Can you attain a Mens Physique body naturally?

[zmcdole]

Look, I like your physique and I appreciate you posting.

But don't you ****in dare to come in here and tell me that the thing separating guys like me and guys like you is work.

I'm almost 2 years older than you and I'm not one of those doe-eyed gym rats who will believe anything you say.

Good luck with your career, I sincerely mean that. Just don't expect to be treated with a lot of respect if you're going to perpetuate the lies.

qft^^^^ dude is a liar. I ****ING HATE LYING TURDS LIKE THAT!!!!!! Negs for him reps for you. Just like you DPNZ I've been training for a long time and I too know whats achievable without drugs.

If you need to be quiet about what you do to keep your sponsorship or whatever then do just that. BE QUIET. don't get pissy when you get called out though.

[DPNZ]

qft^^^^ dude is a liar. I ****ING HATE LYING TURDS LIKE THAT!!!!!! Negs for him reps for you. Just like you DPNZ I've been training for a long time and I too know whats achievable without drugs.

If you need to be quiet about what you do to keep your sponsorship or whatever then do just that. BE QUIET. don't get pissy when you get called out though.

That's exactly it. You don't need to outright lie, you just need to keep your mouth shut on the issue. Talk about training, talk about nutrition, talk about your board shorts. Just don't rock up and claim that you're such a massive success and that the thing that got you there (over a guy like me) is just good old fashion elbow grease.

[Devils]

I just wanna know how to build incredible, almost surreal side and rear delts without sticking a pin in my body.

Clearly it's just a simple matter of working harder right? Every true natural I've ever met must be doing it wrong. In some cases, 20+ years of doing it wrong.

Working harder? Don't get me wrong, there are certain things you need to have down before you start progressing, food/sleep/training.

But I didn't really "work hard" for my lower back, I just got lean and there it was. I'm a strong believer in genetics, and for those of us who have great genetic bodyparts, we really don't have to work hard for them at all.

We've all seen it, the guys who only do bench press and have the most amazing chest, the guys who curl every day yet have great biceps, and especially the guy's who quarter squat and never calf raise yet have the best shaped legs in the gym.

I'm not naive, I don't think I'm going to put on 10 lbs of lean mass in the next few years just by "working hard". Working hard doesn't = more mass.

No need to start insulting him there. He's got to market himself. I think that stuff is a necessary part of connecting with an online fan base.

I agree, the guy's got to make a living, and it's not like companies don't lie about their products to get suckers to buy them, that's the foundation of big business.

People are free to do what they want with their money, and if they want to spend it on test boosters marketed by IFBB pro's then good luck to them.

[PillClinton]

You have got to be ****ting me. you're bluntly making up lies now. unless you have me confused with someone. I was born and raised in Belarus, where we have principles and stick to them.

... well, if you look at who you are talking to (jld) it clearly says that he lives in South Africa... and you referred to him as typical american... which he is not...

i was being fairly non-judgemental about whatever the two of you were posting about each other, but i have to tip my hat and admit that your response to me assuming i was talking about you when the context is about someone else is very... stupid

[DanielEver]

I agree, the guy's got to make a living, and it's not like companies don't lie about their products to get suckers to buy them, that's the foundation of big business.

actually I can't recall of any recent example where a company lied about its products

[Devils]

actually I can't recall of any recent example where a company lied about its products

I'm talking specifically about the supplement and bodybuilding business.

[PillClinton]

actually I can't recall of any recent example where a company lied about its products

i prefer to use the term "stretching the truth"

[DanielEver]

i prefer to use the term "stretching the truth"

yes, this is way more correct

[JM3K]

actually I can't recall of any recent example where a company lied about its products

For real? We obviously aren't talking about car exhausts and breaks ... But it's pretty well known supplement and fitness industry is built on a lot of lies. Cell tech won't yield 7lbs of muscle in 7 days nor will some test booster raise t-levels by 150% . Go read a flex magazine and tell me how much you think is true and How many noobs believe it

[DanielEver]

For real? We obviously aren't talking about car exhausts and breaks ... But it's pretty well known supplement and fitness industry is built on a lot of lies. Cell tech won't yield 7lbs of muscle in 7 days nor will some test booster raise t-levels by 150% . Go read a flex magazine and tell me how much you think is true and How many noobs believe it

there're not much lies in this ad for example. it's just made upon an assumption that the final consumer doesn't know anything about training.

[Zachary533]

Is anyone else is the same boat as me and now doesn't know who to believe?


...lol

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[AniMaLizTik]

I believe Maiseu is natural. Someone who is educated and really intune with their bodies can "feel" when they are loosing, gaining fat/muscle and adjust accordingly.

