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11-07-2012, 02:12 PM #3031Follow my 2018 competition prep here:
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11-07-2012, 02:23 PM #3032
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11-07-2012, 02:31 PM #3034
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11-07-2012, 02:51 PM #3036
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If corporations controlled everything they wouldn't have elected Obama. Why would they? Being taxed more is bad for business, unless you consider Unions corporations which want to use tax dollars for benefits and pensions.
I'm not denying that corporations don't throw money at politicians to gain favor, but if they truly directed this country it wouldn't be headed to where it's going.
I think what directs this country right now is any entity with socialist type agendas, whether it be people, unions, etc.... Taking money from corporations and the "rich" and using it to give things to people who haven't earned it. That is what buys votes. People on disability, food stamps, gov pensions, health care etc... getting all this for free without even paying taxes themselves or at least contributing very little.Transformation Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=170068283&page=1
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11-07-2012, 02:54 PM #3037
I do not even want to open that can of worms at all.
Brb lets attack Iraq and Afghanistan, for what exactly. For a CIA trained friend that is living in Pakistan, but we will go and bomb Afghanistan because we need to put our friend as a President there to secure oil lines and opium. Then lets go attack Iraq because they have WMDs. Yeehawwwww lets kill all the brown evil Muslims they attacked America, fukkk yeah.
I cant stand these ignorant fuking retards that have never left their trailer park or read a book.
yes jimmis rustled.
Oh yeah voting for Romney cause he isnt a black Muslim, on top of that lets make up some stupid elections and make the sheep think that their votes actually count. But still we do what we want.EX YU Mafia #1 ----Cant Touch Us----
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11-07-2012, 02:54 PM #3038
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11-07-2012, 02:58 PM #3040
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11-07-2012, 03:00 PM #3041
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11-07-2012, 03:04 PM #3042
My company is as pro Obama as it could be. Our CEO actually told the company we should all vote for Obama. My guess is he's so rich (and I don't mean $250K a year rich, I mean "I have more money than I can think how to spend" rich) that he doesn't care how much he pays for taxes, he's still going to be too rich for his own good. Or maybe all his money comes from capital gain and he doesn't care what happens to income taxes. Or he has really god lawyers that help him take advantage of all loopholes. It's a pretty interesting thing though.
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11-07-2012, 03:04 PM #3043EX YU Mafia #1 ----Cant Touch Us----
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11-07-2012, 03:05 PM #3044
So Goldman Sachs believed equally with Obama and Romney?
The point isn't losing hope or not. It is about learning that the current two party system is flawed and you need to look for alternatives. Reach past the reality chosen for you and research for truth. Work for change and become involved. Learning the truth shouldn't make a person hopeless. It should make them mad enough to get out there and start working to build up real canindates.Back In the Driver Seat with ErgoDrive
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11-07-2012, 03:08 PM #3045
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What do you mean real candidate? Mitt Romney had a lifetime of success building up businesses and handling budgets. His qualifications were perfect for getting the economy going and creating jobs.
He cares about people too, not just businesses. He donates more money to charity each year than Obama, Ryan, or Biden.Transformation Log: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=170068283&page=1
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11-07-2012, 03:10 PM #3046
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11-07-2012, 03:12 PM #3047
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11-07-2012, 03:22 PM #3048
He isn't ok with giving his money away. There is something in it for him. Who knows. Maybe he will shut his business down to sip Mai Tais on the beach while we are all enjoying our "free" shyt.
I saw the chairman of the board for the company I work for and I'll tell you he was surly about the election results. Corporations are going to be taxed tremendously if Obama succeeds.
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11-07-2012, 03:25 PM #3049
I dont think the extremely weatlhy worry about their taxes.
My boss donates Billions of dollars and doesnt give a crap about it, chit recently he got 50+ billions from another dude to give away lol.EX YU Mafia #1 ----Cant Touch Us----
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11-07-2012, 03:28 PM #3050Follow my 2018 competition prep here:
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11-07-2012, 03:32 PM #3051
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I saw this in a local paper and unfortunately it's not the first I've heard of it. I think many companies will be changing employee hours from 40 hrs to 30 hrs per week to pay for the new health care mandates. It's an interesting read and I wonder how often it will popup over the next year or so.
My company just takes it straight out of our paychecks to pay for it. So that's an alternative to the above situation. I don't think many people would be happy being forced to have $100 taken out of their paycheck either though.
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Small companies can't provide health insurance for all their employees
There are now penalties for not providing health care for full time employees, so hours will be cut form 40 to 30 to get around this
Can't afford to jack up prices etc... to cover the costs to pay for healthcare, so it's either do this or go out of business.
Companies with more than 50 people have even greater penalties, so business will sold of or cut down to avoid these "larger business" penalties as well.
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"I had a difficult conversation with my restaurant managers this week.
I began by letting them know that they are free to support any candidate they want, and I acknowledged that they may have other reasons to support a different candidate. And I certainly wouldn’t take any action against them if they voted different than me.
