Russia vs Ukraine Thread V: The Fate of Humanity, Traditional Values vs Globohomo

[exxtracool]

Taiwan is ALREADY part of China, per the US State Department.

It's amusing to see you parrot the idiocy of every fallen empire in the history of civilization, by implying it is an American imperative to interfere in every area of the world. How is that working out for us? Vietnam? Iraq? Afghanistan? Syria? Libya? Ukraine? Smh, cant fix stupid.

i guess youre unaware of what the term 'strategic ambiguity' implies my cooked friend.

and it has worked out pretty well for USA tbh, biggest economy in the world. doesnt always go well ofc but overall the fact that US has flexed its might to gain influence over so many regions since the early 20th century is the reason why it has come out on top.

to lose this influence would be a disaster at the point for the US. just the dollar losing reserve currency status alone would at this point tank the US into a major economic depression.

[dabbmw2002]

i guess youre unaware of what the term 'strategic ambiguity' implies my cooked friend.

and it has worked out pretty well for USA tbh, biggest economy in the world. doesnt always go well ofc but overall the fact that US has flexed its might to gain influence over so many regions since the early 20th century is the reason why it has come out on top.

to lose this influence would be a disaster at the point for the US. just the dollar losing reserve currency status alone would at this point tank the US into a major economic depression.

Strategic ambiguity? Lmao, there is none. US wont cross a line when it comes to Ukraine - no fly zone or troops, and that wont be any different with Taiwan for the simple reason that China and Russia have escalation dominance as they both view those areas as an existential threat.

Russia and China are closer than ever. If our goal was to protect the US dollar, we're really fuking that up.

[exxtracool]

Strategic ambiguity? Lmao, there is none. US wont cross a line when it comes to Ukraine - no fly zone or troops, and that wont be any different with Taiwan for the simple reason that China and Russia have escalation dominance as they both view those areas as an existential threat.

Russia and China are closer than ever. If our goal was to protect the US dollar, we're really fuking that up.

ukraine is much less important than tiawan to USA, always has been. and cool story bro, china wont invade taiwan as long as the risk of drawing war with USA is there, thats why the US is in the region.

obviously though is they were to follow your cooked advice and just up and leave, then its open season.


russia and china has been trying to dedollarize global trade for decades. wont happen any time soon as long as there isnt some major shifting.

[swoleyo]

ukraine is much less important than tiawan to USA, always has been. and cool story bro, china wont invade taiwan as long as the risk of drawing war with USA is there, thats why the US is in the region.

obviously though is they were to follow your cooked advice and just up and leave, then its open season.


russia and china has been trying to dedollarize global trade for decades. wont happen any time soon as long as there isnt some major shifting.

But it is happening? BRICS are already trading with other currencies.

Russia is gold backing its currency.


I would say Ukraine is more important to America right now. The US is trying to use Ukraine to cripple Russia economically to stall BRICS.

[exxtracool]

But it is happening? BRICS are already trading with other currencies.

Russia is gold backing its currency.


I would say Ukraine is more important to America right now. The US is trying to use Ukraine to cripple Russia economically to stall BRICS.

but is it though? what percent of global trade was settled in USD last year? has that dropped off to any large degree in the past ~10 years?


either way, point here is that the US cant let that happen and forfeiting regional influence to china is one surefire way of doing that.

[dabbmw2002]

ukraine is much less important than tiawan to USA, always has been. and cool story bro,

I thought Putin was going invade a NATO country and trigger WWIII if we dont stop Russia in Ukraine? Nice that you are admitting thats all bullchit and Ukraine isnt that important to the US. Sucks for the 400K dead Ukrainians.

china wont invade taiwan as long as the risk of drawing war with USA is there, thats why the US is in the region.

China wont invade Taiwan because it may not need to as long as the status quo remains or if they eventually rejoin peacefully.
If it ever came to it, they would and we couldnt stop them. Pentagon already admitted we lose in war against China over Taiwan. As important as that area is to the US, it is exestential for China, not us. We are not going to risk US soldiers fighting over an Island 90 miles off the coast of China. The US public wont accept that.

obviously though is they were to follow your cooked advice and just up and leave, then its open season.

