory. In addition, we have personally tasted cans that were 35 years old and still taste great!"

I prefer the LDS route: http://store.lds.org/webapp/wcs/stor...8_-1_N_image_0

WAY cheaper and similar if not longer shelf lives.





" Starter Kit

The starter kit contains recipes, instructional pamphlets, visual aids for teaching family home storage principles, and one can each of flour, red wheat, white wheat, rice, pinto beans, and oats. A case contains 28 lbs. of product. Food items cannot be shipped to addresses outside the United States. (Case of Six #10 cans)

$31.00 USD "


http://providentliving.org/bc/provid...9.pdf?lang=eng

[R3L3NTL3SS]

I think the issue is that he's planning on doing it rather than being someone who was oblivious to prepping in the first place.

Yeah, good point.

[Farley1324]

I prefer the LDS route: http://store.lds.org/webapp/wcs/stor...8_-1_N_image_0

WAY cheaper and similar if not longer shelf lives.





" Starter Kit

The starter kit contains recipes, instructional pamphlets, visual aids for teaching family home storage principles, and one can each of flour, red wheat, white wheat, rice, pinto beans, and oats. A case contains 28 lbs. of product. Food items cannot be shipped to addresses outside the United States. (Case of Six #10 cans)

$31.00 USD "

Different items. It would be good to have both, IMO.

The Mountain House freeze dried is ready to eat by simply adding water, and is pretty good by simply adding hot water. That's it. The LDS stuff is great to have too and fits into the mid/long term category very well, but flour and (especially) wheat take a lot more prep to turn into actual food you are going to eat. Same for beans and rice. You don't just throw water in and eat it 10 minutes later.

So I'd rather have both.

*Check the labels on the Mountain House or similar items before buying. Their idea of a 'serving' doesnt' compare very well to the number of calories it takes to sustain people, especially if there is physical activity.

[hutch1999]

I know one. Close family friends (my mom's best friend for like 20 years, have kids our age, used to babysit for us, etc)...her brother was an ISP officer. He liked it. Friends son (so officer's nephew) now wants to become an officer with them.

LE is an animal unto itself.

http://www.amazon.com/Emotional-surv...aw+enforcement

Thanks for the response. I'm well informed on the emotional stress of being an LEO. I've had several in depth classes regarding ethics and problems in policing. I graduated in 2011 with a bachelors in Criminology and Criminal Justice. I am currently on 4 waiting lists for different local agencies. The problem I face is every county/city/state agency in Southern IL is broke. So I am currently looking at Indiana State Police because they are accepting applications right now. I am just debating on whether the move and new career in Indiana would be worth it.

It would be a pay drop for me but would give me full health benefits and a retirement. Plus I would actually get to use my education.

[surf junkie]

Where do you get the jars from for canning? Special jars or ... ?

I went the spam/beans/rice route ... i know, not very tasty. Keen on having some home canned stuff if its not a difficult process.

[proconsul]

Cool, thanks all for the feedback. I'll probably buy some MRE packs then.

In world news today:

Gun control and unrestricted immigration working out well for the French.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...d_story_1.html

American government/media support for Syrian rebels turning out equally well
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...239_story.html

and
Cypriot government backtracks on 10% tax on bank savings accounts, but shuts down all banking for a third day, fearing a run on the banks (unexpected this is - who would have guessed this might be the result??) :/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...b49_story.html


Good news all around - apparently progressive socialism is working well globally.

[hutch1999]

Where do you get the jars from for canning? Special jars or ... ?

I went the spam/beans/rice route ... i know, not very tasty. Keen on having some home canned stuff if its not a difficult process.

http://www.freshpreserving.com/products/jars.aspx

walmart has them as well I believe.

Find an old women, they are very good with canning.

[nick911sc]

Cool, thanks all for the feedback. I'll probably buy some MRE packs then.

In world news today:

Gun control and unrestricted immigration working out well for the French.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...d_story_1.html

American government/media support for Syrian rebels turning out equally well
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...239_story.html

and
Cypriot government backtracks on 10% tax on bank savings accounts, but shuts down all banking for a third day, fearing a run on the banks (unexpected this is - who would have guessed this might be the result??) :/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...b49_story.html


Good news all around - apparently progressive socialism is working well globally.

Italy is next

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-0...tax-italy-next

While some argue that Cyprus was "one of the biggest money-washing machines for Russian criminals," and others that Cyprus ex-Pat community and energy resources brough deposits (not to say their high deposit interest rates), it seems the European Union (IMF et al.) have decided that the route to crisis stabilization, just as we outlined here over a year ago and updated here, is through a wealth tax.

However, as Handelsblatt reports, the gross distortions of wealth distribution among both core and peripheral nations (evident in the chasm between 'mean' and 'median' net assets - or wealth) makes some nations more 'capable' of 'giving' and as Commerzbank's chief economist notes, median wealth in Italy is EUR164,000 (as opposed to Austria's median of around EUR76,000 and mean of around EUR265,000) meaning that in theory Italy has no debt crisis (with net assets at 173% of GDP) - significantly more than the Germans at 124% - "so it would make sense, in Italy a one-time property tax levy," he suggested.

"A tax rate of 15% on financial assets would probably be enough to push the Italian government debt to below the critical level of 100% of gross domestic product." So there you have it, the 'new deal' in Europe, as we warned, is 'wealth taxes' and testing the "capacity of Cypriots" appears to be the strawman on what the public will take before social unrest becomes intolerable.

[ReconRon1b847077]

Where do you get the jars from for canning? Special jars or ... ?

I went the spam/beans/rice route ... i know, not very tasty. Keen on having some home canned stuff if its not a difficult process.

Kern, Ball, or Mason jars. Available at your local grocery store. Make sure you have the 3 system design, jar, lid, screwtop.

[Farley1324]

Cool, thanks all for the feedback. I'll probably buy some MRE packs then.

In world news today:

Gun control and unrestricted immigration working out well for the French.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...d_story_1.html

American government/media support for Syrian rebels turning out equally well
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...239_story.html

and
Cypriot government backtracks on 10% tax on bank savings accounts, but shuts down all banking for a third day, fearing a run on the banks (unexpected this is - who would have guessed this might be the result??) :/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...b49_story.html


Good news all around - apparently progressive socialism is working well globally.

"In that spirit, Patrick Mennucci, a Socialist member of the National Assembly from Marseille, suggested a march against violence but also encouraged police to frisk everybody entering or leaving drug-infested neighborhoods to make buying hashish more difficult."