Asshat Middle Schoolers Torment Older Lady on Bus

[V-240]

One of my ******** friends just posted that the woman, Karen Klein, will speak live tonight in about ten minutes on KKSF 910-AM (SF Bay Area). That station is available on the I Heart Radio app.

[MiamiSpartan]

The parents should be strung up...

[V-240]

The parents should be strung up...

She just said during the radio interview that the dad of one of the kids came to her to apologize about his son, and he is completely embarrassed and ashamed of his son's behaviour.

When asked by the radio host if she would ever want to meet with any of the kids in person, she politely said no.

Too soon, I guess.. lol

[StressMonkey]

I couldn't watch more than a minute of that.

A lot of people don't like technology, but because of it the world saw what was happening to this woman.

I also wonder what the limits of her power were, as outlined by the school. Personally, I would've quickly transitioned to "i'll find another job" but it would be interesting to know what she had to work with from a policy perspective.

I would too, but she's a senior citizen making $15k a year. Her options are almost certainly severely limited. Well, they were before the Internet crowd did something about it.

[thoffland]

Damn, even to this day the notion of respecting your elders still sits very strongly with me. I could never imagine treating anyone else like this.

[V-240]

Yeah, I quit watching after one minute. I wanted to push the monitor off the desk!

Middle school kids in packs are idiots.

[IronCharles]

I couldn't watch more than a minute of that.

Yeah, I quit watching after one minute.

You guys missed the worst parts. They actually threatened to stab her, have sex with her, and rob her house. She certainly has grounds for legal action, if she so chooses.

[Sami76]

when my son was in third grade a runaway baseball went thru the neighbors garage window.. I stood on the porch and looked at him. His head was down and he knew he had done something wrong. I walked over to the neighbor's house and we knocked on the door. I said my son has something he needs to say to you and then I turned and looked at him..He told him what he had done and that he was really sorry. His allowance was handed over to pay for a new window.

So simple, right? Yet some parents want to protect their child (from what? from learning the meaning of responsibility? I don't know) rather than seeing a situation like that as a teaching opportunity. These parents aren't seeing the forest for trees.

[Sami76]

Almost 600k now, with 29 days to go, lol!

And these kids are now under police protection. They confiscated their phones, and one kid has gotten over 1000 angry messages, with numerous death threats.

600K! Wow, that is something! Lots of caring people in the world.

I wouldn't wish death threats on these kids, but I hope they're learning a lesson from all this.

[Brackneyc]

Are we really surprised at this? It has been acceptable to mess and make fun of fat people since there were fat people. There are television shows about fat people, and the government has even vowed to restrict what they can eat/drink by way of laws.

Of course it sucks that this happened, but it sucks "anytime" a fat person gets ridiculed by people.

The only difference here (as compared to other days) was the videotape.

Oh, and don't waste your time worrying about what the parents will do....where do you think kids learn how to act.

Of course, it appears that we will do what we have always done to "fix" most problems....we will give her some money.

[thomashenry]

It`s obvious civility & decency, not too mention respect is lost in Society, more and more we see it, from all aspects, obvious the MEDIA thrives upon it and in this day where virtually any behavior is tolearted & can go viral in a heartbeat where everyone is an instant celeb, some role models we have that garner the spotlight, personally I would suspend those kids from EVER riding a bus again till they graduate, I would make their PARENTS drive them, or they could Walk or whatever, no matter how much of an inconveinence it is to them, and my response would be TOO BAD, teach the bastards right & wrong maybe the cretins could car pool !

[erinlee01]

I'm surprised at how many people want legal action taken. No doubt, what the kids did was wrong and they deserve to be punished. But to have a criminal record for something that they did when they were 13? I remember what it was like to be 13 and while I didn't push legal limits, I certainly knew those that did. I'm sure many on here did.

Why are we so quick to want kids to be arrested? I don't get it. What does that solve?

And let's not forget (re: the parents not admitting what their kid did) that we have become a litigious society. The parents of the kid who threw the baseball through the window 50 years ago would have offered to pay for the window and that would have been the end of it. Now, they'd pay for the window, then be sued for something else.

We recently had an incident at Boy Scouts where one scout hit another. The parents of the scout who got hit didn't tell anyone at the meeting (there are at least 10 leaders there every week), but went home and called the police. And are threatening to sue. The child didn't even have a bruise by the next meeting. And after talking to the other scouts, it was accidental (the kids were screwing around and flailing their arms and the kid got hit).

