Warning to all BSN NO Xplod and Nitrix users!

[fxgarcia77]

Hello everyone, I am a new member to bodybuilding.com but ive been visiting the site for quite some time now because of all the great info and helpful advice. Ive been working out for about 2 years and had minimal gains mostly because im always busy at work or school. To make a long story short I started the mass stack in October of 2005 and it worked great or so I thought. About one month ago I got a real nasty soar throat and had to go see a doctor.(I was sick for most of the holiday season). I informed my doctor that I was taking NO2 and she said that it lowered my immune system and that I probably never got over my sickness. I started to develop dizzy spells during my whole sickness and it got worse my second time around. I thought maybe it was stress or allergies. I started seeing floaters and blurryness in my left eye, and gradually it got worse. During this whole time im going to the doctor constantly because im freaking out. I finally got a referral to an opthamologist and he immediatley referred me to a retina specialist. Basically what had happened is that I suffered a stroke in my eye. The retina specialist said that the NO2 could be the reason why since it is a vasodilator and now my vision is all f!@#d up. I am only posting this message to inform people of the risks that come with taking any form of NO2. I hope that no one ever has to go through what I have gone through in the last month because its been a nightmare. I stopped lifting, Ive lost 18 lbs, im depressed, but with the help and love of my family and faith, Im starting to put myself back together. I hope this message gets across to everyone who takes the time to read it.

[Temp]

Wow...thats insane man!
Sorry to hear about your experience. I hope it all works out for you!
Are you sure it was from the NO though?
Just asking cause I tend to think the Doc's don't know as much as they are all hyped up to know
Either way...I hope your feeling better!

[omega47]

Wow...how long have you been taking NO2 products? hope you get better man

[fxgarcia77]

Wow...thats insane man!
Sorry to hear about your experience. I hope it all works out for you!
Are you sure it was from the NO though?
Just asking cause I tend to think the Doc's don't know as much as they are all hyped up to know
Either way...I hope your feeling better!

thanx a lot! I wasnt sure if posting my experience was a good idea but if my message gets to at least one person, then im glad I did it. The doctor said it could have been. He seemed to know a lot about nitric oxide and the scientists who won the Nobel prize for its discovery in humans. He asked me first if ive ever taken Viagra and I said no but then I told him about the NO2 and he said not to take it cuz its very powerful.

[fxgarcia77]

Wow...how long have you been taking NO2 products? hope you get better man

I started in October 2005 first with Pump Tech from Muscle Tech then BSN Mass Stack around January.thanx for the support!

[k04]

I have to say that really sucks hope you get better man.

[hvit]

Jeez, I have one floater in my left eye...I hope my retina isn't screwed up. I still have 20/20, but I'd rather not do what you did.

[carlos305]

nothing in this world is completely safe..

which sucks..

wish u luck pana.

[Action Hero]

There's a possibility you were taking too much NO2. The mass stack has tons of it. Honestly if I were you I'd leave the NO2 alone but for everyone else I sugguest using maybe Nitrix alone with a caffine pill and some non NO2 creatine.

-Nate

[TRIBESTAN]

Hello everyone, I am a new member to bodybuilding.com but ive been visiting the site for quite some time now because of all the great info and helpful advice. Ive been working out for about 2 years and had minimal gains mostly because im always busy at work or school. To make a long story short I started the mass stack in October of 2005 and it worked great or so I thought. About one month ago I got a real nasty soar throat and had to go see a doctor.(I was sick for most of the holiday season). I informed my doctor that I was taking NO2 and she said that it lowered my immune system and that I probably never got over my sickness. I started to develop dizzy spells during my whole sickness and it got worse my second time around. I thought maybe it was stress or allergies. I started seeing floaters and blurryness in my left eye, and gradually it got worse. During this whole time im going to the doctor constantly because im freaking out. I finally got a referral to an opthamologist and he immediatley referred me to a retina specialist. Basically what had happened is that I suffered a stroke in my eye. The retina specialist said that the NO2 could be the reason why since it is a vasodilator and now my vision is all f!@#d up. I am only posting this message to inform people of the risks that come with taking any form of NO2. I hope that no one ever has to go through what I have gone through in the last month because its been a nightmare. I stopped lifting, Ive lost 18 lbs, im depressed, but with the help and love of my family and faith, Im starting to put myself back together. I hope this message gets across to everyone who takes the time to read it.

