another real life walmart christian encounter!

[jf1]

You are just a illiterate joke...... and no, I'm not going to show you other sources, if you wants to know go and pay a UNI and get some education.

unfortunately; this response is a perfect example of 'christian discussion'.
makavelli brought up a perfectly valid question.
instead of an answer, he gets a juvenile response.

if you guys cant answer our questions with legit, well thought out responses, why are you still christians?
(or did jeebus get you off crack too?)

[Beeewbs]

He does the same ****z that he criticizes christians for doing. If you don't see that JF is antagonistic towards all things christian then you are blind.

You're quite the sensitive little snow flake, aren't you? He replied with "I'm an atheist." Awww, does that make you cry yourself to sleep at night?

[bird72]

unfortunately; this response is a perfect example of 'christian discussion'.
makavelli brought up a perfectly valid question.
instead of an answer, he gets a juvenile response.

if you guys cant answer our questions with legit, well thought out responses, why are you still christians?
(or jeebus get you off crack too?)

Suddenly you became a proper and serious poster....Stipulate the differences, I sustain my answer....

[Achilles_1986]

You're quite the sensitive little snow flake, aren't you? He replied with "I'm an atheist." Awww, does that make you cry yourself to sleep at night?

I was thinking the same from the reactions from the atheists here. In all reality neither were pushing anything on each other.

[Beeewbs]

I was thinking the same from the reactions from the atheists here. In all reality neither were pushing anything on each other.

How are the atheists cry babies by pointing out that saying you're an atheist is not pushing your stance on someone? Seems valid to me, and it seems valid to be annoyed with idiots who continually shove their religion up everyone's ass while crying about being the victim when someone stops them. Pushy Christians are the biggest group of spoiled little sh*ts I've ever seen.

[bird72]

How are the atheists cry babies *buaaaaaaaaaaa* by pointing out that saying you're an atheist*buaaaaaaaaaa* is not pushing your stance on someone?*buaaaaaaa*

fixed.....................oh the irony!

[Achilles_1986]

How are the atheists cry babies by pointing out that saying you're an atheist is not pushing your stance on someone? Seems valid to me, and it seems valid to be annoyed with idiots who continually shove their religion up everyone's ass while crying about being the victim when someone stops them. Pushy Christians are the biggest group of spoiled little sh*ts I've ever seen.

Because he wasn't being pushy, sorry he was expressing his beliefs but there is a huge difference. Atheists here are getting worked because the guy said Jesus loves you, big freaking deal. I understand issues with pushy Christians but this just isn't the case, its a small matter being blown out of proportion.

[jf1]

I was thinking the same from the reactions from the atheists here. In all reality neither were pushing anything on each other.

if a person brings up the subject of religion, in public, to a stranger he should expect a response.
admittedly, in this brain-dead, christian country, my response was not what he expected.

yet, any 'christian' should be able to explain their basic beliefs.
"jesus saves!" HOW?
"jesus died for you!" WHY?
"jesus is still alive!" WHERE?
"jesus loves you!" WUT?

if more people asked these questions, there would be fewer christians...perhaps that is the fear of those posting in this thread?

[Beeewbs]

Because he wasn't being pushy, sorry he was expressing his beliefs but there is a huge difference. Atheists here are getting worked because the guy said Jesus loves you, big freaking deal. I understand issues with pushy Christians but this just isn't the case, its a small matter being blown out of proportion.

Standing outside of a store so you can tell people about your religion seems sorta pushy to me. Regardless, it's perfectly valid for atheists to be annoyed with people who act like the Christian talking to random people about his religion is not pushy, but the person responding with "I'm an atheist" is.

[Achilles_1986]

if a person brings up the subject of religion, in public, to a stranger he should expect a response.
admittedly, in this brain-dead, christian country, my response was not what he expected.

yet, any 'christian' should be able to explain their basic beliefs.
"jesus saves!" HOW?
"jesus died for you!" WHY?
"jesus is still alive!" WHERE?
"jesus loves you!" WUT?

if more people asked these questions, there would be fewer christians...perhaps that is the fear of those posting in this thread?

I have no issues with your response at all. Thats not what I am getting at. My point is everyone is acting like its a crime because the guy simply made a comment about Jesus and what he claims has happened in his life. You are more than free to respond how you want just as he is more than free to say what he wants. Understand what I am getting at? The guy wasn't being pushy, seems there is a warped view of what being pushy is.