When I was a kid, 2 kids would get in a fight, they'd be punished, and that would be the end of it (unless it was an extreme beat down). Police weren't called. Parents didn't sue one another.

To be honest, I'm not sure I would admit that my kid did anything wrong to anyone else. That's not to say that I wouldn't deal with it at home. I just wouldn't admit it to the other person. Who knows what they'd do once I accepted responsibility. Just like when I am in an accident, I don't admit it was my fault to the other driver.

[itsagoodday]

I'm surprised at how many people want legal action taken. No doubt, what the kids did was wrong and they deserve to be punished. But to have a criminal record for something that they did when they were 13?

I agree, it's not something I think charges should be pressed for. I like the idea of them losing their school bus riding privileges permanently, for one thing. I can't recall if this has already been said, so sorry if I'm repeating anyone. But this is going to haunt those kids on the internet for the rest of their lives. (And rightly so.) While the media is not reporting their names, the little rocket scientists posted the video and bragged about it THEMSELVES on social media before the news picked it up. Their names are linked to this thing permanently. Every potential employer who uses Google for 5 seconds will find out about this. I think it's safe to say they just limited their future employment options.

[Ed_Hitchens]

What I found most disturbing was that none of these kids seemed to have that internal "switch" that goes off when you know you've gone too far. Most of us can be cruel, but it takes a special kind of creature to find the effects of your cruelty amusing and to feed off it. Most of us have the switch that tells us to back off, to feel bad, to apologize or make amends. Not these punks. They have nothing but cold ashes inside.

The kid posted this video to ******** to get a laugh. That alone speaks volumes about the type of character we're dealing with. The fact he found it funny and thought others would find it hilarious shows how sick and out of touch he is. He felt no shame about it at all. That is why one of the so-called "apology" letters said "if someone treated my mother or grandmother...blah, blah, blah" sounded like he was just parroting back what he'd probably been scolded about by his parents.

I honestly think most of the kids involved in this were sociopathic. They had no empathy, no remorse, and no conscience. Their words ring empty to me, but then again my jimmies are seriously rustled about this whole thing.

[Karl_Hungus]

And these kids are now under police protection. They confiscated their phones, and one kid has gotten over 1000 angry messages, with numerous death threats.

Good! Maybe this will teach them, in a very real way, what the grandmother went through.

[MontyMagpie]

I read about this in the news today. It's beyond disturbing. What kind of kids talk trash like that to an older lady about wanting to cum and sh!t in her mouth? And at one point in the video the kids even tease her about her deceased son. I hope these kids get what they deserve. And their parents, too.

Society is down the ****hole, people have no respect anymore. These kids are the internet generation and they just repeat how people speak to each other on the internet, you can see this in every forum, including this one and each of you know who you are who have spoke to me like this. I don't like to call out names but they know who they are.

In my youth if we talked to an adult like that we would get a clip around the ear, adults cannot say anything or give them a clip around the ear as they'd be arrested in today's human children rights type of society but where are the rights for the adult these day?

Now a few weeks or months ago, there was a man that threw a kid off the train that was giving a conductor of a train a mouthful. Many here tried to say the man was wrong to man-handle the kid but I think he was right. Children get away with too much these days.

[danap3681]

Yeah, I quit watching after one minute. I wanted to push the monitor off the desk!

Middle school kids in packs are idiots.

I was not able to watch it until last night an it made me sick to my stomach. I felt so sorry for that woman. And I am sure in some parts this is something that happens all the time but it is what is tolerated & allowed and it should not be. I absolutely could not watch anymore after she started crying. No one should be treated like that. I hope the parents punish their children and make them offer apologies to this woman. Sad that children are not all taught basic manners, values and morals. Just pathetic!

[danap3681]

I agree, it's not something I think charges should be pressed for. I like the idea of them losing their school bus riding privileges permanently, for one thing. I can't recall if this has already been said, so sorry if I'm repeating anyone. But this is going to haunt those kids on the internet for the rest of their lives. (And rightly so.) While the media is not reporting their names, the little rocket scientists posted the video and bragged about it THEMSELVES on social media before the news picked it up. Their names are linked to this thing permanently. Every potential employer who uses Google for 5 seconds will find out about this. I think it's safe to say they just limited their future employment options.

I agree charges should not be pressed. I say make them go and do chores for this woman and video that and put it on FB or youtube. Maybe a little humiliation might make them think twice before being such little sh*ts with no respect!

