RANT: What's the meaning of life? Mindi and Dr. Phil invite you to discuss.. (Part 6)

[SDFlip]

LOL you say asians

im indian and if someone says asian, i never think to include myself

LOL!

i don't include indians in the "asian" category either.

isn't russia technically in asia, too?

[spirit3530]

Not everyone likes them.

Are you a juggs hater mendee

I think a nice set of b cups are great on the right body. A small d is what it think is really good. Although most women wear straps too big ie

36b when they should be a 32 d

Cup sizes ftw. It happens to american women more than other places though


I am a breastologist. I turned down a seminar at COxford

[SDFlip]

I am a breastologist. I turned down a seminar at COxford

LMAO...... not really. dude, that one was so lame, i cracked up

[Defiant1]

LOL you say asians

im indian and if someone says asian, i never think to include myself

We had a discussion about this in the forum a few years ago. It was Rachel, W8 and I. Apparently, "Oriental" is out. Though I couldn't understand where the offense was coming from.

[demike]

Wrestling bridges plus big head plus genetics plus heavy trap training equals kind of annoying.

Highschool wrestler?? any good?

Its not a coincidence that the on pain from lifting to heavy too often too quickly. Be safe I'd like to see you holding it down for us when you hit 34 with no tears, pinch nerves, sprians or disks.

I would like that very much as well. I plan on it.

chicks with nice calves are rare, but yeah, it looks hawt when they've got 'em

x2

maybe there'll be some calf pics in the future then instead of just shoulder shots?

x2

Okay time for bday party, bbl all..

[mjw8204]

I've tried that before and ended up losing delt "thickness", though (at the time) I hardly felt presses in my delts at all (I was using a bar prior to this).

There are a few guys who do this at my gym (they train side delts with chest and rear delts with back only using raises). They use the chest presses as their "presses". They seem to like it but they are definitely getting help. ifyouknowwhatimeanandithinkyoudo

for me my ant delts grow like crazy so i figured id drop the shoulder press and give just isos a shot

it worked really well, my side delts grew quite a bit, but now it seems like they are just stagnate, im trying to figure out if adding a shoulder press again would give it a boost again

I agree with this^^^

I tried it and I loss what little thickness I had. Now I know that form is key and I can't drop the bb shoulder presses even if they down work stretch and contraction very well for me

This is good to know, because I just started doing exactly what nads described. I started my body part split a couple of weeks ago, and my front delts were so hammered from chest day that I decided to limit my overhead pressing work to a low rep clean/press combo. This past week my delts didn't feel nearly as hammered, so I guess I just needed a little time to adjust to the change.

Looks like I'll probably want to up the reps and volume on the overhead pressing sooner than later.

[spirit3530]

Okay...

now, if I want to say "a lot of Asians have good calves" but I mean Chinese, Japanese, Korean but DON'T mean Indians, how do I say this in todays world?

Nice calves honey

I switched to DB presses with good results, and a cycle of cable side raises really "woke my side delts up".

I also get good results from front raises, including weight increases on my presses.

Yeah if I wasn't doing scott presses I would drop bb and do only db press in addition to my raises.

Of all the bodybuilders I know that worked specifically on their delt size, they've all done presses (e.g. Rich Gaspari, Larry Scott) in addition to doing lots of raises.

Switching to DB presses made a HUGE difference for me.

Larry scott is an inspiration to me

[SDFlip]

We had a discussion about this in the forum a few years ago. It was Rachel, W8 and I. Apparently, "Oriental" is out. Though I couldn't understand where the offense was coming from.

i'm asian and i never took offense to the term "oriental"

i only found out it was supposedly offensive from a white person. go figure.

[mjw8204]

We had a discussion about this in the forum a few years ago. It was Rachel, W8 and I. Apparently, "Oriental" is out. Though I couldn't understand where the offense was coming from.

Asian refers to people; Oriental refers to things.

At least that's what was politically correct a few years ago. It changes so often that eventually it won't be okay to say anything. We'll have to communicate using clicking sounds and facial expressions.

i'm asian and i never took offense to the term "oriental"

i only found out it was supposedly offensive from a white person. go figure.

