are there foods that carb burn

[WillieInc]

I have heard of fat burning foods/ regimes such as warm water+lemon juice before meals, a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar before meals, etc.......but I am wonderng if there is anything that would burn carbs? I am not interested in those so called pills. I am interested in foods that are real.

[alan aragon]

I have heard of fat burning foods/ regimes such as warm water+lemon juice before meals, a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar before meals, etc.......but I am wonderng if there is anything that would burn carbs? I am not interested in those so called pills. I am interested in foods that are real.

Lordy. Oh my goodness. Why on Earth are you carbophobic? Stop it. Now. Thanks.

PS - don't believe all that "fat-burning food" BS. For Real.

[WillieInc]

Lordy. Oh my goodness. Why on Earth are you carbophobic? Stop it. Now. Thanks.

I am not carbophobic. I was wondering if there was a such thing as carb burning foods, that's all.

[filo01]

i'm not a expert on this subject but i'm pretty sure their isn't. Just wandering why would u want to burn carbs, i though carbs were a fuel source? shouldn't u be asking wat burns fat?.

[WillieInc]

i'm not a expert on this subject but i'm pretty sure their isn't. Just wandering why would u want to burn carbs, i though carbs were a fuel source? shouldn't u be asking wat burns fat?.

becaue I cycle my carbs, and thought maybe there is a way to sneak a carb in the no carb day - but no big deal, because the day after no carb day is high carb.....I just thought it would be cool that's all.

However- I was once mislead to believe that if one ate a carb - he should have a cup of milk after it to slow down the digestive process and/or sugar spikes so the carbs are not stored as fat- and there was a time I did this- and it was successful.

Also- I know what burns fat- as I mentioned- so I wouldn't need to wonder about that.

[Melkor]

becaue I cycle my carbs, and thought maybe there is a way to sneak a carb in the no carb day - but no big deal, because the day after no carb day is high carb.....I just thought it would be cool that's all.

However- I was once mislead to believe that if one ate a carb - he should have a cup of milk after it to slow down the digestive process and/or sugar spikes so the carbs are not stored as fat- and there was a time I did this- and it was successful.

Also- I know what burns fat- as I mentioned- so I wouldn't need to wonder about that.

lol

I don't think you really do know what burns fat... Just a hunch.

So, you ate a carb, then drank a glass of milk to kill the carb? Just so you know, milk has quite a few carbs of its own...

Your posts make me feel sad inside.

"I am interested in foods that are real."

[TanTheMan]

Melkor..do you need a hug?

lol

[Melkor]

lol. I think I might. *sniff*

[WillieInc]

lol

I don't think you really do know what burns fat... Just a hunch.

So, you ate a carb, then drank a glass of milk to kill the carb? Just so you know, milk has quite a few carbs of its own...

Your posts make me feel sad inside.

"I am interested in foods that are real."

foods that are real- as opposed to someone saying get some carb blocking pills- that's all.

yes- when I was 18- I would eat a box of granola bars, kudos, chocolate chips, then down a gallon of skim milk, and I was rail thin (115 lbs)- of course- I was 18- and being that young you can pretty much eat anything and get away with it.

I am well aware of the carbs in milk ;-) in fact I am aware of carbs in everything - and the glycemic index, etc......just trying to learn more :-)

[Melkor]

I'm just teasin ya Willie. I tease a lot, it makes life more fun. Seriously though, if you don't want a macronutrient being absorbed don't eat the macronutrient. It's very simple isn't it? If you don't want it, don't eat it. That is copyrighted and I will sue your ASS if you spread it around without paying royalties.

[WillieInc]

I'm just teasin ya Willie. I tease a lot, it makes life more fun. Seriously though, if you don't want a macronutrient being absorbed don't eat the macronutrient. It's very simple isn't it? If you don't want it, don't eat it. That is copyrighted and I will sue your ASS if you spread it around without paying royalties.

well of course - but then- you never know what is out there - and if anyone knew, then great to have the info.