I also admitted that I am not an expert on Obamacare, but I have read a great deal of the ACA, attended webinars and seminars, researched current publications, and sought counsel from my accountants and attorneys.
I wanted to let my managers know how a re-election of Obama would affect them directly.
I’d be remiss if Obama won, and then I surprised them with some bad news.
My premise is that if Obama is re-elected, then Obamacare is almost certainly going to stay in place.
So I would take immediate action to enable my company to survive.
I will go out of business if I have to absorb the insurance mandates or fines. My banks won’t let me simply skip their bank payments — the added costs would cause me to violate their debt coverage rules, so they could foreclose and shut me down.
And, I don’t believe that I can simply jack up my prices in this fragile economy.
So, if Obama wins:
I cannot afford to put 341 employees on this plan as will be required, so I must end it before 2013.
Immediately, managers would have to cut back hours of all employees who work over 30 hours a week. Fines are particularly harsh for “full-time” employees.
By the end of the year, managers would have to cut 10percent of the hours they schedule for employees. Employees will have to get the same amount of work done in less time. I need to cut my costs so that I can cover the insurance mandates without violating my loan covenants.
By the end of the year, we would reduce the size of monthly, quarterly and annual profit sharing bonuses to all managers and their assistants. Again, this is an effort to cut costs.
By 2014, 2/3 of my stores will be sold off. We must try to cut staff below 50 employees so that we can avoid the “large employer” penalties.
Many managers will lose their jobs as stores are sold.
There will be less ability to grow into career jobs with high wages.
I have spoken with several other business owners who are preparing for this same strategy. My managers and employees won’t gain much by leaving my employment, because they’ll find the same situation everywhere."Last edited by Wyomann; 11-07-2012 at 03:38 PM.
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11-07-2012, 03:33 PM #3052
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11-07-2012, 03:35 PM #3053
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11-07-2012, 03:43 PM #3054
If some of the money goes to help those that need it, then I care and its fine. If the money goes to invade illegal wars and attack people we have absolutely no reason attacking and murdering, then I do not want them taking my money.
Its very simple for me. And to think Romney was talking about attacking Iran too, whats going to happen when we come back with our tails between our legs like we did in Vietnam. You attack enough countries and people the hammer comes down on you, what happened to the Germans Nazis?
Trillions of dollars wasted on wars, and what have we acheived, that is trillions, not billions, trillions that could have helped this country greatly, schools, social structure, infrastracture etc etc.
Im tired of driving on ****ty roads and hoping my wheels dont crack.EX YU Mafia #1 ----Cant Touch Us----
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11-07-2012, 04:34 PM #3055
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MMM lots of dead horses to be flogged in here, oh where to start..... no.... best not.
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11-07-2012, 04:59 PM #3056
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11-07-2012, 05:00 PM #3057EX YU Mafia #1 ----Cant Touch Us----
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11-07-2012, 05:12 PM #3058
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That has already been happening in my area for the past year or so. I live in a heavy industrial area where people used to work 60 hours per week, now most are 30 hours or less and hurting trying to make ends meet. The sad fact is that at 30 hours per week they make to much for any government assisstance, but still cannot pay their bills. My house has lost over 125,000 dollars in property value over the past four years because so many around me have been foreclosed on. The unemployment rate here is over 12 percent and will rise dramatically over the next term.
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11-07-2012, 06:34 PM #3059
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Why not? the people voted Obama not the corporations ... they don't really care who wins
because they know laws are made and passed in the senate, if you look at who contributed money and to who you will see that the same corporations contribute to both parties/candidates
they never commit to one or the other candidate unless absolutely sure of the winner/...
here's a list of some of the contributors of Obama's campaign..
University of California $1,648,685
Goldman Sachs $1,013,091
Harvard University $878,164
Microsoft Corp $852,167
Google Inc $814,540
JPMorgan Chase & Co $808,799
Citigroup Inc $736,771
Time Warner $624,618
Sidley Austin LLP $600,298
Stanford University $595,716
National Amusements Inc $563,798
WilmerHale LLP $550,668
Columbia University $547,852
Skadden, Arps et al $543,539
UBS AG $532,674
*** Corp $532,372
General Electric $529,855
US Government $513,308
Morgan Stanley $512,232
Latham & Watkins $503,295
check out how much money
was raised by both in 2012
Obama $632,177,423
Rommney $389,088,268
guess who really corporations wanted to win? if they didn't like obama as you say he would have raise very little money for his campaign
they know Obama is liked by the people , they knew who the next president was going to be and they knew where to put their money
the market reaction was very predictable .. these drops are called opportunities by the big guys on WSLast edited by BrotherWolf; 11-07-2012 at 06:40 PM.
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11-07-2012, 06:50 PM #3060
Jimmies Rustled by some asshat doing donuts in the culdesac leading to my apartments entrance at 3am while blasting mariachi music
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