Open season? Get up and leave? No, dont get up and leave, respect the fact that Taiwan is part of China, as we the US recognizes. We still can have our bases in the Philippines, Korea, Japan or wherever. Why do you think it is the God given right of US to engage over an Island we recognize as theirs? Why should any American die for that? You volunteering? Then stay your ass Canada

russia and china has been trying to dedollarize global trade for decades. wont happen any time soon as long as there isnt some major shifting.

if you dont think there is some major shifting going on, your knowledge of the changing global monetary situation is worse than your understanding of nuclear weapons development.

[miscinbro]

US State Department recognizes that Taiwan is part of China, what right do we have to try to change that? US has as much right to interfere there as China does in our sphere. Just because Im American doesnt mean that ignore hypocrisy and common sense. Besides, China is too large to keep out of Taiwan, and trying to stop them will go no better than Ukraine, or possible lead to nuclear confrontation, in which case we're ALL dead. God didnt give us some special status to control all spheres of the world, and pointing that out doesnt mean Im pro-China. It means im not pro stupidity, and honestly, that insinuation that Im somehow anti American for pointing that out is lame, played out, and should be beneath any honest intellectual.

The US is a strong ally to Taiwan. Hell, we supply them with weapons. Google the “Six Assurances.”

[miscinbro]

Taiwan is ALREADY part of China, per the US State Department.

It's amusing to see you parrot the idiocy of every fallen empire in the history of civilization, by implying it is an American imperative to interfere in every area of the world. How is that working out for us? Vietnam? Iraq? Afghanistan? Syria? Libya? Ukraine? Smh, cant fix stupid.

“In November 2020 U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo stated “Taiwan has not been a part of China, and that was recognized with the work that the Reagan administration did to lay out the policies that the United States has adhered to now for three and a half decades, and done so under both administrations.” which was seen as invoking clause 5.[13]“

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Assurances

[PimpinisEasy]

but is it though? what percent of global trade was settled in USD last year? has that dropped off to any large degree in the past ~10 years?


either way, point here is that the US cant let that happen and forfeiting regional influence to china is one surefire way of doing that.

China just dropped 53B in US dollars - Large dropping of US dolalrs will cause massive inflation in the US.

You're going to be crucied in the coming decades.

[PimpinisEasy]

Ew, a russian








8 years of Iraq war: <5000 US casualities
2 years of Ukraine war: 500.000 russian casulaties and pending


Glad we both agree more aid to Ukraine is better

I was 3 monthss of war not 8 years.

Americans cannot fight a war.

500k Russians haven't died.

The US would lose everywhere now - it's not the 90s.

[DSTEE]

I was 3 monthss of war not 8 years.

Americans cannot fight a war.

500k Russians haven't died.

The US would lose everywhere now - it's not the 90s.

Crazy how russians tried the same thing but got stuck with no end in sight. All of them assumed a short timeline and finish

[miscinbro]

China just dropped 53B in US dollars - Large dropping of US dolalrs will cause massive inflation in the US.

You're going to be crucied in the coming decades.

That’s a tiny, tiny fraction of their dollar reserves. What does that tell you that every country hordes the US dollar?

[dabbmw2002]

“In November 2020 U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo stated “Taiwan has not been a part of China, and that was recognized with the work that the Reagan administration did to lay out the policies that the United States has adhered to now for three and a half decades, and done so under both administrations.” which was seen as invoking clause 5.[13]“

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Assurances

From the State Department Website




https://www.state.gov/countries-areas/taiwan/


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I'm well aware of the six insurances, the three communiques, and the Taiwan Relations Act. Any of the resolutions passed by the US Congress guide policy but they are not binding and we have no formal defense relationship. We did have a defense treaty withTaiwan treaty which we allowed to expire.

[The Mutual Defense Treaty between the United States and the Republic of China (formally known as Mutual Defense Treaty between the United States of America and the Republic of China), was a defense pact signed between the United States and the Republic of China (Taiwan) effective from 1955 to 1980. It was intended to defend the island of Taiwan from invasion by the People's Republic of China.