[Sami76]

I agree charges should not be pressed. I say make them go and do chores for this woman and video that and put it on FB or youtube. Maybe a little humiliation might make them think twice before being such little sh*ts with no respect!

And they need to be on that Scared Straight show, the one where kids get to see the inside of prison life.

[danap3681]

And they need to be on that Scared Straight show, the one where kids get to see the inside of prison life.

I have seen that show. You know BOOT CAMP's were few and far between when I was coming up. Seems like they are a summer camp for these kids today. It would be like a family reunion for some of them though because so many family members are already there.

[latebloomingmom]

So simple, right? Yet some parents want to protect their child (from what? from learning the meaning of responsibility? I don't know) rather than seeing a situation like that as a teaching opportunity. These parents aren't seeing the forest for trees.

I dont know what it is..been wondering this for awhile now. Is it too much of a hassle, they are too overworked, stressed, tired to actually get off their butts and parent their own children? This is not an easy job or one that is over with quickly. It takes consistently enforcing rules and consequences and it takes a loooooong time for these lessons to sink in. I am not sure if its because the parents did not learn these lessons themselves as children or if it is just because they are lazy parents.

[latebloomingmom]

What I found most disturbing was that none of these kids seemed to have that internal "switch" that goes off when you know you've gone too far. Most of us can be cruel, but it takes a special kind of creature to find the effects of your cruelty amusing and to feed off it. Most of us have the switch that tells us to back off, to feel bad, to apologize or make amends. Not these punks. They have nothing but cold ashes inside.

The kid posted this video to ******** to get a laugh. That alone speaks volumes about the type of character we're dealing with. The fact he found it funny and thought others would find it hilarious shows how sick and out of touch he is. He felt no shame about it at all. That is why one of the so-called "apology" letters said "if someone treated my mother or grandmother...blah, blah, blah" sounded like he was just parroting back what he'd probably been scolded about by his parents.

I honestly think most of the kids involved in this were sociopathic. They had no empathy, no remorse, and no conscience. Their words ring empty to me, but then again my jimmies are seriously rustled about this whole thing.

I think what you describe as sociopathic behavior is actually accepted and encouraged amongst their peers at this age level. I have also seen similiar behavior and language coming out of high schoolers. They feed off each other. Now, were there some in the group that thought "oh man, we are gonna catch hell for this one" who knows? were there some on that bus that shook their heads and thought "you guys are being mean" ? The camera does not tell us this. Do they feel guilt? remorse? mmmmm. I doubt it. what they only will feel is how this directly affects them.

its like the criminal that thought he was so smart he would never get caught. Is he sorry he did the crime? nope but he is really really sorry he got caught.

It is the belief that rules and consequences do not apply to them because they are 'special' kids ...so much so that not only can they behave however they choose but they can also record it and brag about it.

[danap3681]

I think what you describe as sociopathic behavior is actually accepted and encouraged amongst their peers at this age level. I have also seen similiar behavior and language coming out of high schoolers. They feed off each other. Now, were there some in the group that thought "oh man, we are gonna catch hell for this one" who knows? were there some on that bus that shook their heads and thought "you guys are being mean" ? The camera does not tell us this. Do they feel guilt? remorse? mmmmm. I doubt it. what they only will feel is how this directly affects them.

its like the criminal that thought he was so smart he would never get caught. Is he sorry he did the crime? nope but he is really really sorry he got caught.

It is the belief that rules and consequences do not apply to them because they are 'special' kids ...so much so that not only can they behave however they choose but they can also record it and brag about it.

My son has a friend we no longer let him hang out with because his mother allows him to go out at age 14 & hang out with 16-21 yr olds & drink & hang out all hours of the night. He came over for my sons b'day party uninvited & hung over. That was it! I spoke to his mom but it did no good. Told my son this morning if the boy came over to where he was he was not to hang out with him because he is a THUG! He told me he was not a thug & he was only like that because his father was not around while he was growing up. I explained that is an excuse & that his mother can be a parent without a man being there. It is about teaching your kids the right way to treat others & what is an is not to be tolerated. This boy was expelled from school for prank calling a teacher & telling her he was going to come to her house & rape her. ?????? He was a good boy for years. Makes me wonder how someone can change so much? Peer pressure??

[Nikonguy]

Middle school kids in packs are idiots.

Agreed, and for the safety and well being of such idiots I moved up to teaching high school.