[Melkor]

well of course - but then- you never know what is out there - and if anyone knew, then great to have the info.

I can't tell if you are being serious or what.

I was kidding btw.

You can tell people not to eat something if they don't want it. I won't sue your ASS. I promise.

[WillieInc]

I can't tell if you are being serious or what.

I was kidding btw.

You can tell people not to eat something if they don't want it. I won't sue your ASS. I promise.

I was taking about IF there was a such thing as a carb burning food that's all. I am always serious, especially when it comes to food and nutrition.

[velikimajmun]

I have heard of fat burning foods/ regimes such as warm water+lemon juice before meals, a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar before meals, etc.......but I am wonderng if there is anything that would burn carbs? I am not interested in those so called pills. I am interested in foods that are real.

acetic acid (vinegar) doesn't burn carbs, it prevents carbs from being utilized as an energy source. Its not good for fat loss but can be a good repartitioning tool during a refeed. It activates gluconeogenesis and inactivate glycolysis through inactivation of fructose-2,6-bisphosphate synthesis due to suppression of xylulose-5-phosphate accumulation. In skeletal muscle, acetic acid may inhibits by suppression of phosphofructokinase-1 activity.

[WillieInc]

acetic acid (vinegar) doesn't burn carbs, it prevents carbs from being utilized as an energy source. Its not good for fat loss but can be a good repartitioning tool during a refeed. It activates gluconeogenesis and inactivate glycolysis through inactivation of fructose-2,6-bisphosphate synthesis due to suppression of xylulose-5-phosphate accumulation. In skeletal muscle, acetic acid may inhibits by suppression of phosphofructokinase-1 activity.

thank you- this helps clear my mind of any misconceptions I get confused with.

I all ready am 5% body fat and my goal is just maintaining it without killing myself in the process.

[SupremeDan]

acetic acid (vinegar) doesn't burn carbs, it prevents carbs from being utilized as an energy source. Its not good for fat loss but can be a good repartitioning tool during a refeed. It activates gluconeogenesis and inactivate glycolysis through inactivation of fructose-2,6-bisphosphate synthesis due to suppression of xylulose-5-phosphate accumulation. In skeletal muscle, acetic acid may inhibits by suppression of phosphofructokinase-1 activity.

good response...but indeed acetic acid does help burn stored body fat....sinse it lowers GI of any carb with it and repartition more carbs to be stored as glicogen in both muscle and liver.......alowing lees to enter fat....plus, it prevents carbs from being used as a energy sourse so the body swifts to burning fat instead of carbs....

Acetic Acid Feeding Enhances Glycogen Repletion in Liver and Skeletal Muscle of Rats1
Takashi Fushimi2, Kenji Tayama, Masahiro Fukaya, Kaori Kitakoshi*, Naoya Nakai*, Yoshinori Tsukamoto and Yuzo Sato*

"Here we have confirmed that a diet containing acetic acid at concentrations similar to those consumed in a normal meal enhances glycogen repletion in the liver and skeletal muscles of rats (Fig. 1A , B , C ). The effect in liver and gastrocnemius muscle appeared to be linear up to 0.2 g acetic acid/100 g diet.

Our results show that dietary acetic acid can enhance glycogen repletion in both liver and skeletal muscle. The mechanism of this effect is different in liver and skeletal muscle. In liver, acetic acid feeding enhances glycogen repletion by activation of gluconeogenesis and the preferential utilization of G-6-P for glycogenesis. In skeletal muscle, the enhancement of glycogen repletion by acetic acid feeding results from the accumulation of G-6-P due to suppression of glycolysis. We used acetic acid at concentrations comparable to those found in a normal diet. Therefore, we conclude that supplementing meals with vinegar may be beneficial in the recovery of liver and skeletal muscle glycogen, for example, upon fatigue, after skipping meals, postexercise or as part of an athlete’s breakfast on the day of competition"

[justanothagirl]

so i should have some apple cider vinegar with water before eating my postworkout meal? that would be good?

