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09-27-2012, 04:35 AM #31
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09-27-2012, 04:36 AM #32
You do know 9/11 kinda kills that theory right? It may not be a traditional military invasion but then again there doesn't need to be. That was 3k+ people killed in a matter of a few hours. I somewhat agree with OP, all what they're doing over there in the middle east is doing is making us new enemies to pull more 9/11's in the future. There's really no justification for us having been in Iraq to begin with and look at how that turned out, over a million of them dead and with a hatred for us something fierce. In a few years they'll be the ones flying planes into buildings over here.
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09-27-2012, 04:37 AM #33
Freedom from what OP? We have freedom from being worried about getting over-run by other countries or even attacked on our home land. Having a great military keeps the bad guys away from it's citizens. Many people go to war so that their families can live peacefully at home. Not saying I agree with the way things are run now, but you can't disagree that many countries fear us, which right now is more important than hate.
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09-27-2012, 04:37 AM #34
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09-27-2012, 04:40 AM #35
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We need oil for freedom, the brown people have oil, so the military shoots the brown people, therefore they're protecting our freedom.
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09-27-2012, 04:40 AM #36
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09-27-2012, 04:42 AM #37
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09-27-2012, 04:42 AM #38
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09-27-2012, 04:42 AM #39
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lol this.
LOL @ being proud of having a strong military
brb trillions spent on the military. wasted
2012 and dumb ****s still killing each other over pointless garbage
brb i dont believe in your religion so im gonna bomb you.
brb made fun of our prophet, bombing
brb invading other countries
brb cavemen logic
brb wasting trillions sitting in a poverty country for 10+ years to find and kill 1 man
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09-27-2012, 04:44 AM #40
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09-27-2012, 04:44 AM #41
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09-27-2012, 04:50 AM #42
The most common justification - following orders. Second to that - fighting the axis of evil.
It definitely is a loaded question but so is any question on the misc which calls into account the actions of the US military.
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That is my question to you. Freedom from what exactly? And I agree that having a substantial military power does deter other countries for attacking your soil, but that still doesnt answer my question. How does invading another country help protect the freedoms of US citizens?
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09-27-2012, 04:53 AM #43
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09-27-2012, 04:55 AM #44
Frizzel,
I believe the real answer lies within profit and agenda.
If I were an arms manufacturer/military supplier in some way, I would want the military to be used indefinitely as this means for me a constant stream of profit. Whether this be by supplying weapons, ammunition, military vehicles/aircraft etc... or even something as small as the food/clothes they get.
Agenda would be to further spread 'democracy' (taking over as many places as you can) for whatever reasons they might have.
Whoever is supplying the military and the people with specific agendas would both lobby in Washington to go to war or enter a military conflict every chance they get.
For the average joe on the street and 99.99% of the people on this forum they would say 'they are protecting our freedom' or 'keeping us safe'. If I were an arms manufacturer I would be more than happy to have these people support my country, same can be said for the people who with other agendas.
I believe this can occur only on the scale it has because of the way the people are in the US.
- Overly patriotic
- The military is looked upon as Gods
- Probably the most gullible citizens in the western world.
- USA...USA...USA.... need I say more.
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09-27-2012, 04:58 AM #45
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09-27-2012, 05:04 AM #46
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09-27-2012, 05:09 AM #47
I'll give an example from my everyday personal life, the other day me and some friends were casually walking down the street (i live in a mid-sized city), and out of no where this guy jumps out the bushes with an AK47 shouting out us in some kind of foreign tongue and then he started shouting in English for us to shut up, quit talking. I'm like WTF bro, freedom of speech, hello?. Just then a team of army rangers repels out of a blackhawk flying overhead, and they quickly shoot the guy in both hands so he drops the AK47 and then they take the man captive for questioning.
freedom=protected
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09-27-2012, 05:14 AM #48
The saying that the military protects our freeing is patriotic/goes back to days were there was an actual threat of oppression. (England before the Revolution, German/Japan for WWI and WWII, etc.) The idea of a foreign country 'invading' and conquering is amusing, but realistically it can't happen in America. Its simply not economically viable for the 'invading' country. I guess you can say that add a level of deterrence though.