[jf1]

Because he wasn't being pushy, sorry he was expressing his beliefs but there is a huge difference. Atheists here are getting worked because the guy said Jesus loves you, big freaking deal. I understand issues with pushy Christians but this just isn't the case, its a small matter being blown out of proportion.

jesus has been dead, dead, dead for 2000years.
the ghost of jesus loves me?

does george washington, or any other dead person love me?
jesus is a long dead jewish preacher...he doesnt love anyone anymore.
he is dead.

people need to be confronted that their childish and antiquated fantasy isnt real.
its not OK to be waiting 2000years for your no-show messiah to return.
its over, time to embrace reality.

[jf1]

I have no issues with your response at all. Thats not what I am getting at. My point is everyone is acting like its a crime because the guy simply made a comment about Jesus and what he claims has happened in his life. You are more than free to respond how you want just as he is more than free to say what he wants. Understand what I am getting at? The guy wasn't being pushy, seems there is a warped view of what being pushy is.

i think you are misunderstanding things here.
i was actually pleased when i was approached with that nonsense; he made an otherwise boring trip to walmart worthwhile for me.
i hope it happens again.

it is the christians who are treating my response as a crime.

[Achilles_1986]

i think you are misunderstanding things here.
i was actually pleased when i was approached with that nonsense; he made an otherwise boring trip to walmart worthwhile for me.
i hope it happens again.

it is the christians who are treating my response as a crime.

Again I see no issues with your response nor do I see what he did as being pushy or harassing.

[Jpenn89]

unfortunately; this response is a perfect example of 'christian discussion'.
makavelli brought up a perfectly valid question.
instead of an answer, he gets a juvenile response.

if you guys cant answer our questions with legit, well thought out responses, why are you still christians?
(or did jeebus get you off crack too?)

Since no one else will answer you I suppose i will. I only ask for you to curtail the hate and just agree that we disagree.

I am a christian, I was very devout for the first 20 years of my life until the church excommunicated my brother (catholic) I am now against the establishment of organized religion because the corruption and hatred in the church sickens me. However I do believe in God.

I do not believe in the bible as the "Wod of God" but more as a series of lessons and moral laws that God wishes us to fllow written in a way that humans can understand (and we even fuked that up)

The biggest reason. I believe is because it givea the senae of purpose... like what i do in this life matters. I believe because even if it isnt true the message of love and forgiveness is very attractive, it makes it hard for me to stay angry. I would rather believe and be wrong then not believe and be wrong. So what if I am wrong. I am a good person and I do not tell anyone else that they are wrong.

It isnt our job to judge. Whether there is or is not a god doesn't really matter in the scheme of things. Just how you treat others. See the proverb in my sig.

Sorry for typos on advance. Typing on my phone

[jf1]

Again I see no issues with your response nor do I see what he did as being pushy or harassing.

agreed.
the purpose of this thread wasnt to complain about christian harassment, but to illustrate that typical christian 'knowledge' of their religion is based on catch-phrases that they dont understand and personal anecdotes.

[makavelli1988]

You are just a illiterate joke...... and no, I'm not going to show you other sources, if you wants to know go and pay a UNI and get some education.

So instead of proving I was wrong by posting evidence to the contrary, you chose to go for calling me illiterate?

Lol @ "no, I'm not going to show you other sources".....You're like a kid who gets beaten at football, gets pissy and says he doesn't want to play any more....and it's JF1 crying in this thread??!!!

[Achilles_1986]

agreed.
the purpose of this thread wasnt to complain about christian harassment, but to illustrate that typical christian 'knowledge' of their religion is based on catch-phrases that they dont understand and personal anecdotes.

That is something we both can agree on. I didn't think you started the thread for complaining, but others on both sides seemed to turn it into that, which is what I was trying to point out.

[jf1]

Since no one else will answer you I suppose i will. I only ask for you to curtail the hate and just agree that we disagree.

I am a christian, I was very devout for the first 20 years of my life until the church excommunicated my brother (catholic) I am now against the establishment of organized religion because the corruption and hatred in the church sickens me. However I do believe in God.