And now, there are a lot of asses you need to go back and kick.

[spirit3530]

LMAO...... not really. dude, that one was so lame, i cracked up

It was meant to be lame bruh.

This is good to know, because I just started doing exactly what nads described. I started my body part split a couple of weeks ago, and my front delts were so hammered from chest day that I decided to limit my overhead pressing work to a low rep clean/press combo. This past week my delts didn't feel nearly as hammered, so I guess I just needed a little time to adjust to the change.

Looks like I'll probably want to up the reps and volume on the overhead pressing sooner than later.

Yep remember your body doesn't know you weren't trying to hit front delts on those pressing days. So adjust overall pressing with all pressing in mind. That will keep you muscles fresh and not wasting time or reps

[nads786]

Of all the bodybuilders I know that worked specifically on their delt size, they've all done presses (e.g. Rich Gaspari, Larry Scott) in addition to doing lots of raises.

Switching to DB presses made a HUGE difference for me.

see thats the thing, every single bb is doing a shoulder press, im thinking if i combined high volume high rep isos with a shoulder press i might be able to get it going again, but i only feel my anterior delts working with shoulder press and i already have enough of that...

What would you say you were?

Indian American, but then people might think im native american LOL

[spirit3530]

i'm asian and i never took offense to the term "oriental"

i only found out it was supposedly offensive from a white person. go figure.

hmm

Asian refers to people; Oriental refers to things.

At least that's what was politically correct a few years ago. It changes so often that eventually it won't be okay to say anything. We'll have to communicate using clicking sounds and facial expressions.


And now, there are a lot of asses you need to go back and kick.

Hey in Anthro you know there isn't anything such as race ... anth 101

[Tyrbolift]

Asian refers to people; Oriental refers to things.

At least that's what was politically correct a few years ago. It changes so often that eventually it won't be okay to say anything. We'll have to communicate using clicking sounds and facial expressions.

That would be racist for making fun of Hottentots.

[nads786]

We had a discussion about this in the forum a few years ago. It was Rachel, W8 and I. Apparently, "Oriental" is out. Though I couldn't understand where the offense was coming from.

hmm my gf is asian i dont think she would care

i think it depends on the person more then anything


saying oriental is kinda like saying negro i guess? its not racist but its old-timey?

duno

[nads786]

This is good to know, because I just started doing exactly what nads described. I started my body part split a couple of weeks ago, and my front delts were so hammered from chest day that I decided to limit my overhead pressing work to a low rep clean/press combo. This past week my delts didn't feel nearly as hammered, so I guess I just needed a little time to adjust to the change.

Looks like I'll probably want to up the reps and volume on the overhead pressing sooner than later.

i tried the iso route, and honestly it worked really well for me for a while

but the problem for me at least is that its impossible to progress on shoulder isos

and eventually u feel like u need a lil more? doing all isos gets mentally boring

bc there is no "fear" in trying to go for PRs and such

[Defiant1]

i'm asian and i never took offense to the term "oriental"

i only found out it was supposedly offensive from a white person. go figure.

That's what I didn't get. If someone called me "Occidental" or "Mediterranean" it wouldn't offend me at all, especially in the context.

Asian refers to people; Oriental refers to things.

At least that's what was politically correct a few years ago. It changes so often that eventually it won't be okay to say anything. We'll have to communicate using clicking sounds and facial expressions.

That's what I was "informed" of, but didn't agree. Oriental simply means Eastern.

I can see the insult in calling someone "colored" or native Americans "indians", or the associative insult of "wop" or "kyke", I just didn't get the built in insult of "oriental".


Though Wiki is not the ultimate source, some of the points are interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oriental

[spirit3530]

see thats the thing, every single bb is doing a shoulder press, im thinking if i combined high volume high rep isos with a shoulder press i might be able to get it going again, but i only feel my anterior delts working with shoulder press and i already have enough of that...



Indian American, but then people might think im native american LOL

trust me you need to have that "heavier" weight that pressing allows for overload. Easier to hold (static) at barbell of 225 vs lateral with 100lbs

You can however do vary heights of bentover laterals on the incline.

