People Not Taking X Factor Anymore?

[neuron]

Omega 3's perform well in a lot of body composition studies I've seen, wouldn't the pros of use in this context outweigh the cons?

Well, they don't synergize with each other, and they compete for the same series of enzyme's, so what's the point? Take one, or take the other.

[TMac26]

Well, they don't synergize with each other, and they compete for the same series of enzyme's, so what's the point? Take one, or take the other.

Would it be better to take them at different points? Like take the Fish Oil with breakfast and then say take the X-Factor like 6-7 hours later pre workout?

[BringnIt]

Would it be better to take them at different points? Like take the Fish Oil with breakfast and then say take the X-Factor like 6-7 hours later pre workout?

This was along the lines of my thought process.

[Maluket]

A bathroom scale, calipers, and statistical software told me that I gained 5 pounds of lean body mass in 50 days on it. However, the tightness of my pants disagreed, and said that at least SOME of that weight was fat. So it's hard to say for sure how well it worked for me. I WILL be trying it again, though. We'll see if the gains repeat.

wtf paradox

If you can measure your weight and bodyfat levels then u can accurately determine how much weight is fat and LBM

unless u gained a total more then 5lbs, then that makes sense and u just havent been specific

Sorry for the slow response. OK, yes, I DEFINITELY could have been more clear - I gained 5 pounds of weight; this may or may not have been lean body mass.

And perhaps I can explain why I CANNOT accurately determine how much weight is fat and LBM. It's a small matter of the accuracy and statistical significance of measurements, something that many people don't really understand. Here's what I did:

I took frequent bathroom scale measurements of my weight.

I took frequent caliper measurements of my body fat percentage.

I calculated my lean body mass from these two measurements.

The resulting LBM had day-to-day variations of up to 10 pounds. Obviously my LBM is not changing that fast. Therefore, the measurements are inaccurate. They are only useful when MANY such measurements are made, allowing the results to be statistically significant.

So using statistical software, I plotted the linear trend lines for these measurements.

The trend lines say I gained about 5 pounds, and essentially ALL of it was lean body mass.

However, the waist of my pants also got tighter. This suggests that the trend lines are incorrect, and that at least SOME of the gain was in body fat. This suggests that I did not have enough measurements to accurately determine my increase in LBM. I intend to take at least daily measurements the next time I'm on X-Factor Advanced, which I'll be starting in a couple weeks.

Here's a picture of what I'm talking about. A picture is probably worth a thousand words about why I can't trust that I gained 5 pounds of lean body mass, even if the results are suggestive, and therefore the experiment worth repeating. (Edit: And yes, I'm a big fatty.)

[G.W. Hayduke]

Sup oldtimer? Haven't seen you around lately.

Well, I was out gettin me some more schoolin, then my finances went to ****... so I had to move into my mom's basement. Now I'm surrounded by cats.

It's not great, but it could be a helluva lot worse. At least it gives me more time to write.

[G.W. Hayduke]

The resulting LBM had day-to-day variations of up to 10 pounds. Obviously my LBM is not changing that fast. Therefore, the measurements are inaccurate. They are only useful when MANY such measurements are made, allowing the results to be statistically significant.

So using statistical software, I plotted the linear trend lines for these measurements.

The trend lines say I gained about 5 pounds, and essentially ALL of it was lean body mass.

However, the waist of my pants also got tighter. This suggests that the trend lines are incorrect, and that at least SOME of the gain was in body fat. This suggests that I did not have enough measurements to accurately determine my increase in LBM. I intend to take at least daily measurements the next time I'm on X-Factor Advanced, which I'll be starting in a couple weeks.

(Edit: And yes, I'm a big fatty.)

It is possible to have a net loss in BF with a sort of redistribution of fat stores. So, you may have overall lost fat, but for whatever reason (there are a number of situations in which fat is preferentially stored in the gut) your belly got fatter therefore causing your pants to fit tighter.

And yes, you're right about the stats probably being inaccurate. And it is often hard to take reliable BF measurements yourself. This is why us former personal trainers generally recommend the mirror method.

On your last point: if you really are a fatty as you say, it's probably not a good idea to be supplementing with ArA. You are likely to be in a metabolic state that urges towards ArA's bad side.

[Maluket]

On your last point: if you really are a fatty as you say, it's probably not a good idea to be supplementing with ArA. You are likely to be in a metabolic state that urges towards ArA's bad side.