...not to mention if the level of desire, dedication and motivation are top knotch, what's so hard to believe about 5'10'' shredded 190lbs?

Alls I'm saying is you should write people off so quickly just because you know OTHERS who are on gear and look as good as a natural.

[maverickTT1]

in Belarus, where we have principles and stick to them.

Hows that working out for Belarus?

[Coyfitness]

It's really not rocket science.

100% drug free. Not on gear, just come off gear or have ever touched gear.

That's it. No grey areas. Nothing.

If that's not you, you're never allowed to claim you're natural. By any stretch.

I have some nasty stretch marks from lifting, do judges take points of you from stretch marks/tattoos?
I want to cover these up with tattoos what do you guys think?

[RoroCwalker]

I have some nasty stretch marks from lifting, do judges take points of you from stretch marks/tattoos?
I want to cover these up with tattoos what do you guys think?

Covering it up with tattoo is 10x worst.

[DPNZ]

I have some nasty stretch marks from lifting, do judges take points of you from stretch marks/tattoos?
I want to cover these up with tattoos what do you guys think?

Covering it up with tattoo is 10x worst.

What he said. It's much worse having a load of tats. People won't even see those with your tan on. Believe me.

[Got_tickets]

I have some nasty stretch marks from lifting, do judges take points of you from stretch marks/tattoos?
I want to cover these up with tattoos what do you guys think?

Buy yourself a cheap derma roller it got rid of mine in about 3 weeks albeit mine weren't quite as pronounced as that

[PillClinton]

I believe Maiseu is natural. Someone who is educated and really intune with their bodies can "feel" when they are loosing, gaining fat/muscle and adjust accordingly.

...not to mention if the level of desire, dedication and motivation are top knotch, what's so hard to believe about 5'10'' shredded 190lbs?

Alls I'm saying is you should write people off so quickly just because you know OTHERS who are on gear and look as good as a natural.

12,000th post

dayum!

[RoroCwalker]

What he said. It's much worse having a load of tats. People won't even see those with your tan on. Believe me.

And also the idea of having a permanent tattoo to cover something that simply goes away with time/care is crazy.

[Problematique91]

12,000th post

dayum!

That's a lot of postage.

[anonymous]

That's a lot of postage.

I feel kind of bad that he hasn't learned anything in all that time.

What's ironic is I get "juicer" accusations quite often here, and I'm carrying less muscle than the natural boy wonder and most of the ppl onstage with. but at the end of the day its up to him if he feels the need to lie to naive kids online in the hope of one day living the dream ... making $600 a month and a carton of free rtds from some supplement company contract

[AniMaLizTik]

hole up....you feel bad that I havent learned anything?

[TTimmerman]

christ this thread is so far off track it can't see da rails no mo!

to help with the actual thread topic... here's an example of what a NATURAL male physique looks like, 23 years old and 4-5 years of training i believe, this dude actually taught me how to bench press when i started out...

on stage (imo he was a bit flat)

(second from left)


first year this comp is being held here so seriously no one knew how to pose...



here is him one week out in a decent gym shot... looked phenomenal at that point imo



so ye... is a physique like steve cook or "IFBB pro" male physiques achievable natural? imo nope...

[Larfleeze]

Did you ever compete as a natty Tim?

[TTimmerman]

Did you ever compete as a natty Tim?

nope, i might in the future though! (well, depends on if you can call that natty by then, opinions are divided)

[Larfleeze]

nope, i might in the future though! (well, depends on if you can call that natty by then, opinions are divided)

How did your second (well..first) contest go btw? Just noticed the date in your sig was two days ago

[TTimmerman]

How did your second (well..first) contest go btw? Just noticed the date in your sig was two days ago

had to forfait a week out... nose bled again badly and CT scan showed a blood clot behind my eye socket... which is pretty f'ing close to the brain. i'm on my second week of total, total rest... not allowed to do ****. it sucks but i expected to feel worse... social contact after being a recluse for 4 months is bloody awesome

[Larfleeze]

had to forfait a week out... nose bled again badly and CT scan showed a blood clot behind my eye socket... which is pretty f'ing close to the brain. i'm on my second week of total, total rest... not allowed to do ****. it sucks but i expected to feel worse... social contact after being a recluse for 4 months is bloody awesome

That sucks bad man..do you need surgery or anything?

[Zachary533]

Did you ever compete as a natty Tim?

Your mate looks great Tim! I look very similar except your mate is a bit denser/vascular than me in certain areas

[Devils]

Your mate looks great Tim! I look very similar except your mate is a bit denser/vascular than me in certain areas

I wouldn't think that yet mate, you have a while to go. Keep it real