As for the theory that our current military/their actions are putting us in greater danger, well, that's laughable. America and European nations had been relatively peaceful for years yet terrorist attacks (like 9/11 and the other attacks in Europe) have occurred. Personally I think the chances of terrorist attacks on US soil is greatly diminished when our troops are overseas kicking ass. Simply put they are too busy trying to defend the home turf to plan out/mount a major offensive in America.
If you are one of the people who believes 9/11 was the US government that's fine. I guess you'd have to also assume the attacks in Europe are funded by the countries that they occurred in as well... If that's your line of belief have at it. If you think that evil people/terrorists don't exist I suggest you read about Beslan. Bottom line is there are people out there that need to be killed... You let them rest up for too long and they'll come for you when your guard is down.
You don't have to actively be "oppressing" them for them to want you dead... The fact that you have a different culture/set of laws/religion is enough.
Bottom line is war is hell and I applaud our soldiers for getting out there and doing what needs to be done. The world isn't some happy peaceful place. And sitting around and minding our own business won't keep us safe either.
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09-27-2012, 05:18 AM #49
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09-27-2012, 05:20 AM #50
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09-27-2012, 05:25 AM #51
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09-27-2012, 05:26 AM #52
I agree with everything you are saying but it doesnt really answer what Im asking in my op.
I dont even know where to begin. :/
Agreed. No one in their right minds would invade the US. Not only would it turn it very badly for them, there would be global economic ramifications if it did happen and it would be worse than the great depression.
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09-27-2012, 05:27 AM #53
If u lived here for a month and could see the amount of bullsht "support our troops" propaganda u would understand why the masses think this way. My parents generation is so brainwashed when it comes to this topic it's pathetic. And unfortunately they've helped to carry on the brainwashing in a large percentage of the younger generation.
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09-27-2012, 05:47 AM #54
OP, I won't answer your OP as I don't know the answer.
But I'll say why I think Australia and the other smaller nations are in there. I see it as giving "protection money" to the U.S so we don't get fuked up by a hostile country in the future. Obiviously no one would dream of invading the US given its current state but for a country like Australia with a tiny population with a giant piece of land to protect, it is impossible to do it by ourselves.
Therefore we need to show support to the world superpower so that they will protect us if and when the time comes. If that means going to sh*tholes in pointless wars then so be it. While our troops are not directly protecting our national security, they are ensuring that no country thinks about fuking with us as our alliance with the US will ensure that they will get fuked up.Triathlon brah!
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09-27-2012, 05:51 AM #55
"Brown ppl want to kill u cos they're jealous of your freedom"
Is this actual real life grown people logic??? :s
brb it used to be japanese
brb then it was cubans
brb it's currently middle east
brb what area of the world is gone be the next big boogieman?
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09-27-2012, 05:55 AM #56
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09-27-2012, 05:56 AM #57
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09-27-2012, 05:57 AM #58
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09-27-2012, 06:00 AM #59
I always refer to these when someone tries to put the U.S. government above trying to incite support for a war by lying and terrorizing it's own citizens. really irks me when people have such a blind trust for an entity comprised of people we don't know.
OP, it's simple. A military, no matter what country it's defending, is a deterrent of acts of war. It is and has always been like this. Are our motives justifiable in the middle east? I'm not even sure at this point....*Trading and investing crew*
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09-27-2012, 06:01 AM #60
It doesn't.
The military is sold to the american public as what you've stated, but in reality it's used to destabilize countries and make a lot of money.
Heres reality OP whether you choose to believe it or not.“To have faith is to trust yourself to the water. When you swim you don't grab hold of the water, because if you do you will sink and drown. Instead you relax, and float.” ― Alan Watts
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