Speaking as one who went to Jr. High School (7th, 8th and 9th grade), IMHO the middle school model and the theories behind it have been a horrible social experiment.

[latebloomingmom]

My son has a friend we no longer let him hang out with because his mother allows him to go out at age 14 & hang out with 16-21 yr olds & drink & hang out all hours of the night. He came over for my sons b'day party uninvited & hung over. That was it! I spoke to his mom but it did no good. Told my son this morning if the boy came over to where he was he was not to hang out with him because he is a THUG! He told me he was not a thug & he was only like that because his father was not around while he was growing up. I explained that is an excuse & that his mother can be a parent without a man being there. It is about teaching your kids the right way to treat others & what is an is not to be tolerated. This boy was expelled from school for prank calling a teacher & telling her he was going to come to her house & rape her. ?????? He was a good boy for years. Makes me wonder how someone can change so much? Peer pressure??

hard to say..some of my son's friends in high school were out underage drinking and doing all kinds of horse sh*t they should not have been doing..there was one boy who always had kids over hanging out at his house drinking. Where was his parents? He lived with his mom and she was in the bars. In my opinion, some parents of teenagers make the mistake of allowing bad behavior in their children because they want to be their child's friend and thought of as the 'cool parent'.
sometimes, I think kids turn bad because negative attention is better then no attention at all...

to be a parent of a teenager is not for the faint of heart..but it is the hope that
the morals and values that you have tried to install in them since birth will one day shine thru..
ya know..like when they're twenty

[danap3681]

hard to say..some of my son's friends in high school were out underage drinking and doing all kinds of horse sh*t they should not have been doing..there was one boy who always had kids over hanging out at his house drinking. Where was his parents? He lived with his mom and she was in the bars. In my opinion, some parents of teenagers make the mistake of allowing bad behavior in their children because they want to be their child's friend and thought of as the 'cool parent'.
sometimes, I think kids turn bad because negative attention is better then no attention at all...

True about the cool parent. My nephew was flunking school, acting out, etc so we took him in. Was here 3 years & he improved all around. We have rules here! His mom took him back & all went to sh*t. He dropped out of school an is out running wild at age 17. Breaks my heart. He is still a good kid but she is so busy living her life she cares not one bit about his. He told me a few weeks ago he wished she never came & took him back. I have to agree

[latebloomingmom]

True about the cool parent. My nephew was flunking school, acting out, etc so we took him in. Was here 3 years & he improved all around. We have rules here! His mom took him back & all went to sh*t. He dropped out of school an is out running wild at age 17. Breaks my heart. He is still a good kid but she is so busy living her life she cares not one bit about his. He told me a few weeks ago he wished she never came & took him back. I have to agree

Oh Lawdy you just described my sister-in-law..went thru her second childhood after divorcing my brother and left her four teenagers to fend for themselves..just about killed me to watch it happen. My oldest nephew dropped out of high school and got into some trouble for a couple years too. My brother stepped in (thank God) and took his children back. My nephew went back at 19 and got his GED and he just now completed his second year at college.

[danap3681]

Oh Lawdy you just described my sister-in-law..went thru her second childhood after divorcing my brother and left her four teenagers to fend for themselves..just about killed me to watch it happen. My oldest nephew dropped out of high school and got into some trouble for a couple years too. My brother stepped in (thank God) and took his children back. My nephew went back at 19 and got his GED and he just now completed his second year at college.

I am thankful my nephew (after the ass chewing from my husband) went an got his ged as well. He has been working making his own money. He harbors so much resentment towards my sister. She has never really been a "parent". She has always been a "friend"... & a bad one at that! Luckily he comes over alot & my husband talks to him & tries to steer him in the right direction. Hopefully he will be okay. Not a good childhood but he has potential to be successful.

[latebloomingmom]

I am thankful my nephew (after the ass chewing from my husband) went an got his ged as well. He has been working making his own money. He harbors so much resentment towards my sister. She has never really been a "parent". She has always been a "friend"... & a bad one at that! Luckily he comes over alot & my husband talks to him & tries to steer him in the right direction. Hopefully he will be okay. Not a good childhood but he has potential to be successful.

He sounds like a good kid. All ya can do is try to steer him in the right direction whenever you can and at some point he will choose which direction he will go

[JPN42]

get off the internet unless looking for what you want if you can't stomach it.

how much time you waste getting all pissed about this?