Was Mind phuked in Nutriton Class today (srs)(possible war essured)(broscientis come)

[LMG23]

i dont see the problem here...

You have to cycle creatine brah, it looses it's effectiveness after awhile, you trolololoing ?

[shellski]

I'm seriously surprised that this is 'news' to some.

[SwagMorris]

if you know what you are doing, chances are they got the right amount of protein for bodyweight/lean muscle weight ratio.


and yes there have been documentation cases on liver failure, but must doesnt show up untill you are probably in your 40's 50's or 60's. depend how long you been working out and eating the same dumb chit

links?

[STPinPA]

Also...

You guys don't want to **** up your liver?

Don't drink, don't take perscription pills and drink a lot of water = Profit.

Seriously, drinking and some prescription medications are harder on your liver then Heroin and Methamphetamines....Don't believe me? Do some homework.

[Buzz_Lightyear]

What about when you introduce anabolic steroids into the mix? They enhance protein synthesis, thus the user will utilize more protein than the average natural person. I think that's why the norm is 1-2 grams of protein per pound of BW, because everyone takes advice and parrots what the fitness models/bbers say. And yes, all those people juice.

Anyways, I still get in a lot of extra protein and don't gain fat natty, so I think what you're saying OP applies to people that don't lift/workout.

Exactly. Their rate of protein synthesis is SIGNIFICANTLY higher, and they can use all the protein.

Now this is MY understanding, BUT, a lot of professional athletes are on cell-tech, correct ? Now, I have read that when anabolics are added into the equation of nutrition, that the body is able to process protein, carbs, and fats faster in differently then when not on. That is why you hear Jay Cutler eating 1000g of carbs and 400g and not be obese.

Let's not forget people like Jay Cutler probably have around 260lbs of MUSCLE on their frame, if not more. What is his contest weight like 275 or something? Muscle burns more calories at rest than fat, so it only makes sense for people like him to have to eat so much.

The anabolics increase the metabolism because of the increased rate of protein synthesis, which will lead to a great increase in lean tissue (muscle). The muscle is basically a by-product of the increased rate of protein synthesis (not to mention a great diet that only builds that much more lean tissue) and the metabolism is forced to go up because of this. There's direct relationships between all of these things.

[LMG23]

I'm seriously surprised that this is 'news' to some.

Well in most BBing magazines you see articles on diets and such and they all look the same, high protein, some carbs, little fat. To cut, high protein, high fat, little to no carbs. You don't need to cut carbs to cut fat, just up the cardio length wise or intensity wise and it evens out without cutting out the carbs. A lot of people believe every words that comes out of pros mouths and take it as fact when in reality they have a squad of trainers, nutritionist telling them what, when, and how to eat their food, it's easy to get confused.

[jjsafari]

shii!iit i drink my protein while pissing, while working out, while ****ting, while snorting protein powder, while drinking amino acids, while carb loading, while my body is in ketosis, while i shoot celltech in my as$. am i doing it wrong?

[jakeiscol]

You have to cycle creatine brah, it looses it's effectiveness after awhile, you trolololoing ?

show me a study


EDIT:

1. Countless research/studies proves it works
2. you only need to take 5-10grams post workout
3. It doesnt make you fat/bloated or whatever else.. (i confirmed this with Layne) Also if you dont believe me take a look at my AVI..
4. It lasts forever... 1 bottle will last 6 months
5. Also you dont need to cycle it.. (layne and vtech never cycle off creatine, neither do I) Why.. you may ask.. well there isnt any research that shows that you should..

If you arent taking it, its your loss

Goodluck with your fitness goals in 2009

[dopamine72]

I heard a rumor Kai Greene is on dialysis.

Yeah, but he is on a massive amount of gear. I highly doubt its from too much protein. My money is on aas abuse, orals can be VERY toxic as I'm sure you know. Andreas Munzer for example stacked a huge amount of orals together including 60mg + of halo which is arguably one of the most toxic orals out there. Supposedly the autopsy showed his liver was completely black.

[BCRich]

protein cannot be converted to fat/10

some carbs yes

[dopamine72]

protein cannot be converted to fat/10

some carbs yes

Age:19

Nutrition class grade: F

Ok so lets do a little study. I want you to eat 2,000 cals over maintenance of chicken breast. Lets see if you gain fat.

[Maiar]

supplement companies love the myth about needing epic amounts of protein because it helps them sell whey

[LMG23]

show me a study


EDIT:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne13.htm

Is it Necessary to Cycle Creatine?

Once again it is not necessary to do so but it can help. Your body has an internal equilibrium which you can swing in your favor for a duration of time, but over time that equilibrium will eventually swing back.

Meaning taking excess creatine for a short period of time (4-8 weeks) may temporarily increase your creatine phosphate stores but after awhile your body's feedback mechanisms will likely place some time of control on creatine phosphate storage to bring the levels back down to normal.

[Buzz_Lightyear]

Yeah, but he is on a massive amount of gear. I highly doubt its from too much protein. My money is on aas abuse, orals can be VERY toxic as I'm sure you know. Andreas Munzer for example stacked a huge amount of orals together including 60mg + of halo which is arguably one of the most toxic orals out there. Supposedly the autopsy showed his liver was completely black.

I thought I read somewhere that his internal organs were like dissolving in the hands of the people doing the autopsy lol.

