Bio Forge

[tnasrawi]

I am 19 years old and i am thinking of taking Bio Forge and i need some people opinions.

[PJMunh]

for a 19 year old who doesn't have low test it'll be a couple of $50 boners.

[UHCougar05]

You more than likely won't see much out of a test booster at 19. Not to say that Bioforge isn't an excellent product. But you'll probably be better off looking at a creatine product, whether it's Creapure, MCC, or Creatine Nitrate.

[koard31]

for a 19 year old who doesn't have low test it'll be a couple of $50 boners.

Sounds like a couple beers and a night at the strip club at that age.

[TomMutaffis]

I am 19 years old and i am thinking of taking Bio Forge and i need some people opinions.

At 19 years old you should already have optimal hormone levels for muscle building.

Your best bet would be to stick with a quality protein powder, creatine, and beta alanine.

[PJMunh]

Sounds like a couple beers and a night at the strip club at that age.

lmao.

Your arguement is very unconvincing. Perhaps you should have started it with HAHAHAHA

aware.

but i think this is a new troll.

At 19 years old you should already have optimal hormone levels for muscle building.

Your best bet would be to stick with a quality protein powder, creatine, and beta alanine.

assuming he doesn't have low test (which I think he would have put in the OP if it was the case)

[rhadam]

It's been proven that test boosters will increase levels at your age. Is it necessary if you have normal test levels? No not really. It's basically a monitary question. Have unlimited money for lots of food and protein supps AND a booster? Sure buy Bioforge it's one of the best out there. Don't have the money for a complete training/diet program? Then skip the test booster and just buy tons of food.

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[32gOfNattyPB]

for a 19 year old who doesn't have low test it'll be a couple of $50 boners.

hahahahahahahaha!!!!!

[THEHUGE]

Your arguement is very unconvincing. Perhaps you should have started it with HAHAHAHA

He's not ksanchez but a different tool.

but i think this is a new troll.

Correct.

[CoolBoyyBeatz]

Have you ever thought about entering a spelling bee? You could totally do some damage on jeopardy or something.

LMFAO! Is it that deep?

[THEHUGE]

Let me quote Pinch:

If something boosts test, it boosts test. I think the larger issues with younger people using test boosters are not involving whether or not they actually boost testosterone, but:

A) They generally expect too much.
B) Their diet and training are not in order, so they are looking for a "short-cut" (i.e. they're not making gains, and think supplements are the answer).
C) Both of the above.

People who stress that younger people should stay away from test boosters are sometimes if not usually correct, but not because a certain product is magically ineffective in younger people. The generalizations about individual endocrine systems are unwarranted; however, the generalizations about teenaged judgement calls are arguably warranted.

[rhadam]

Have you ever thought about entering a spelling bee? You could totally do some damage on jeopardy or something.

Spelling or even syntax for that matter has nothing to do with the point being made.

[rhadam]

I had something bigger typed out but there's no point in trying to reason with or get trolled by a bitch ass. You're comparing a natty test booster to an AAS. R O F L. Idiot.

[swole-striation]

just popped my first bio forge pill

will tell about my experience in a few weeks

[rhadam]

You might get it someday. Just keep listening to a THEHUGE joke. You really are a massive individual.

You assume much, yet know very little. Chinese proverb.

[rhadam]

No those words all accurately describe you. I could think of a few more, but i just don't want to stoop to your level

[THEHUGE]

No those words all accurately describe you. I could think of a few more, but i just don't want to stoop to your level

Exactly. Surprisingly this clown is not yet banned (you see stupid troll, "my mods crew" doesn't overly care about tards with an agenda like you even though you're breaking every rule of this forum with your pathetic lies and multiple logins).

[N4cer]

I haven't paid attention to test boosters in the last year. But I remember a year ago that all the research done showed a very slight rise in test, but still hadn't shown that increased test to correlate with any lbm gain. And that's the part that matters. If it's not increasing muscle, increased test doesn't matter.

So because I still see no such evidence - and such info would be the keystone to advertising the product - I'll request it again:

PLEASE SHOW THE CLAIMED INCREASE IN TEST HAS SOME SIGNIFICANCE.

Ill personally buy 2 bottles today if I can get that info in a legit form from a legit, unbiased source.

[THEHUGE]

I haven't paid attention to test boosters in the last year. But I remember a year ago that all the research done showed a very slight rise in test, but still hadn't shown that increased test to correlate with any lbm gain. And that's the part that matters. If it's not increasing muscle, increased test doesn't matter.

So because I still see no such evidence - and such info would be the keystone to advertising the product - I'll request it again:

PLEASE SHOW THE CLAIMED INCREASE IN TEST HAS SOME SIGNIFICANCE.

