Alistair Overeem vs Brock Lesnar on December 30th

[97srad750]

Are you forgetting that Frank Mir was chaining together a bunch of submissions in his first fight with Lesnar? Reem would be like that, but much more aggressive and he is much, much stronger than Mir. Besides Carwin, Alister is probably the other strongest HW compared to Lesnar. He's not just strong, he's got long limbs too, so he shouldn't have a problem. I think Overeem will mostly attempt to get to his feet if taken down by Lesnar. That, or he will go for sweeps off his back if he can't get up and then go for GnP from the top or submissions from the top, not the bottom. If Overeem can survive being in Werdum's guard for the few seconds he was down there, I have no doubt that he isn't afraid of being under Brock Lesnar.

There is nothing to suggest that Reem is going to chain submission attempts together. He isn't a grappling machine. He's competent but that's about it. Being in someones guard for a few moments is completely different then having a 270 lb wrestler smothering you. That's something we've never seen him face.

[Lord_Lemon]

Are you forgetting that Frank Mir was chaining together a bunch of submissions in his first fight with Lesnar? Reem would be like that, but much more aggressive

[RedMaster]

I feel compelled to disagree with much of what has been written in this thread. While I am not arrogant enough to believe anything is a certainty in the world of MMA I do know that Overeem has the most potent knees in MMA and anyone who shoots in on him could be in for a real surprise. I also know that Overeem is by far the best striker in all of MMA no matter what anyone says about Cain or Dos Santos. If you were to throw Cain or Dos Santos into a K1 match they would be slaughtered. There is only one elite level striker in the Heavyweight division that not only fights but is a champion in a striking only sport and that is Overeem. I will admit that i have not seen Overeem's ground game in quit a long time and if brock gets him down he could win but I don't believe that will happen. Will be an interesting fight but Overeem hits much harder and is a far better striker than anyone Brock has ever seen.

[Workout4ever]

This will be Overeem vs Todd duffee II

[30/7/66]

"Brock couldn't take down a non-zombie Carwin."

missed that part, did ya?

nope just chose to ignore it as its a pathetic argument. facts speak volumes brah. brock got the takedown then won. simple as carwin was only a "zombie" because he gassed himself out due to brock defending his attack in the first round. brock took advantage of the situation.

[Blindead]

nope just chose to ignore it as its a pathetic argument. facts speak volumes brah. brock got the takedown then won. simple as carwin was only a "zombie" because he gassed himself out due to brock defending his attack in the first round. brock took advantage of the situation.

Yeah, he was using the impenetrable defense of putting his face in front of Carwin's fists to stop them. Taking down and submitting someone who can barely walk isn't impressive.

[30/7/66]

Yeah, he was using the impenetrable defense of putting his face in front of Carwin's fists to stop them. Taking down and submitting someone who can barely walk isn't impressive.

i bet to differ. beating a top HW like shane carwin is impressive! win,lose or draw brock will still get criticised so this debate is pointless...

[omegaboostz]

couldnt believe it when I saw that announcement. I taught it was an april fool but were in september.

I say go reem!!

[battousai216]

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nope just chose to ignore it as its a pathetic argument. facts speak volumes brah. brock got the takedown then won. simple as carwin was only a "zombie" because he gassed himself out due to brock defending his attack in the first round. brock took advantage of the situation.

You missed the point.he's saying since he couldn't take down carwin before he gassed he believes he can't take down reem unless he gasses

[2much2gain]

I also know that Overeem is by far the best striker in all of MMA no matter what anyone says about Cain or Dos Santos.

In ALL of MMA? Even better than Anderson Silva?

If you were to throw Cain or Dos Santos into a K1 match they would be slaughtered.

MMA and K1 striking are completely different. Overeems latest fight with Werdum was not impressive at all, he used those tiny 3oz gloves to cover up, which doesn't work very well in MMA. If you did that to Cain, JDS or Carwin, you could be in big trouble.

[97srad750]

In ALL of MMA? Even better than Anderson Silva?


MMA and K1 striking are completely different. Overeems latest fight with Werdum was not impressive at all, he used those tiny 3oz gloves to cover up, which doesn't work very well in MMA. If you did that to Cain, JDS or Carwin, you could be in big trouble.

If he does that against Lesnar he's getting doubled.

[Clean]

O look, Lord Lemon is back. Brock Lesnar finally let you out from under his nutsack lol? Come on dude, I'm no Frank Mir lover, but the dude was working off of his back in the first fight before Mazagatti stepped in. Even he didn't want it to be stopped at that point. Who won that fight too? O yea.....

[AmateurSurgeon]

I was leaning towards brock at first when i heard about this fight cause i thought his wrestling would be a big problem for overeem. but i just realized that brock has poor technique and only takes people down by out muscling them, but thats not gonna be the case with the reem. not to mention brock has barely started training since he got sick. hes not gonna have enough time to prepare for someone like the reem specially with his fear of getting hit.

[97srad750]

O look, Lord Lemon is back. Brock Lesnar finally let you out from under his nutsack lol? Come on dude, I'm no Frank Mir lover, but the dude was working off of his back in the first fight before Mazagatti stepped in. Even he didn't want it to be stopped at that point. Who won that fight too? O yea.....

He's laughing because you're suggesting that since Mir was chaining together submission attempts from his back then that means that Overeem can or will do it as well, except he's more aggressive and stronger at it. And that is an absurd statement.

[RedMaster]

In ALL of MMA? Even better than Anderson Silva?


MMA and K1 striking are completely different. Overeems latest fight with Werdum was not impressive at all, he used those tiny 3oz gloves to cover up, which doesn't work very well in MMA. If you did that to Cain, JDS or Carwin, you could be in big trouble.