[Mindi912]

Indian American, but then people might think im native american LOL

Ok lost are you Indian born in India or are you Indian born in America before it was invaded but other people?

If you are Indian/India then do you just say you are Indian? (I know you live in America now which makes you American as well)

I've never classed Indians as Asians either, I've always just thought of Indians as Indians.

[SDFlip]

Asian refers to people; Oriental refers to things.

At least that's what was politically correct a few years ago. It changes so often that eventually it won't be okay to say anything. We'll have to communicate using clicking sounds and facial expressions.


And now, there are a lot of asses you need to go back and kick.

if the actual group of people the term is directed at doesn't take offense, then the term is fair game.

another PC term i've never used is african-american. i've always used black and i don't know a black person that has taken offense to being called black.

my wife is black, she doesn't know any person in her family from africa, so why would she call herself african american. my neighbor looks black but his dad is black, his mom is british, and he was born in england but is an american citizen..... what is he? a british-african?

[spirit3530]

i tried the iso route, and honestly it worked really well for me for a while

but the problem for me at least is that its impossible to progress on shoulder isos

and eventually u feel like u need a lil more? doing all isos gets mentally boring

bc there is no "fear" in trying to go for PRs and such

As well as various bent over heights for elbows out rows.

[Mindi912]

I can see the insult in calling someone "colored" or native Americans "indians", or the associative insult of "wop" or "kyke", I just didn't get the built in insult of "oriental".

See in South Africa we have Coloureds and honest if you called them anything else they would be insults because they are Coloured.

They don't want to be called Black nor do they want to be called White.

[Defiant1]

Indian American, but then people might think im native american LOL

East Asian for "Asians"?

South Asian for Indians/Pakistanis etc?

Two things about the "no Orientals" bothered me.

One, I don't understand the insult (would like to if there is one, if not, I hate PC just for the sake of it)

Two, I think that lumping people is MORE insulting, as in the "all you ____ look alike".

[nads786]

Ok lost are you Indian born in India or are you Indian born in America before it was invaded but other people?

If you are Indian/India then do you just say you are Indian? (I know you live in America now which makes you American as well)

I've never classed Indians as Asians either, I've always just thought of Indians as Indians.

born in India came to the US when i was 6

so if someone can call themselves an "italian american"

"indian american" would make sense


get it?

[Mindi912]

born in India came to the US when i was 6

so if someone can call themselves an "italian american"

"indian american" would make sense


get it?

Got it.

[nads786]

trust me you need to have that "heavier" weight that pressing allows for overload. Easier to hold (static) at barbell of 225 vs lateral with 100lbs

You can however do vary heights of bentover laterals on the incline.

can you expand on this? im a lil confused on exactly what your saying

[spirit3530]

I wouldn't suggest you refer to me as colored

[nads786]

East Asian for "Asians"?

South Asian for Indians/Pakistanis etc?

Two things about the "no Orientals" bothered me.

One, I don't understand the insult (would like to if there is one, if not, I hate PC just for the sake of it)

Two, I think that lumping people is MORE insulting, as in the "all you ____ look alike".

I think the whole thing is eh, people in general seem to be way to PC

[SDFlip]

See in South Africa we have Coloureds and honest if you called them anything else they would be insults because they are Coloured.

They don't want to be called Black nor do they want to be called White.

i think i mentioned this a long time ago but my old boss/friend's family was from south africa and he was raised in oklahoma. he was white as could be - blonde, country hick accent..... he would always call himself african-american. it made everyone laugh but he was correct. he'd fill out all his forms like that

[Defiant1]

if the actual group of people the term is directed at doesn't take offense, then the term is fair game.

another PC term i've never used is african-american. i've always used black and i don't know a black person that has taken offense to being called black.

my wife is black, she doesn't know any person in her family from africa, so why would she call herself african american. my neighbor looks black but his dad is black, his mom is british, and he was born in england but is an american citizen..... what is he? a british-african?

lulz

[SDFlip]

See in South Africa we have Coloureds and honest if you called them anything else they would be insults because they are Coloured.

They don't want to be called Black nor do they want to be called White.

my neighbor's wife is from south africa..... i think this is how she explained it:

blacks called blacks and everyone else that's not white called coloured?