I don't even lift
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05-17-2012, 12:32 AM #44
IMO pull-ups are an exclusive exercise. If you stop doing them, you get worse at it regardless of other exercises you do for your back and arms. I did Bill Starr's 5x5 and after I got off it, I couldn't even get 8 pull-ups, even though I was deadlifting and rowing a LOT more and my back and arms were stronger/bigger.
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05-17-2012, 12:32 AM #45
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05-17-2012, 12:36 AM #48
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"The history of anabolic steroids can be traced back to as early as 1930's, before the term steroid was even used. In the 1930's, a team of scientists was able to create a synthetic form of testosterone (a male hormone) to help treat men who were unable to produce enough of the hormone for normal growth, development, and sexual functioning. Later, during World War II it was found that this artificial form of testosterone could be used to help malnourished soldiers gain weight and improve performance."
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05-17-2012, 12:44 AM #49
The Germans were experimenting with testosterone suspension and esters (such as propionate) in a clinical setting before the war and are speculated to have continued during the war. Whether that research involved humans is uncertain, but again, speculated. Such tests were conducted and well published in the west also, so it isn't like it was a German secret. Ruzicka was given the Nobel prize in 1939 for his work with male hormones. At that time, however, researchers were still trying to determine and understand what it is that testosterone does and identifying possible therapeutic uses for it. They were light years from realizing it could be used to build above normal amounts of lean body mass in already healthy individuals. Testosterone injections were reportedly given to British soldiers that were captured in Singapore while they were recovering in Australia after the war. This is possible, because it was known by then that testosterone could help in wound healing and recovery from malnourishment. However, again, NO ONE at that time had made the connection that testosterone could have athletic applications. By the mid-1940s some began speculating about testosterone's effects in healthy young men and athletes, as Paul de Kruif mentioned briefly in his 1945 book, "The Male Hormone" (speculating that the results might be "interesting" if athletes were to take it). However, testosterone didn't receive FDA approval until 1950 and no pharmaceutical company was mass producing testosterone before that because there was no legal market for it. So even if bodybuilders knew about it and wanted it they would not have been able to secure a supply.
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05-17-2012, 12:49 AM #53
Testosterone was first approved for prescription as a cancer, wasting and burn treatment in the U.S. in 1950. Before that it was available for research purposes only, with the FDA tightening regulations and enforcement in the early 1950s. For a bodybuilder to be effectively using testosterone before 1950 he would not only had to have known more about the biochemistry, dosing and potential athletic applications of it than anybody else in the world (including the research scientists working with it), but also have had access to what was then an experimental drug, isolated in limited amounts for controlled research purposes, and not produced in quantity for a public or prescription market.
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05-17-2012, 12:53 AM #54
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my jimmies are starting to get rustled. Your ****ing saying because it wasn't legal or because there wasn't "enough" supply they couldn't have gotten some? This must be trolling at its finest. Pls go ask any currently Bodybuilders if they know jack shiit about the biochemistry of steroids. Also, i'm starting to think you don't read what you copy and paste.
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05-17-2012, 12:55 AM #55
Without FDA approval a drug cannot be made in quantity in the U.S.. Modern bodybuilders use FDA approved drugs for "recreational purposes" for which they were not approved, and source drugs from outside the U.S. (hence, the huge black market for European and Mexican steroids). As Nilevar and Dianabol were the first synthetic anabolics developed, no countries other than the U.S. were manufacturing them before 1956 and 1958, respectively. Up to that point, the Soviets used testosterone alone.
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05-17-2012, 12:57 AM #56
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05-17-2012, 01:00 AM #57
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Contradicting yourself and making no sense. "Many of the illegal steroids are smuggled in from other countries, illegally diverted from U.S. pharmacies, or synthesized in secret laboratories. Estimates show that there are more than $400 million worth of black-market (illegal) sales of steroids per year." While this is more recent, there could easily have been similar numbers. Also, Reeves as well aware of steroids if he has the audacity to comment on them.
RIP Zyzz.
Does rep back. If not, I'm on recharge.
Out of Gym due to shoulder injury.
"Nothing in this world that's worth having comes easy"
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