I believe he is beter in a strictly striking sense than Silva. How many Muay Thai fights did Silva have and howlong has it been since he engaged in a striking only match? I am not criticisizing Silva as he is a tremendous striker and perhaps the best MMA striker on the planet but it cannot be disputed that Overeem holds more striking titles, I don't know if Silva has ever held one, and has had many more striking fights. I believe Overeem is the best striker in all of MMA as I stated earlier. Could I be wrong? Of course and that is why I made it clear that this is only my opinion.

Overeems last fight was not impressive but it was the 1st time I have seen him hesitant and I actuall believe the statements made by his camp that he was injured. His injury is what allowed the UFC to pull him from the Strikeforce Tournament. I know that fighters are often injured at fight time but I genuinely believe his injury greatly impacted his performance. Could i be wrong? Sure. If he fights a similar fight against Lesnar I will agree with you but at thistime I cannot agree as one fight does not define a career that has otherwise been aggressive to a fault.

[DFS200]

Live Free or Brock Hard

[Ka0s]

I also know that Overeem is by far the best striker in all of MMA no matter what anyone says about Cain or Dos Santos. If you were to throw Cain or Dos Santos into a K1 match they would be slaughtered. There is only one elite level striker in the Heavyweight division that not only fights but is a champion in a striking only sport and that is Overeem. .

Yes. Fabricio Werdum is widely regarded as the 2nd best striker in the world, and Overeem easily knocked him out in the first rou-....

Oh nevermind

[DFS200]

Yes. Fabricio Werdum is widely regarded as the 2nd best striker in the world, and Overeem easily knocked him out in the first rou-....

Oh nevermind

He who is without Brock may cast the first Brock.

[Clark_Kent]

Whosoever trusteth in Brock, happy is he.

[Ka0s]

He who is without Brock may cast the first Brock.

I dont know what this means but Id just like to repeat: Im not a fan of either of these guys

[Clark_Kent]

I dont know what this means but Id just like to repeat: Im not a fan of either of these guys

The one who does what is sinful is of Ubereem, because Ubereem has been sinning from the beginning. The reason Brock appeared was to destroy Ubereem’s work. John 3:8

[RoccoTanno123]

I feel compelled to disagree with much of what has been written in this thread. While I am not arrogant enough to believe anything is a certainty in the world of MMA I do know that Overeem has the most potent knees in MMA and anyone who shoots in on him could be in for a real surprise. I also know that Overeem is by far the best striker in all of MMA no matter what anyone says about Cain or Dos Santos. If you were to throw Cain or Dos Santos into a K1 match they would be slaughtered. There is only one elite level striker in the Heavyweight division that not only fights but is a champion in a striking only sport and that is Overeem. I will admit that i have not seen Overeem's ground game in quit a long time and if brock gets him down he could win but I don't believe that will happen. Will be an interesting fight but Overeem hits much harder and is a far better striker than anyone Brock has ever seen.

agree with most, but it is a different blamegame when takedowns are thrown into the mix. Where were those knees against Werdum when Fabricio shot for takedowns? If anything that fight seemed to show that Overeem, despite being a fantastic K-1 fighter, had some difficulty striking when he was worried about fending off takedowns.

[DFS200]

I dont know what this means but Id just like to repeat: Im not a fan of either of these guys

Yay though I walk through the valley of the shadow of Reem, I fear no Uber; for Brock art with me; Thy beef jerky and Thy cock tattoo, they comfort me

[chucksmanhood]

The one who does what is sinful is of Ubereem, because Ubereem has been sinning from the beginning. The reason Brock appeared was to destroy Ubereem’s work. John 3:8

Pure bare bottom talk. DragonDude 3:16

[Blindead]

Yes. Fabricio Werdum is widely regarded as the 2nd best striker in the world, and Overeem easily knocked him out in the first rou-....

Oh nevermind

He knocked out Badr Hari in 2 minutes. Badr Hari is a better striker than anyone in MMA, including Overeem. Werdum didn't engage and laid on his back every time Overeem started connecting.

he's beat the no 2, no 3, no 4 and no 7 hw kickboxers in the world...but yeah, he can't strike.

[WRXbrah]

Reem has this. If anything Lesnar shoots with a knee on the ground, gets kneed in the face and ktfo but still wins due to DQ. Both guys gas equally but Reems experience and his ability to not shutdown when hit in the face win it.

[DFS200]

He knocked out Badr Hari in 2 minutes. Badr Hari is a better striker than anyone in MMA, including Overeem. Werdum didn't engage and laid on his back every time Overeem started connecting.

he's beat the no 2, no 3, no 4 and no 7 hw kickboxers in the world...but yeah, he can't strike.

To be fair, Badr avenged that loss.

[Clark_Kent]

To be fair, Badr avenged that loss.

The steadfast love of Brock never ceases, his mercies never come to an end; they are new every morning.

[RoccoTanno123]

He knocked out Badr Hari in 2 minutes. Badr Hari is a better striker than anyone in MMA, including Overeem. Werdum didn't engage and laid on his back every time Overeem started connecting.

he's beat the no 2, no 3, no 4 and no 7 hw kickboxers in the world...but yeah, he can't strike.

Who exactly are you counting as 2-4? Badr, Aerts, and...Saki? I really like Alistair and think he's a great hw kickboxer, but lettuce be reality he has not beaten #s 2-4 in the world. He hasn't fought Semmy, who is probably still the #1. And he lost to Remy--who while retired, most guys would put in the top 3-4. That said, Alistair was definitely in the mix with those 3: semmy, badr, and remy, as the top tier HWs.

[Gomi]

Whosoever trusteth in Brock, happy is he.

i lol'd hard