I have some NO2 free samples from Arnold Classic Expo , and I'v tried some of them. I do not have big problems with my vision, but sometimes I feel that my vision is not like he used to be before,and on my physical for pre employment I'v had lower score than usually have.
Thank you Bro for sharing your experience. That NO2 **** is in garbage can already.

[Action Hero]

I'm getting back into training but I'm off the stuff myself. I use a basic protein drink, probably ON, Iron Tek or Higer Power, and one gram of creatine per work out day, that's all for me. I may even do some Musle Milk.

-Nate

[keal]

I know most doctors give a standard lecture about staying away from any sort of weightlifting supplements. My doc tells me some people are just sensitive to some of the ingredients - not deadly, but usually gives you high blood pressure, dizzy spells... things that go away if you stop supplementing.

Her main gripe with most of her patients has been that guys tend to strain harder and try to lift heavier weights than they can manage because they think they can do it when they're taking bodybuilding supplements. Weakening blood vessels, damaging joints... usually stuff that's irreversable.

When I first took No-Xplode, it gave me so much energy that I upped my workout sessions from 2 to 4 times a day. My body kept cycling through stages of fatigue some days, then good lifting gains on others. I started getting dizzy spells - doc pulled me off of all supplements, but cited No-Xplode might be the main culprit.

Months later, she attributed my dizzy spells to the rapid change in the amount of time I worked out and that my body was struggling to keep up. So the No-Xplode was safe in my case - I had to learn to listen to my body and to not force myself to workout.

Currently I'm not taking anything other than a good multivitamin, and a multi-oil pill (omega 3,6,9). I'm still having great gains. I do miss the No-Xplode rush, though

I also run into a lot of old weightlifters who, in their 70's and 80's are having joint problems, weak blood vessels, shoulder problems, etc... and constantly get lectured about lifting sensibly.

My mom lost the sight of her left eye - she had a stroke in the eye, docs don't know what caused it. She said she saw small flashes of light the days before her vision started going bad. When she lost the sight, she didn't even realize it for a day or so. Her brain sort of made her see through her right eye like she was looking out of both.

Thinking an eye stroke can happen to anyone, I'm now taking eye vitamins. Just in case...

I'll pray that your sight improves, garcia!

And those of you doing supplements hardcore... take it easy in the gym. Lift hard, lift safe

[TheIrishDizz]

i can see what you are saying about no-xplode somewhat

i have been taking it for 2 weeks now and only once i have had a problem when i went too much for a long set of reps 1 rep about 20 it was intense and i got up i wasnt all that dizzy but something was there type deal in my left eye it was felt wierd but i got through ithe next day ill prolyl conitue taking it tho. until something further happens.

[keal]

Jeez, I have one floater in my left eye...I hope my retina isn't screwed up. I still have 20/20, but I'd rather not do what you did.

From what I know, floaters are safe if you mean it's the kind that you see when you stare at a white surface and it looks like transparent little threads moving around. Those are remnants from while you were growing in your first nine months (before being born). I was born with a lazy left eye and had corrective surgery when I was 3. I have more floaters than the usual person because of it (from what I remember my eye doctor telling me) and a huge surgery scar behind my eye that freaks out any eye doctor if I forget to explain it to them the first time they give me an exam

[TheIrishDizz]

LEFT EYE

dam i read it again and its the same i had some problems with but its only when i lift heavy other than that i dont have a problems. i take no-xplode and protein and also one a day active multivitamin and thats it. i dislocated my shoulder many times times so i cant go heavy with everything btu when i did i felt it when iw as done. nothing to be worried about yet i think to myself and hopefully it wont. im starting a new rwegiment next week so if anyhting happens ill let you know.