Ill personally buy 2 bottles today if I can get that info in a legit form from a legit, unbiased source.

May I ask you which source are you willing to consider unbiased?
That being said we're on the same page: claims by most companies are simply retarded (stuff such as 20lbs gain of ripped mass and or unbelievable strenght gains in a couple weeks just piss me off).

[THEHUGE]

Unbiased: no connection that would benefit from the data.

Forskolin was clinically shown to elicit favorable changes in body composition by significantly decreasing body fat percentage and increasing lean body mass compared with the placebo group. Granted, I do not think this effect is due to the moderate increase in testosterone level it caused.

[Saintly]

Then what caused it? What possessed you to type this? Please enlighten us. You should be touting this miracle effect instead of your claims of increased testosterone.

And the fact that he isn't shows that he's not an honorless salesman out to push his products upon any and every malleable mind he encounters on the forums.

The claims of increased testosterone are emphasized because that's what a testosterone booster is supposed to do. There is bloodwork confirming the claims.

As for increased strength/LBM and decreased BF, it seems those effects are correlated to elevated levels of testosterone. Users of reputable boosters consistently seem to experience such effects in conjunction with the elevated testosterone demonstrated by bloodwork.

You're concerned with LBM gains and that is what is facilitated by certain test boosters it seems, regardless of the exact mechanism of action. Is there a problem here...?

[Saintly]

Yes, there is. You're just another supp company puppet. Although, you're young and seem to have an IQ above the room temperature. Maybe there's some hope. I have seen plenty of the false elevated testosterone readings and biased useless bloodwork. Sure you could say strength and LBM are positively correlated with testosterone(among bb'ers of course). Only the possible negligible increase in testosterone from natty boosters will not be enough to measurably impact strength and LBM gains. AAS testosterone raises test around 5,000, bioforge claims 100(best case). See the problem here. A gain of ten pounds on a 10+ week test cycle is considered excellent. Should we do the math and expect a gain of less than .5 extra pounds on a 10 week bioforge cycle?

Who said there's a linear relationship between the degree of testosterone elevation and LBM increase? Incorrect assumptions lead to incorrect results...

And, as I implied in my last post, the LBM gains from the use of certain test boosters may not be solely the result of the increase in testosterone. Test boosters contain several ingredients each having different functions while AAS is just pure testosterone.

[Saintly]

It's been established for the past half century. The greater the dose of test, the greater the effects. Simple stuff. What other functions would a test booster have is the question, lol. Let me save you the trouble. None, lol. I'll go out on a limb here and say that thehuge just pulled that out of his rear end. Diet and training are what produces results. The gains would've been made without the test booster.

Yes, I'm aware of the general positive correlation between dosage and effects... it seems to hold for many other things as well and not just testosterone. -.-

I'm saying that in your 'math', you assumed a linear relationship. How can you be sure that this is the case?

[ddon1]

Although I myself had really good results with Bioforge and look to run a cycle after the holiday season, I can appreciate your concern "dinner" about a valid product.But your presentation appears to be that of a jackass.Chill with the attack mode.ON WITH THE INFO!

[N4cer]

Yes, I'm aware of the general positive correlation between dosage and effects... it seems to hold for many other things as well and not just testosterone. -.-

I'm saying that in your 'math', you assumed a linear relationship. How can you be sure that this is the case?

Exactly. Focus on the insignificant details rather than the point.

[THEHUGE]

Then what caused it? What possessed you to type this? Please enlighten us. You should be touting this miracle effect instead of your claims of increased testosterone.

I don't hype it. It's that simple. Zero advertising, zero absurd claims. People just like its effects. So get your BS and cry somewhere else.
If you were even remotely familiar with cAMP and its manipulation you wouldn't be posting dumb question like that. Oh, wait...you would anyway, you're a troll.
Forskolin increases the lean body mass by stimulating the enzyme adenylate cyclase (AC), with a resulting increase in the levels of cAMP. The increase levels of cAMP in the tissues correspond well to enhancing the thermogenic response to food. An increase in the thermogenic response to food, in turn, improves absorption of nutrients and their preferential incorporation into lean body mass. Thus, the formation of lean body mass is promoted.
It works as follows:

forskolin stimulates noradrenaline released from the sympathetic nerves to interact with beta-adrenergic receptors;
this results in an increase in AC enzyme, with a subsequent rise in cAMP levels;
CAMP stimulates the activity of a protein kinase which phosphorylates a hormone-sensitive lipase to produce the active form of this enzyme;
the lipase stimulates the release of fatty acids from body adipose depots;
the released fatty acids stimulate the uncoupling process in the mitochondria, resulting in thermogenesis and provision of fuel to increase thermogenesis;
there is an increase in T4 5' deiodinase, which activates the thermogenic thyroid hormone T3;
there is an increase in the beta-adrenergic dependent metabolic functions,
which leads to an increase in the lean body mass, i.e., activation of phosphorylase in skeletal muscles, insulin secretion, and the synthesis and secretion of androgenic steroid hormones.