Can you explain? Or if not, I guess I have some more reading to do. I'm aware that you want to push the ArA into the muscles, and NOT into, say, fat stores, though I'm not remembering why at the moment (other than it being wasteful). I do take it right before working out in an attempt to do that. And I'm also not a couch potato just getting into working out. I've worked out off and on since my teens, though only REALLY got serious over the past couple years, during which I've put on quite a bit of muscle, and stopped getting fatter. I'm not losing fat since adding muscle is more my current priority. I'm sure that will change eventually. I probably work out about 5 hours per week, almost entirely weightlifting. As far as stats, I'm 6'3" and 300 lbs, 40" waist, and the calipers say 240 lbs lean body mass, though I bet it's a bit lower than that. I just can't imagine that if I were sitting here with a six pack that I'd still be well over 250. Anyway, hopefully that gives you enough information about my metabolic state to say if you still think it's a bad idea for me to be taking ArA. Thanks!

[BringnIt]

Can you explain? Or if not, I guess I have some more reading to do. I'm aware that you want to push the ArA into the muscles, and NOT into, say, fat stores, though I'm not remembering why at the moment (other than it being wasteful). I do take it right before working out in an attempt to do that. And I'm also not a couch potato just getting into working out. I've worked out off and on since my teens, though only REALLY got serious over the past couple years, during which I've put on quite a bit of muscle, and stopped getting fatter. I'm not losing fat since adding muscle is more my current priority. I'm sure that will change eventually. I probably work out about 5 hours per week, almost entirely weightlifting. As far as stats, I'm 6'3" and 300 lbs, 40" waist, and the calipers say 240 lbs lean body mass, though I bet it's a bit lower than that. I just can't imagine that if I were sitting here with a six pack that I'd still be well over 250. Anyway, hopefully that gives you enough information about my metabolic state to say if you still think it's a bad idea for me to be taking ArA. Thanks!

I assume he's referring to how ArA is seemingly distributed in tissues differently in obese models and is theorized to cause greater secretions in insulin and some other things I'm sure I'm unaware of. Also, I believe obese models have higher inflammatory markers typically.

[wheathins]

Technically, it's not optimal, as the goal in supplementing pre-workout is getting it to the muscle, not having it "stored" (one of the reasons why I personally wouldn't even use it on non-training days with respect to the body's natural regulation of PG activity). As far as insulin is concerned, it's actually quite the opposite, but in a good way.

this is interesting...

[barbarian1543]

Is there any scientific reason to take it on off days considering the post above?

Would you be better off taking a double dosage pre-workout (8x), instead of the normal 4x preworkout, 4x off days?

[PinchTheBear]

Is there any scientific reason to take it on off days considering the post above?

The reasoning would not necessarily differ from that of a pre-workout dosage, but the most efficient allocation of the doses is indisputably pre-workout. That's not saying it has no application on non training days (i.e. taking the full dose in a post absorptive state, maybe with some forskolin and caffeine), but I would personally save it for pre-workout.

[JoelMcClain]

if only there were a thread in the science section on how to maximize Ara levels

hmmmm

[theculture]

If i eat 3 egg yolks a day, isnt that enough to replace XFactor?

[PinchTheBear]

if only there were a thread in the science section on how to maximize Ara levels

hmmmm

There isn't.

[barbarian1543]

The reasoning would not necessarily differ from that of a pre-workout dosage, but the most efficient allocation of the doses is indisputably pre-workout. That's not saying it has no application on non training days (i.e. taking the full dose in a post absorptive state, maybe with some forskolin and caffeine), but I would personally save it for pre-workout.

Thanks for the info.
I will stack with bioforge and change the dosages based on how I feel.
In the end, the goal is to gain as much mass as possible.

[kfairhurst]

You will need 390 chicken egg yolks to get the amount in 2 pills.

Brb, going to the farmers market

Theres a small chart around with the content of Ara per food item around here somewhere.

[barbarian1543]

Brb, going to the farmers market

Theres a small chart around with the content of Ara per food item around here somewhere.

Sorry that 390 chicken egg I wrote was incorrect. It it actually much less than that.

I rechecked on google and there is 65mg-135mg ArA per chicken egg yolk.

I think chicken egg yolks are not the replacement for X-Factor because who can eat 1g of ArA from chicken egg yolks pre workout? And you won't save much money by doing so anyways

I do think it will be excellent to add lots of egg yolks in the diet though to increase the total amount of ArA during a 50-75 day cycle.