Although the treaty had no time limit, Article 10 of the treaty stipulated that either party can terminate the treaty one year after notifying the other party. Accordingly, the treaty came to an end on January 1, 1980, one year after the United States established diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China on January 1, 1979.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutu...rtain%20extent.


We the United States allowed the treaty to expire removing any legal obligation to defend Taiwan against an attack from the mainland. We didn't want to keep that obligation with China being weak and we certainly don't want to keep it now now that China is the largest manufacturing economy on Earth. Just like Ukraine, will provide weapons and money have a big bark but ultimately we will not want to go to war directly with China in there spere of the world. They aint goat herders in flip flops, and I'm not sure which American president wants to explain why tens of thousands of US service troops dying is worth keeping China out of Taiwan when we recognize them as one country.


We should poll Americans - how many of you are willing to fight and die over keeping China from reuniting with Taiwan? The answer would be close to zero.


Btw Here is a thread I started about the Taiwan, the history and US involvement

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...3378873&page=1

[yabbayabba]

Crazy how russians tried the same thing but got stuck with no end in sight. All of them assumed a short timeline and finish

Just ****ing LOL at the vatnig boy goal post shuffle. Also, many LOLs that vatnig boy literally only comes to this board to cry about Russia. Much incel rage at letting other men die so you can cry.

[PimpinisEasy]

Crazy how russians tried the same thing but got stuck with no end in sight. All of them assumed a short timeline and finish

Russia is fightingg an opponenet that is far better placed to resist. If the US attacked Iraq now they'd lose.

[dabbmw2002]

Russia is fightingg an opponenet that is far better placed to resist. If the US attacked Iraq now they'd lose.

You kill your credibility when you say stupid chit like this

[PimpinisEasy]

That’s a tiny, tiny fraction of their dollar reserves. What does that tell you that every country hordes the US dollar?

It tells me that faith in the US dollar is being lost - as China the number 1 economic power moves away from the dollar a host of other nations will also - this will cause a freefall in the American economy.

At this point the US is entering both a reserve currency decline but even worse is their rapid social decline. I don't think we've seen a country collapse at such unprecedented pace before. Feel bad for you guys - oh wait no i dont.

[exxtracool]

China just dropped 53B in US dollars - Large dropping of US dolalrs will cause massive inflation in the US.

You're going to be crucied in the coming decades.

Oh no, anyways…

You think china selling off 53 billion in Us treasury debt is going to cause massive inflation? Lol.

Youre living a pipedream of copium brotha, Us wont be replaced as the global leader anytime soon.

For that to happen there would need to be unprecedented shifting such as south east asian falling to chinese influence. The problem for china in that is the US is already to heavily established in the region for them to make a move.

Not even the weak biden admin is cooked enough to leave south east asia as per traitor cooked miscers opinions lol.

[PimpinisEasy]

You kill your credibility when you say stupid chit like this

It's not stupid its completely accurate.

If the US attacked Iraq they would face a completely different opponenet due to the proliferation of FPV drones, ATGm and other drone uses. The Russians/Chinese/Iranians would also arm the Iraqis.

The US has a low tolerance for losses. The rate of losses with the new technology available to Iraq would exceed the US's tolerance for casualties; which is significantly lower than in previous wars. Furthermore the ability for the US to recruit soldiers is significantly lower than it was previously.

The US is a regional power now - you just haven't caught up with that new reality.

[PimpinisEasy]

Oh no, anyways…

You think china selling off 53 billion in Us treasury debt is going to cause massive inflation? Lol.

Youre living a pipedream of copium brotha, Us wont be replaced as the global leader anytime soon.

For that to happen there would need to be unprecedented shifting such as south east asian falling to chinese influence. The problem for china in that is the US is already to heavily established in the region for them to make a move.

Not even the weak biden admin is cooked enough to leave south east asia as per traitor cooked miscers opinions lol.

The US has already been replaced as the global leader.

The problem the US has is that it is weakning at an astounding rate; while also being exposed on numerous fronts.

They're in the process of losing in Ukraine, they got kicked out of Aghanistan and Iraq and they are even been challeneged by the Houthis. The US is a regional power that still thinks its a global power - its embarrasing.

The only constant is change - and this change will be very tough for you to swallow.