[SupremeDan]

here is the study wich proves that ingesting vinegar with a carb meal reduces Insulin response, and inprooves insulin resistence........ plus apple cider vineger ia a exlent antioxidant........so for nutrient partishioning and maybe to reduce fat gains during a bulking diet high in carbs vinegar is the way to go........... in a hipocaloric diet for loosing fat it will help too sinse less insulin floating means more lipolyses.......

Vinegar Improves Insulin Sensitivity to a High-Carbohydrate Meal in Subjects With Insulin Resistance or Type 2 Diabetes
Carol S. Johnston, PHD, Cindy M. Kim, MS and Amanda J. Buller, MS
From the Department of Nutrition, Arizona State University, Mesa, Arizona

Address correspondence to Carol S. Johnston, Department of Nutrition, Arizona State University, East Campus, 7001 E. Williams Field Rd, Mesa, AZ 85212. E-mail: carol.johnston@asu.edu

The number of Americans with type 2 diabetes is expected to increase by 50% in the next 25 years; hence, the prevention of type 2 diabetes is an important objective. Recent large-scale trials (the Diabetes Prevention Program and STOP-NIDDM) have demonstrated that therapeutic agents used to improve insulin sensitivity in diabetes, metformin and acarbose, may also delay or prevent the onset of type 2 diabetes in high-risk populations. Interestingly, an early report showed that vinegar attenuated the glucose and insulin responses to a sucrose or starch load (1). In the present report, we assessed the effectiveness of vinegar in reducing postprandial glycemia and insulinemia in subjects with varying degrees of insulin sensitivity.

Our study included nondiabetic subjects who were either insulin sensitive (control subjects, n = 8) or insulin resistant (n = 11) and 10 subjects with type 2 diabetes. Subjects provided written informed consent and were not taking diabetes medications. Fasting subjects were randomly assigned to consume the vinegar (20 g apple cider vinegar, 40 g water, and 1 tsp saccharine) or placebo drink and, after a 2-min delay, the test meal, which was composed of a white bagel, butter, and orange juice (87 g total carbohydrates). The cross-over trial was conducted 1 week later. Blood samples were collected at fasting and 30 and 60 min postmeal for glucose and insulin analyses. Whole-body insulin sensitivity during the 60-min postmeal interval was estimated using a composite score (2).

Fasting glucose concentrations were elevated 55% in subjects with diabetes compared with the other subject groups (P < 0.01, Tukey’s post hoc test), and fasting insulin concentrations were elevated 95–115% in subjects with insulin resistance or type 2 diabetes compared with control subjects (P < 0.01). Compared with placebo, vinegar ingestion raised whole-body insulin sensitivity during the 60-min postmeal interval in insulin-resistant subjects (34%, P = 0.01, paired t test) and slightly improved this parameter in subjects with type 2 diabetes (19%, P = 0.07). Postprandial fluxes in insulin were significantly reduced by vinegar in control subjects, and postprandial fluxes in both glucose and insulin were significantly reduced in insulin-resistant subjects (Fig. 1).

These data indicate that vinegar can significantly improve postprandial insulin sensitivity in insulin-resistant subjects. Acetic acid has been shown to suppress disaccharidase activity (3) and to raise glucose-6-phosphate concentrations in skeletal muscle (4); thus, vinegar may possess physiological effects similar to acarbose or metformin. Further investigations to examine the efficacy of vinegar as an antidiabetic therapy are warranted.

[TanTheMan]

Taking into account this study was performed on those with diabetes and those with insulin resistance. which on a whole. is not a great majority around here.

Just thought id clarify that.

[getgot211]

I all ready am 5% body fat and my goal is just maintaining it without killing myself in the process.

got pics to back up that claim?