[mikeizlike]

Yea I get floaters every now and then too. They look like little strands floating in the air. I am against NO supplements bc no one really knows if it is damaging to your body or not, no long term studies unlike creatine

[in10city]

Hello everyone, I am a new member to bodybuilding.com but ive been visiting the site for quite some time now because of all the great info and helpful advice. Ive been working out for about 2 years and had minimal gains mostly because im always busy at work or school. To make a long story short I started the mass stack in October of 2005 and it worked great or so I thought. About one month ago I got a real nasty soar throat and had to go see a doctor.(I was sick for most of the holiday season). I informed my doctor that I was taking NO2 and she said that it lowered my immune system and that I probably never got over my sickness. I started to develop dizzy spells during my whole sickness and it got worse my second time around. I thought maybe it was stress or allergies. I started seeing floaters and blurryness in my left eye, and gradually it got worse. During this whole time im going to the doctor constantly because im freaking out. I finally got a referral to an opthamologist and he immediatley referred me to a retina specialist. Basically what had happened is that I suffered a stroke in my eye. The retina specialist said that the NO2 could be the reason why since it is a vasodilator and now my vision is all f!@#d up. I am only posting this message to inform people of the risks that come with taking any form of NO2. I hope that no one ever has to go through what I have gone through in the last month because its been a nightmare. I stopped lifting, Ive lost 18 lbs, im depressed, but with the help and love of my family and faith, Im starting to put myself back together. I hope this message gets across to everyone who takes the time to read it.

If you don't mind me asking, what is your weight and do you know what your blood pressure is?

Don't quote me on this, but I think this medical condition is the same thing that users of ED meds have reported.

[bignpisst]

Thanks for the post. Something to think about.

[BoiseLifer]

Thanks for the heads up. Sorry to hear about your experience. =\

[Animal77]

ive been using bulk arginine alpha ketogluterate.ive seen floaters but ive seen them long before any no2 product.ive only seen them during intense straining.
an unexpected side effect is it lowered my blood pressure (i was pre hypertension ).and releived my chronic headaches. im also very sceptical of the fda and most western doctors.

[HOVAFAN100]

actually no2 gets me really dizzy, I thought I was just having a funny work out.

[Uriah37]

Fight back FX, that is some messed up stuff that happened to you and wheather it is the NO or not i don't know, i researched some stuff on NO and it may be possible that overdosing on the stuff can cause brain damage, alot of time certain things in a small percentage of people react wrongly to supplements, i know guys on NO Explode who have had no problems, but with your story and my reasearch i have decided to drop NO, there are plenty of gains to be made on just good old protein, vitamins, good eating and creatine, which also gets a bad rep some times, but i take it in less than recommended doses, and everything i have read bad about creatine seems to be from people who overdose it or already had some internal problems. Keep lifting, God Bless you and i pray you'll recover from any set backs

[Shutup]

Sorry to hear about your experience.

I have a question: Did the doc give you any medications when you were sick for so long?

[Forge]

Sorry to hear about your experience. On the positive side I'm glad you forged new 'inner-strength' from your experience, which in my opinion is even better than packing on more muscle mass. I recently bought San Vault and because of your message I'll only take it on workout days which is currently twice/week as far as weight training goes. In my experience supplements assist me when the components of proper rest, exercise or diet are in order. Otherwise they are bandaids at best. I have had a bad experience with prohormones and threw two unopened bottles in the garbage after dealing with unwanted side-effects and after weighing the cost versus benefits.
God bless.