EDIT: Here is a good link with comparisons:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...ic-acid-x.html

[kfairhurst]

Sorry that 390 chicken egg I wrote was incorrect. It it actually much less than that.

I rechecked on google and there is 65mg-135mg ArA per chicken egg yolk.

I think chicken egg yolks are not the replacement for X-Factor because who can eat 1g of ArA from chicken egg yolks pre workout? And you won't save much money by doing so anyways

I do think it will be excellent to add lots of egg yolks in the diet though to increase the total amount of ArA during a 50-75 day cycle.

EDIT: Here is a good link with comparisons:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/suppl...ic-acid-x.html

mg of arachidonic acid per 100 g of food, and error ranges:

891 free range duck egg yolks ±172 = 719 to 1063
390 chicken egg yolks ±72 = 318 to 462
294 ox liver (aka beef liver) ±64 = 230 to 358
153 lamb kidney ±11 = 142 to 164
100 Atlantic salmon (no skin) ±92 = 8 to 192
75 skinless turkey (breast, leg, and whole bird) ±24 = 51 to 99
63 turkey with skin (breast, leg, and whole bird) ±13 = 50 to 76
56 pork (leg steak, aka leg cutlet, fresh ham steak) ±8 = 48 to 64
56 skinless chicken legs ±3 = 53 to 59
49 lamb fillet ±7 = 42 to 56
35 beef (rump steak, aka round steak, rump roast) ±5 = 30 to 40
31 skinless chicken breast ±2 = 29 to 33

There you go!

[JoelMcClain]

There isn't.

lulz

I didnt actually look when I wrote that, I just remembered reading it and where it was

now that I looked I can say its; "Maximizing Arachidonic Acid delivery to skeletal muscle"

[barbarian1543]

mg of arachidonic acid per 100 g of food, and error ranges:

891 free range duck egg yolks ±172 = 719 to 1063
390 chicken egg yolks ±72 = 318 to 462
294 ox liver (aka beef liver) ±64 = 230 to 358
153 lamb kidney ±11 = 142 to 164
100 Atlantic salmon (no skin) ±92 = 8 to 192
75 skinless turkey (breast, leg, and whole bird) ±24 = 51 to 99
63 turkey with skin (breast, leg, and whole bird) ±13 = 50 to 76
56 pork (leg steak, aka leg cutlet, fresh ham steak) ±8 = 48 to 64
56 skinless chicken legs ±3 = 53 to 59
49 lamb fillet ±7 = 42 to 56
35 beef (rump steak, aka round steak, rump roast) ±5 = 30 to 40
31 skinless chicken breast ±2 = 29 to 33

There you go!

Thanks for the info.

Right now I am doing research to get the most use out of this supplement, while not experiencing any side effects by taking other supplements for support.

I am adding more products in my plan to make a stack for a powerful massive bulk.

Any suggestions are appreciated

[SwolenONE]

It's good to see so much discussion on ArA and X-Factor, post in this thread or PM me if anyone has any specific questions that I can address. Not only do I rep MN, but Ive used X-Factor multiple times over the past 5 yrs.

[velocityrob]

Thanks for the info.

Right now I am doing research to get the most use out of this supplement, while not experiencing any side effects by taking other supplements for support.

I am adding more products in my plan to make a stack for a powerful massive bulk.

Any suggestions are appreciated

What products do you have already? Spill it, man!! We're here to help.

I'm taking XFA and Test Factor right now. I feel like I'm just starting to feel the ArA take effect- DOMS are creeping in.

[fitcopforlife]

What products do you have already? Spill it, man!! We're here to help.

I'm taking XFA and Test Factor right now. I feel like I'm just starting to feel the ArA take effect- DOMS are creeping in.

Solid, I forgot to ask, are you doing the 6 TF daily?

[velocityrob]

Solid, I forgot to ask, are you doing the 6 TF daily?

Yup. I take 2 Orange Triad, and 2 Test Factor caps 3 times a day. Got 'em all sorted out into little ziplock bags. My desk at work really does look like a pharmacy.

[LouB2010]

I am really interested in X Factor Advanced but why can you only take for 50 days??? I don't get it...

Yup. I take 2 Orange Triad, and 2 Test Factor caps 3 times a day. Got 'em all sorted out into little ziplock bags. My desk at work really does look like a pharmacy.

[wheathins]

I am really interested in X Factor Advanced but why can you only take for 50 days??? I don't get it...

I believe that is just how long the study was done for but they still recommend only using it for 50 days though some people have ran it longer.

So has anyone used this product strictly on workout days with success?