I do not believe in the bible as the "Wod of God" but more as a series of lessons and moral laws that God wishes us to fllow written in a way that humans can understand (and we even fuked that up)

The biggest reason. I believe is because it givea the senae of purpose... like what i do in this life matters. I believe because even if it isnt true the message of love and forgiveness is very attractive, it makes it hard for me to stay angry. I would rather believe and be wrong then not believe and be wrong. So what if I am wrong. I am a good person and I do not tell anyone else that they are wrong.

It isnt our job to judge. Whether there is or is not a god doesn't really matter in the scheme of things. Just how you treat others. See the proverb in my sig.

Sorry for typos on advance. Typing on my phone

thanks for the thought-out response.
what i get from this is you were raised catholic.
i was too.

you have taken the first step in rejecting the church.
the message of love and forgiveness is certainly valid.
however, did it come from a human being or did it come from god incarnate who walked the earth performing miracles, forgave the world of sin and is going to return (soon)?

this is what we need to transcend as modern, thinking adults.
accept the message, reject the obvious fantasy.

for me, its not about god.
its about their god!
their god is a fake.
started by abraham, continued by moses and then rewritten by the followers of jesus.

one should not need mythological fantasy figures to provide meaning to life.

[VAPlowhorse]

The butthurt reactions in this thread have now exceeded the "politician assaulted with glitter of mass destruction" thread as the all time worst display of man-bitchness on the R&P.

[SilverSpork]

Wow good job op. I'm not religeous in any way, but most of the atheists on this board act butthurt. Why so serious? Who cares if you do not believe in what they do. Since you clearly think you are above them, why not act in such a way? You think they are belittling you by soliciting their religion, be above that and just say no thanks. You don't have to be a prick.

[jf1]

Wow good job op. I'm not religeous in any way, but most of the atheists on this board act butthurt. Why so serious? Who cares if you do not believe in what they do. Since you clearly think you are above them, why not act in such a way? You think they are belittling you by soliciting their religion, be above that and just say no thanks. You don't have to be a prick.

LOL!
"how dare you question the beliefs of someone soliciting their religion in public!"

balls and brains...get some.

[PowerSwede]

Wow good job op. I'm not religeous in any way, but most of the atheists on this board act butthurt. Why so serious? Who cares if you do not believe in what they do. Since you clearly think you are above them, why not act in such a way? You think they are belittling you by soliciting their religion, be above that and just say no thanks. You don't have to be a prick.

Did you read the OP?

The christian engaged jf1 in conversation, jf1 responded... end of story.

How is this serious in any way, shape or form?

I could not have been so courteous, "i'm an atheist" should be enough for anyone to understand that i don't believe in god and have no wish to talk to them about jesus.

[robwein83]

lol this

You're just antagonizing one another and accomplishing nothing productive. Don't you have better things to do than argue with solicitors? Do you argue with panhandlers as well?

Actually that was a panhandler.

And. OP, good for you.

[robwein83]

Did you read the OP?

The christian engaged jf1 in conversation, jf1 responded... end of story.

How is this serious in any way, shape or form?

I could not have been so courteous, "i'm an atheist" should be enough for anyone to understand that i don't believe in god and have no wish to talk to them about jesus.

this

[Jpenn89]

thanks for the thought-out response.
what i get from this is you were raised catholic.
i was too.

you have taken the first step in rejecting the church.
the message of love and forgiveness is certainly valid.
however, did it come from a human being or did it come from god incarnate who walked the earth performing miracles, forgave the world of sin and is going to return (soon)?

this is what we need to transcend as modern, thinking adults.
accept the message, reject the obvious fantasy..

for me, its not about god.
its about their god!
their god is a fake.
started by abraham, continued by moses and then rewritten by the followers of jesus.

one should not need mythological fantasy figures to provide meaning to life.

I was raised catholic, I was given the choice by my parents to be confirmed or not and chose confirmation. I am not on my way to rejecting the church, I have already rejected the CHURCH, however I have not rejected the idea of God and the teachings of the Bible. Whether or not it is fictional, the ideas (not the literal stories) should be universally accepted as good moral conduct (Example: 10 commandments)

There is no way to proove beyond a shadow of a doubt that one of us is wrong and the other is right. However we can be civil on every side. It is not imlortant to me who does and does not believe i. God because we were given free will and for God to punish his children for practicing a gift given is not a god i will believe in.