[LMG23]

Yeah, but he is on a massive amount of gear. I highly doubt its from too much protein. My money is on aas abuse, orals can be VERY toxic as I'm sure you know. Andreas Munzer for example stacked a huge amount of orals together including 60mg + of halo which is arguably one of the most toxic orals out there. Supposedly the autopsy showed his liver was completely black.

High amounts of gear plus tons of protein = toxicity.

[bocheltree]

protein cannot be converted to fat/10

some carbs yes

i need consistent answers ppl

[dopamine72]

I thought I read somewhere that his internal organs were like dissolving in the hands of the people doing the autopsy lol.

Yeah that was it, lol. That was the epitome of steroid abuse/addiction right there, but man did that guy have a solid physique and some low fking body fat!

[Buzz_Lightyear]

protein cannot be converted to fat/10

some carbs yes

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluconeogenesis

"Gluconeogenesis (abbreviated GNG) is a metabolic pathway that results in the generation of glucose from non-carbohydrate carbon substrates such as lactate, glycerol, and glucogenic amino acids."

In a sense... you're actually right. Aminos can't be converted to fat, but they can be converted to glucose. And glucose can be converted to fat.

:coolface:

[*YoungGuns*]

No hate on your teacher or you, but I went from a 160lb emo kid to where I am now. All with the help of "bro-science". I think I'll stick with it.

[LMG23]

I thought I read somewhere that his internal organs were like dissolving in the hands of the people doing the autopsy lol.

Yes, I read that the person performing the autopsy picked up his liver to weigh it and it was mush. I believe it was said his heart was abnormally large as well due to the HGH I suppose.

[Buzz_Lightyear]

i need consistent answers ppl

read the link i posted

Yeah that was it, lol. That was the epitome of steroid abuse/addiction right there, but man did that guy have a solid physique and some low fking body fat!

yeah. he had freakin cheek (face) striations...

[bocheltree]

sooooo, if you eat an amount of protein, that your body doesnt need to use to rebuild, and instead uses it as energy (converts to glycogen) and then u dont use all of that, it turns to fat?


amidointhisright?


edit: i meant glucose, not glycogen

[dopamine72]

High amounts of gear plus tons of protein = toxicity.

The problem here is people are over exaggerating the danger of a long term high protein diet. I highly doubt anyone is going to consume enough protein for a long enough time to do any sever damage, really someone start posting some links of this theory.

The damage that a high protein diet can do, if any, cannot be compared to the damage aas can do. If a Pro BBer/PLer is having liver problems, its the roids people, not the protein.

[RJxEdge]

all i know is that the more protein I consume the more muscle i put on, and bigger i get.
/thread

[TheAdlerian]

This is new to you OP?
mind=blown

Agreed, and not knowing what whey is before taking a college class?

At least he's getting educated.

[dopamine72]

This is supposedly the last cycle that Andreas Munzer took before he died

Weeks 1-10
Ephidren-Aspirin-Clenbuterol-******-Captagon-Cytomel


Weeks 1-5
500mg Test E ED
152mg Parabolan ED
150mg Dbol ED
150mg Halo ED
20iu HGH ED
20iu Slin ED


Weeks 6-8
300mg Masteron ED
152 Parablan ED
250mg Winni Tabs ED
150mg Halo ED
50mg Winni inj. ED
24iu's HGH ED

Weeks 9-10
200mg Masteron ED
100mg Winni inj. ED
200mg Halo ED
400mg Winni tabs ED
24iu's HGH ED
Insulin ED
IGF ED





Yeah it must have been too much protein that killed him

[Buzz_Lightyear]

^^I've read that before. Fukkin rediculous cycle.

[LMG23]

The problem here is people are over exaggerating the danger of a long term high protein diet. I highly doubt anyone is going to consume enough protein for a long enough time to do any sever damage, really someone start posting some links of this theory.

The damage that a high protein diet can do, if any, cannot be compared to the damage aas can do. If a Pro BBer/PLer is having liver problems, its the roids people, not the protein.

Agreed that anabolics will cause more harm than a high protein diet. It is a fact that the liver has to process protein, if you eat more protein, it has to work harder. The harder it works, the shorter the life span. Now, will most of us eat THAT much protein that we will need to do on dialysis ? I highly doubt it, but add alcohol, Rx meds, aspirin and our livers are taking a beating. I always try to drink at least a gallon of water a day to somewhat alleviate the stress on my liver from all the food, not only protein, that I eat.

[dopamine72]

^^I've read that before. Fukkin rediculous cycle.

Yeah I just edited it, all that was ED(every day), looool, just insane. And I was way off on the halo, I said 60mg ED and it was really 200

Agreed that anabolics will cause more harm than a high protein diet. It is a fact that the liver has to process protein, if you eat more protein, it has to work harder. The harder it works, the shorter the life span. Now, will most of us eat THAT much protein that we will need to do on dialysis ? I highly doubt it, but add alcohol, Rx meds, aspirin and our livers are taking a beating. I always try to drink at least a gallon of water a day to somewhat alleviate the stress on my liver from all the food, not only protein, that I eat.

Yeah, I just don't think a high protein diet along will do anything bad down the line. And if it is combined with the other things you mentioned, I would venture to say the high protein diet was 0.1% of the problem.

[Thetal0n]

Yeah, but he is on a massive amount of gear. I highly doubt its from too much protein. My money is on aas abuse, orals can be VERY toxic as I'm sure you know. Andreas Munzer for example stacked a huge amount of orals together including 60mg + of halo which is arguably one of the most toxic orals out there. Supposedly the autopsy showed his liver was completely black.

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=220063.0