[TanTheMan]

got pics to back up that claim?

why should we care if he is 5, 10, 50, 80% body fat? if he is lying thats his problem not ours.

[velikimajmun]

good response...but indeed acetic acid does help burn stored body fat....sinse it lowers GI of any carb with it and repartition more carbs to be stored as glicogen in both muscle and liver.......alowing lees to enter fat....plus, it prevents carbs from being used as a energy sourse so the body swifts to burning fat instead of carbs....

Actually, it blunts fat burning

Note: (acetate is the salt of acetic acid)

Effect of acetate infusion on energy expenditure and substrate oxidation rates in non-diabetic and diabetic subjects.

Akanji AO, Bruce MA, Frayn KN.

Sheikh Rashid Diabetes Unit, Radcliffe Infirmary, Oxford, UK.

Sodium acetate was infused intravenously at 2.5 mmoles/min for 60 min into 6 normal subjects and 6 non-insulin dependent diabetic patients. In control experiments the same subjects received equimolar sodium bicarbonate infusions. Plasma non-esterified fatty acid and blood glycerol levels fell during acetate infusion in both groups, suggesting impairment of lipolysis. The respiratory quotient fell on acetate infusion as expected, although total energy expenditure was unaffected. If acetate oxidation was assumed to be 90 per cent of the infusion rate, then it accounted for about 40 per cent of total oxygen consumption; fat oxidation was reduced, whilst carbohydrate oxidation was unchanged. These results suggest that resting energy expenditure is maintained during acetate infusion since acetate replaces fat as an oxidative fuel, without affecting glucose oxidation. The reduction in fat oxidation appears to be due to reduced fat mobilization from adipose tissue. The metabolic effects of acetate infusion are similar in normal and in non-insulin dependent diabetic subjects

[WillieInc]

got pics to back up that claim?

sure where do you want me to post them

[WillieInc]

currently: 131 pounds, 5% body fat pictures taken :January 3, 2006


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[Melkor]

/burns eyes and throws the ashes into the ocean

[WillieInc]

/burns eyes and throws the ashes into the ocean

yes, 2006 is my water themed year-

I just hope that bodybuilders on here are open minded to individuals like myself. I don't work out - or do anything for that matter- to please anybody but myself.

I bodybuild for art.

[Melkor]

Awesome. Being 100% self-centered is in nowadays.

I'm glad you're here though. I like weird people, lol. I'm pretty sure you qualify.

You really ought to eat more calories imo. You might be doing yourself damage being that low of bodyfat. Some bodyfat is needed just to make sure your organs are padded and functioning properly. You have none lol

[WillieInc]

[QUOTE=Melkor]Awesome. Being 100% self-centered is in nowadays.


- totally and definately- and everyone should love themselves :-)


I'm glad you're here though. I like weird people, lol. I'm pretty sure you qualify.

-I am just me- and if it's wierd, then cool.







You really ought to eat more calories imo. You might be doing yourself damage being that low of bodyfat. Some bodyfat is needed just to make sure your organs are padded and functioning properly. You have none lol

-lol- well right now aside from carb cycling, I calorie cycle as well- days I work out are the higher calorie/carb days- days off- no carbs, and pretty low calories. I keep my calorie intake from 1470 BMR (that's when I am doing nothing all day)- to 2000- obviously on a work out day.

[Melkor]

Yeah, you're weird. I hope I'm not the first one to tell you that, but I kinda doubt I am

That calorie intake seems low. I would really think about upping it slowly. If you have 125 pounds of LBM you need more than 1470 calories. If you up your cals slowly you won't gain much fat (just enough to maybe be more healthy?) and you'll feel better too most likely. Do your muscles hurt after you work out? How is your recuperation after lifting?

[Adam444]

so i should have some apple cider vinegar with water before eating my postworkout meal? that would be good?

Wouldn't that kill the whole purpose of PWO? :|