I respect your view because who would not be skeptical of a lliteral belief that a dead man will come back and forgive everyone for being human. Again my take on the Bible is not a literal word for word account of gods will.

[PowerSwede]

I was raised catholic, I was given the choice by my parents to be confirmed or not and chose confirmation. I am not on my way to rejecting the church, I have already rejected the CHURCH, however I have not rejected the idea of God and the teachings of the Bible. Whether or not it is fictional, the ideas (not the literal stories) should be universally accepted as good moral conduct (Example: 10 commandments)

Imma gonna stop you right here, there is no need for 10 commandments, what you need is inherent and is an evolved trait, the golden rule is based on it. It's called empathy and you seem to have it in droves. Do you actually think you need commandments to tell you how to act? Don't you already know that because you understand the pain of others?

I skipped the "you can't disprove god" bit because it's ridiculous, do you believe EVERYTHING you cannot disprove?

Do you believe me when i tell you that there is a celestial teapot orbiting the sun between the earth and mars? Well you can't disprove it so obviously it's a valid belief?

[Jpenn89]

Imma gonna stop you right here, there is no need for 10 commandments, what you need is inherent and is an evolved trait, the golden rule is based on it. It's called empathy and you seem to have it in droves. Do you actually think you need commandments to tell you how to act? Don't you already know that because you understand the pain of others?

I skipped the "you can't disprove god" bit because it's ridiculous, do you believe EVERYTHING you cannot disprove?

Do you believe me when i tell you that there is a celestial teapot orbiting the sun between the earth and mars? Well you can't disprove it so obviously it's a valid belief?

You say empaty is inhereent, this may be true for some peole... but it is not for all which is very apparent in todays world. If everyone had empathy and morality engrained into them why are there so many cases of rape, murder, neglect, and abuse. While there may be some like yourself who do the right thing based on an instinctual knowledge of right and wrong not everyone has that.

You dont need anything to tell you what is right or wrong... good for you... but why should it bother you how someone finds their morality, as long as they have it why do you care?

Also think about it there is no proof God exists and there is no proof he doesn't what makes your belief more valid when there is the absence of proof on both sides. Both are equally likely. Bring me SCIENTIFIC PROOF and i will change my mind. I am religious, not stupid, stubborn, or blind.

Until then i will wish you well andbelieve in my god, all while respecting your choice not to.

[PowerSwede]

You say empaty is inhereent, this may be true for some peole... but it is not for all which is very apparent in todays world. If everyone had empathy and morality engrained into them why are there so many cases of rape, murder, neglect, and abuse. While there may be some like yourself who do the right thing based on an instinctual knowledge of right and wrong not everyone has that.

You dont need anything to tell you what is right or wrong... good for you... but why should it bother you how someone finds their morality, as long as they have it why do you care?

Also think about it there is no proof God exists and there is no proof he doesn't what makes your belief more valid when there is the absence of proof on both sides. Both are equally likely. Bring me SCIENTIFIC PROOF and i will change my mind. I am religious, not stupid, stubborn, or blind.

Until then i will wish you well andbelieve in my god, all while respecting your choice not to.

It's a fact that everyone who isn't a psychopath or a sociopath has empathy, they inherently know right from wrong when it comes to the golden rule.

That does NOT mean that they will follow their conscience though, several things can make anyone go against their inherent sense of empathy, the most well known is religion.

I suppose you either believe there is a celestial teapot or cannot provide evidence against it which must mean that it's real, just like the celestial unicorn living in your rectum that makes you fart?

Seriously, science isn't that dull, science doesn't prove or disprove anything, it offers evidence based theories that are the most accurate descriptions we have, science couldn't disprove the existance of a god if anyone even tried to (which no one has).

God is an unfalsifiable concept, but make claims related to the natural world about god and i'll disprove them one by one. We could do that if you are actually willing to challenge your beliefs.

To be religious means you are not only stupid, stubborn and blind, it also means that you will do your damnedest to stay that way.

[lasher]

To be atheist means you are not only stupid, stubborn and blind, it also means that you will do your damnedest to stay that way.

fixed.

[PowerSwede]

fixed.

See, that doesn't work unless you are prepared to believe in every notion that has no evidence for or against it but has been believed because of ancient peoples stories.