I have seen plenty of the false elevated testosterone readings and biased useless bloodwork. AAS testosterone raises test around 5,000, bioforge claims 100(best case)

Jeez, where to begin...you're so embarassingly stupid.
LMAO wtf is a false and biased bloodwork? People posted false blood test results just because they love me? This has to be the most retarded idea ever.
Have I ever compared the effect of Bioforge to AAS? Other companies do, I didn't. Ever.
Thanks also for pulling numbers out of your ass as usual, BTW the average increase in testosterone reported is way higher than 100 mere ng/dl and to reach 5,000 you have to inject 1 gram a week. Clown

Although I myself had really good results with Bioforge and look to run a cycle after the holiday season, I can appreciate your concern "dinner" about a valid product.But your presentation appears to be that of a jackass.Chill with the attack mode.

An idiot owned several times, banned several times. What did you expect? Angry kid is angry.

[ddon1]

It's been established for the past half century. The greater the dose of test, the greater the effects. Simple stuff. What other functions would a test booster have is the question, lol. Let me save you the trouble. None, lol. I'll go out on a limb here and say that thehuge just pulled that out of his rear end. Diet and training are what produces results. The gains would've been made without the test booster.

I don't hype it. It's that simple. Zero advertising, zero absurd claims. People just like its effects. So get your BS and cry somewhere else.
If you were even remotely familiar with cAMP and its manipulation you wouldn't be posting dumb question like that. Oh, wait...you would anyway, you're a troll.
Forskolin increases the lean body mass by stimulating the enzyme adenylate cyclase (AC), with a resulting increase in the levels of cAMP. The increase levels of cAMP in the tissues correspond well to enhancing the thermogenic response to food. An increase in the thermogenic response to food, in turn, improves absorption of nutrients and their preferential incorporation into lean body mass. Thus, the formation of lean body mass is promoted.
It works as follows:

forskolin stimulates noradrenaline released from the sympathetic nerves to interact with beta-adrenergic receptors;
this results in an increase in AC enzyme, with a subsequent rise in cAMP levels;
CAMP stimulates the activity of a protein kinase which phosphorylates a hormone-sensitive lipase to produce the active form of this enzyme;
the lipase stimulates the release of fatty acids from body adipose depots;
the released fatty acids stimulate the uncoupling process in the mitochondria, resulting in thermogenesis and provision of fuel to increase thermogenesis;
there is an increase in T4 5' deiodinase, which activates the thermogenic thyroid hormone T3;
there is an increase in the beta-adrenergic dependent metabolic functions,
which leads to an increase in the lean body mass, i.e., activation of phosphorylase in skeletal muscles, insulin secretion, and the synthesis and secretion of androgenic steroid hormones.


Jeez, where to begin...you're so embarassingly stupid.
LMAO wtf is a false and biased bloodwork? People posted false blood test results just because they love me? This has to be the most retarded idea ever.
Have I ever compared the effect of Bioforge to AAS? Other companies do, I didn't. Ever.
Thanks also for pulling numbers out of your ass as usual, BTW the average increase in testosterone reported is way higher than 100 mere ng/dl and to reach 5,000 you have to inject 1 gram a week. Clown



An idiot owned several times, banned several times. What did you expect? Angry kid is angry.

Well said!

[ddon1]

Haha, look at that. Mods deleted over a dozen of my posts(only 2 from this thread). I must be doing something right.

???

[ddon1]

Let me explain, mr. 2 posts per year. My response was deleted. Too much effort too little reward to repost it. Maybe the dickless jellyfish mod who deleted it can explain the rest.

Such anger! Wow!

[rhadam]

Angry troll is angry. Maybe if you didn't have such a personal vendetta against TheHuge or Biotivia and make pointless posts comparing natty test boosters to AAS'... Lawl... you wouldn't get your crap deleted. You might actually not get laughed at either. I have no vested interest in Biotivia or TheHuge, i've never taken Bioforge so i could care less. I can say though that it's funny to listen to someone regurgitating things they've read off the internet and don't really know much about, only to get owned by a rep that actually knows something about the human body. Stick to trolling Hellow Kitty Island Adventure forums bro, you don't belong here.