[exxtracool]

The US has already been replaced as the global leader.

The problem the US has is that it is weakning at an astounding rate; while also being exposed on numerous fronts.

They're in the process of losing in Ukraine, they got kicked out of Aghanistan and Iraq and they are even been challeneged by the Houthis. The US is a regional power that still thinks its a global power - its embarrasing.

The only constant is change - and this change will be very tough for you to swallow.

This is nonsense copery. You dont know what youre talking about bro.

For china to supercede the US it needs to gain influence over SEA and japan/korea at a minimum. If it can do that then we are talking, but i see no way in hell USA lets all that happen without a major conflict.



Lmao @ whothis… tell me again which players in the ME have abandoned the US? Has trade stopped? Just lmao again.

[phaginator]

This is nonsense copery. You dont know what youre talking about bro.

For china to supercede the US it needs to gain influence over SEA and japan/korea at a minimum. If it can do that then we are talking, but i see no way in hell USA lets all that happen without a major conflict.



Lmao @ whothis… tell me again which players in the ME have abandoned the US? Has trade stopped? Just lmao again.

Didn't you hear? Iran has a stronger military than the US according to durka bro.

[miscinbro]

From the State Department Website




https://www.state.gov/countries-areas/taiwan/


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I'm well aware of the six insurances, the three communiques, and the Taiwan Relations Act. Any of the resolutions passed by the US Congress guide policy but they are not binding and we have no formal defense relationship. We did have a defense treaty withTaiwan treaty which we allowed to expire.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutu...rtain%20extent.


We the United States allowed the treaty to expire removing any legal obligation to defend Taiwan against an attack from the mainland. We didn't want to keep that obligation with China being weak and we certainly don't want to keep it now now that China is the largest manufacturing economy on Earth. Just like Ukraine, will provide weapons and money have a big bark but ultimately we will not want to go to war directly with China in there spere of the world. They aint goat herders in flip flops, and I'm not sure which American president wants to explain why tens of thousands of US service troops dying is worth keeping China out of Taiwan when we recognize them as one country.


We should poll Americans - how many of you are willing to fight and die over keeping China from reuniting with Taiwan? The answer would be close to zero.


Btw Here is a thread I started about the Taiwan, the history and US involvement

https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...3378873&page=1

We have soldiers stationed there providing training and equipment to Taiwan. Japan also wouldn’t sit by, and Korea might get involved as well if China attempted an invasion. Taiwan is also not a pushover. We’ve seen how hard it’s been for Russia to just cross a highway into Ukraine, let alone an opposed amphibious landing. The world stands by and holds its nose about China, but I really think this would be a bridge too far. China needs to the world buy their crap a lot more than the world needs China.

[miscinbro]

It tells me that faith in the US dollar is being lost - as China the number 1 economic power moves away from the dollar a host of other nations will also - this will cause a freefall in the American economy.

At this point the US is entering both a reserve currency decline but even worse is their rapid social decline. I don't think we've seen a country collapse at such unprecedented pace before. Feel bad for you guys - oh wait no i dont.

The US is a fcking quarter the world GDP. One quarter of the WORLD. We’re ahead of China by almost the entire economy of Japan and Germany together.

[PimpinisEasy]

This is nonsense copery. You dont know what youre talking about bro.

For china to supercede the US it needs to gain influence over SEA and japan/korea at a minimum. If it can do that then we are talking, but i see no way in hell USA lets all that happen without a major conflict.



Lmao @ whothis… tell me again which players in the ME have abandoned the US? Has trade stopped? Just lmao again.

The US is a rapidly declining power, I know all your life the US has been the world's main power and therefore it's difficult for you to accept this change - but it will happen regardless of whether you like it or not.

The US is not in a position for a major conflict. The BLM exposed how socially weak the US is. You really think the young people in the US are willing to fioght China or Iran or anyone else for that matter. America has a paper tiger army - any major conflict and they will find their soldiers are unwilling to fight.

[PimpinisEasy]

Didn't you hear? Iran has a stronger military than the US according to durka bro.

Correct. The US is a global power that has been relegated to a regional power. It will take decades before you even realise it.

In the UK there are people who still think the UK is somethign resembling the British empire - delusion can be hard to break.