[elargentino]

Hello everyone, I am a new member to bodybuilding.com but ive been visiting the site for quite some time now because of all the great info and helpful advice. Ive been working out for about 2 years and had minimal gains mostly because im always busy at work or school. To make a long story short I started the mass stack in October of 2005 and it worked great or so I thought. About one month ago I got a real nasty soar throat and had to go see a doctor.(I was sick for most of the holiday season). I informed my doctor that I was taking NO2 and she said that it lowered my immune system and that I probably never got over my sickness. I started to develop dizzy spells during my whole sickness and it got worse my second time around. I thought maybe it was stress or allergies. I started seeing floaters and blurryness in my left eye, and gradually it got worse. During this whole time im going to the doctor constantly because im freaking out. I finally got a referral to an opthamologist and he immediatley referred me to a retina specialist. Basically what had happened is that I suffered a stroke in my eye. The retina specialist said that the NO2 could be the reason why since it is a vasodilator and now my vision is all f!@#d up. I am only posting this message to inform people of the risks that come with taking any form of NO2. I hope that no one ever has to go through what I have gone through in the last month because its been a nightmare. I stopped lifting, Ive lost 18 lbs, im depressed, but with the help and love of my family and faith, Im starting to put myself back together. I hope this message gets across to everyone who takes the time to read it.

Hi Garcia! Your post really leave me thinking about NO2. I was thinking to start consuming it for the first time, but your post have really opened my eyes. First of all, I really wish you are better by now, really...

I would also like to ask you 2 specific questions. I would be very pleased if you can answer them:

1) You wrote: "The retina specialist said that the NO2 could be the reason why since it is a vasodilator and now my vision is all f!@#d up.". My question is: did the retina specialist specify the sequence of actions that lead a vasodilator like NO2 to f@ck up your vision? I understand NO2 is a vasodilator, I also understand you develop a vision problem probably from it, but I cannot understand the relationship VASODILATOR - VISION PROBLEMS. I hope you can clarify it for me.

2) Are you better now?

Thanks Garcia for your post, it's very important for all of us. Hope you are better.

[fxgarcia77]

I just want to take the time to thank everyone for their support and prayers, its really helped me a lot. well i guess i can answer a few questions the ones that i remember at least. to start with, I was only taking the recomended dosage of NO2 on my workout days only. my specialist did not really give me a sequence of events that led up to my problems. he only said that the NO2 may have caused the stroke in my eye. he also said it could have been stress or it could just be that it happened for no reason. all i know is that when i started taking NO2, the mass stack specifically, is when i started to develop vision problems and i ignored it far too long. i passed it off as allergies or stress and i think if i did the right thing and got checked out, it wouldnt have gotten as bad as it did. I am much better now thank you. after they injected my eye to stop the bleeding and reduce the swelling, i got back most of my vision, but it is still blurry. some days more than others but im getting on w/my life. ive gone back to the gym and i got my appetite back so i guess thats good. i cannot get used to it though and all i can do is hope that it clears up. my specific diagnosis is called central retinal vein occlusion in case anyone wants more info on that.it is supposedly one of the side effects that ED users suffer.and i guess thats why my specialist asked if i ever used viagra or the other ones.again i want to thank everyone for the support and prayers and im glad to know that my message has helped at least some people make some important decisions about what they put in their bodies.cuz we dont know how our bodies will react to the supplements.thanx everyone again and god bless you all!

[sublimejeh]

Actually I had a similar, but less severe reaction. I was using NO products for about 6 months and got 4-5 dizzy spells out of nowhere within 1 month. I stopped using the products and had none after that. I also never had a dizzy spell prior to using the products

[ThaLastOG]

it says on the back of Nitrix and NO-Plode use for 12 weeks and then stop for 4 weeks and then 12 weeks /again for a reason

[ThaLastOG]

it says on the back of Nitrix and NO-XPlode use for 12 weeks and then stop for 4 weeks and then 12 weeks /again for a reason

[JoeBarry]

wow - thanks for posting garcia. I have been on No-Xplode for about 2 months now. The energy effect went away after about 1 month, but the pump effect is still active for me - at least I think its from No-Xplode. I do notice that I have been dizzy in the gym and didn't know why. I just figured i was pushing it hard. Which of course I probably am.

I have enough eye problems with my extraordinarily really bad vision - corrected by gas permeable contacts with a high prescription, but still. You've convinced me to go off it. Thanks. You just may have saved me from having similar problems.

I hope things work out for you. Sounds like you are doing better and better.