[PimpinisEasy]

We have soldiers stationed there providing training and equipment to Taiwan. Japan also wouldn’t sit by, and Korea might get involved as well if China attempted an invasion. Taiwan is also not a pushover. We’ve seen how hard it’s been for Russia to just cross a highway into Ukraine, let alone an opposed amphibious landing. The world stands by and holds its nose about China, but I really think this would be a bridge too far. China needs to the world buy their crap a lot more than the world needs China.

Japan and Korea are dying socieities.


You will be very shocked with what will happen with China. Westerners have the false notion that they are just the workshop of the world. In reality they will become the engine of all technological development and the Americans will be left with antiquated infrastructure and tech.

Booked my holiday to China this weekend - going to Shaghai Beijing, Ghangzhou and some smaller cities and countryside.

Feel bad for American bros - stuck in street chitting dump that is the US lol.

[miscinbro]

Japan and Korea are dying socieities.


You will be very shocked with what will happen with China. Westerners have the false notion that they are just the workshop of the world. In reality they will become the engine of all technological development and the Americans will be left with antiquated infrastructure and tech.

Booked my holiday to China this weekend - going to Shaghai Beijing, Ghangzhou and some smaller cities and countryside.

Feel bad for American bros - stuck in street chitting dump that is the US lol.

Go outside of areas like the Bund and see the real China. Dirt poor quasi slaves holding up billionaires who travel to America and Europe.

[exxtracool]

The US is a rapidly declining power, I know all your life the US has been the world's main power and therefore it's difficult for you to accept this change - but it will happen regardless of whether you like it or not.

The US is not in a position for a major conflict. The BLM exposed how socially weak the US is. You really think the young people in the US are willing to fioght China or Iran or anyone else for that matter. America has a paper tiger army - any major conflict and they will find their soldiers are unwilling to fight.

The US constantly goes through periods of social retardery, it is what is it. Such is the way of a society with “muh freedom”.

Same with their cities, they go through periods of being great and periods of being crime infested shietholes. Ever seen pictures of nyc in the 80s?


None of tjat is indicative of collapse though, at some point the citizens will get fed up and vote in someone like rudy guiliani to fix it all up.



Me personally idc by the way, even if USA collapses totally, ill just do business with china and chinese companies. Makes no difference to me bruv.

[PimpinisEasy]

Go outside of areas like the Bund and see the real China. Dirt poor quasi slaves holding up billionaires who travel to America and Europe.

Here's my itiniarary, my friend wrote this and my trip is a bit different at the end I drop into Shaghai and Ghangzhou (Fly out of Shaghai so will have two days there and my connection is in Ghangzhou, so will be there for 11 hours):


Fri 18th
8.50pm Direct flight from London Heathrow

Sat 19th
2pm Land Beijing, See summer palace & Temple of Heaven

Sun 20th
8am See Mauseleum Mao, Forbidden city & markets

Mon 21st
7am Great wall tour then train to Shanghai 9.20pm £63 (12 Hour)

Tues 22nd
9.30am arrival explore Shanghai

Wed 23rd
Disneyland or day trip to Suzhou

Thurs 24th
Explore more Shanghai then train to Guilin 5.30pm £46 or £67 (18 hour 50min)

Fri 25th
12.15pm Arrive then visit Red flute cave & elephant trunk hill

Sat 26th
8am Li River Cruise to Yangshou then visit west street and stay 2 nights

Sun 27th
Hike around the area

Mon 28th
Cycle around the area (2hours)
1 hour taxi to Guillin
4pm Train from Guilin £58 (5hr30min) to Chengdu
9.30pm arrive

Tues 29th
Check out the panda reserve
Food tasting tour

Wed 30th
Day trip to Leshan's Giant Buddha
Watch Chinese opera at night

Thurs 31st
7am Train to Xian £36 (3hour10min)
Check out terracotta army
Explore xian

Friday 1st
Day trip Huashan Mountain

Sat 2nd
Take any train back to Chengdu and chill

Sun 3rd
9.30am Flight to Beijing (2hour 30min)
2.15pm Flight to Heathrow (11hour)
5.20pm Land in Heathrow