This is a Bodybuilding site!

[Adelaide.]

OMG you two stop it! Now I want pancakes and cinnamon rolls! Neither of which I have available in my kitchen right now!

[juliacheh]

you're a false bodybuilder

I know, Miranda, I have fake muscles too

[juliacheh]

Ah, you're a better person than I.

Mmm, those sound good. I'm getting ready to eat cinnamon rolls so I guess that makes me a "fake bodybuilder" despite the fact I've been lifting now for years :P. LOL, we just don't fall prey to broscience, I guess we should be thankful for that.

Lauren, cinamon rolls sounds fun.

[heidismommy]

OMG you two stop it! Now I want pancakes and cinnamon rolls! Neither of which I have available in my kitchen right now!

LOL, mmmm. They are in the oven now and they smell really good!

Lauren, cinamon rolls sounds fun.

Definitely! I'm getting ready to eat these:



I don't eat them often, maybe once a month, but OMG I've been craving them (darn hormones, lol). Heidi loves them too. She's still sleeping, but I think the smell of the rolls will get her up soon.

[Miranda]

I know, Miranda, I have fake muscles too

mine are faker than yours. i ate three apples today.

[Adelaide.]

LOL, mmmm. They are in the oven now and they smell really good!

That is just mean.


Eidt: *GASP* Not only are you eating cinnamon rolls, they aren't even home made! You'll never build muscle again!

[heidismommy]

That is just mean.
Eidt: *GASP* Not only are you eating cinnamon rolls, they aren't even home made! You'll never build muscle again!

Haha oops, sorry . I guess the food porn I posted didn't help.

Don't you know........I'm genetically gifted (J/K of course :P). I'll admit I try to eat healthy most of the time, but it's all about balance and moderation when it comes to health and body composition. And I've been able to build muscle and stay lean without having to resort to following silly myths about foods.

[heidismommy]

mine are faker than yours. i ate three apples today.

Yeah, but I eat fruit besides just apples and pears :P. Like bananas , berries, grapes, watermelon, nectarines, pineapple---all that good stuff.

[Rowyn]

Just a quick note to clarify this with a few people.

I have checked out a few posts and it has become clear that the site seems to have people on it giving advice that are not bodybuilders, to people who are specifically asking about bodybuilding. Although, its nice to get a wide ranging opinion, bodybuilding is completely different than just going on diet, or getting a bit toned. It is a disciplined life-style choice, that involves quality nutrients, supplements and gym programmes that have to be religiously followed, to achieve the bodybuilders defined muscle low fat body. Most of us do it because we love it! And it doesn't feel like a chore! But when giving advice can people be specific about whether they are a bodybuilder or not? It is only fair to be honest about that, especially when offering advice to noobs! Also the different approaches to bodybuilding can be confusing enough without someone putting in info that is not correct for people who wish to become bodybuilders!
I have been slated for putting particularly nutritional advice up on posts that follow a clean eating bb diet. Which for me is a two-fold issue a) what I have said are the basics of any bb diet and b) why slate people for their knowledge, experience and expertise anyway, it is fine to think differently, but showing respect for others opinion costs nothing.

I am certainly not saying don't comment, we are all entitled to our opinion, but maybe just be totally clear if you are not infact a bodybuilder.

What do people think? I can't be the only bber that has had this experience?

Its the internet. Who can tell who is more knowledgable than another? What defines a bodybuilder? If you have been on hiatus for a while, you may look like crap. Therefore, should I not take your adivce?

You can't tell people what they can and cannot post, and you also should not take offense when others question your own validity when you are doing the SAME THING (questioning experience).

The majority of the women on here DO lift heavy and like the asethic of bb'ing. Does that make each and every one of them an expert on bb'ing? It doesn't even make us all bb'ers, imo. There are many ways to skin a cat, and some people manage to get good results from some very freaky programs and nutrition.

Its up to the poster to earn respect by posting sound advice and people will notice that over time. And you must also learn more about the forum before making assumptions. The comments you posted about us (Fem Forum) in the British thread were pretty freaking nasty. You are clearly not listening to us either but are shrieking replies left and right (exclamation point exclamation point).

Take it easy, figure out what end is up before you start throwing criticisms out there. Go look at the regular nutrition boards if you want a big laugh.

[Adelaide.]

Haha oops, sorry . I guess the food porn I posted didn't help.

Don't you know........I'm genetically gifted (J/K of course :P). I'll admit I try to eat healthy most of the time, but it's all about balance and moderation when it comes to health and body composition. And I've been able to build muscle and stay lean without having to resort to following silly myths about foods.

I will forgive you since you are pregnant and everyone knows pregnant women are crazy

I totally agree with you. After I lost weight quite a few women asked me what I had done, and told me about their misadventures, and one of the biggest things that stuck out was that they had deprived themselves of food they liked because of silly myths (Carbs at night, GAH!) and they weren't able to stick with their plan.

I figured that in the long run it was better to be a healthy weight and eat a few questionable things once in a while than to be bouncing all over the place without ever making real progress.

[heidismommy]

I will forgive you since you are pregnant and everyone knows pregnant women are crazy

I totally agree with you. After I lost weight quite a few women asked me what I had done, and told me about their misadventures, and one of the biggest things that stuck out was that they had deprived themselves of food they liked because of silly myths (Carbs at night, GAH!) and they weren't able to stick with their plan.

I figured that in the long run it was better to be a healthy weight and eat a few questionable things once in a while than to be bouncing all over the place without ever making real progress.

LOL, too funny! Actually it's sort of true :P.

It's just so much easier to stick with something long term if it's something that is doable. It's hard to follow super rigid diets with lots of rules. It's easier to follow the "healthy food as the bulk of my diet with some fun stuff to fill it in" approach. I used to have very all or nothing thinking, very black and white. Now I can see the gray areas and it's so much more enjoyable.

I actually do plan on possibly bodybuilding for real at some point in the future (maybe figure, but I'd prefer bodybuilding). After I have the baby I'm going to really focus on gaining some muscle rather than trying to stay so lean because I think that is what was getting in my way. I'll give it a good few years to really gain the mass I need. However since I'm not planning on staying contest lean, I'm definitely not going to follow some silly super rigid diet. I'll save that stuff for contest prep and even then I'm going to be reasonable about it and not fall victim to broscience. I'll get a good plan from a reputable trainer.

**the last paragraph not directed at anyone in particular, just rambling lol.

[Adelaide.]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but seems to me that the rules could end up being more detrimental to someone's health in the long run than a few cinnamon rolls or pancakes here and there.

I think you could definitely be competitive in female BBing. You've got crazy good definition, I don't think I've ever seen anyone with as many abs as you have.

[heidismommy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but seems to me that the rules could end up being more detrimental to someone's health in the long run than a few cinnamon rolls or pancakes here and there.

I think you could definitely be competitive in female BBing. You've got crazy good definition, I don't think I've ever seen anyone with as many abs as you have.

I think you're probably correct in that the rules could end up being more detrimental as really restrictive eating tends to backfire for a lot of folks.

I appreciate that, thank you! I'm in no hurry to compete, I'm going to give it several years to really build up a good base. Of course I'll probably have to wait until I stop breastfeeding before I'm able to make any progress since I have a hard time keeping weight on in that case. But it is something I'd like to be able to do, even if it takes me years to get there. I have so much respect and admiration for female bodybuilders, for all the hard work that goes into it. I have even more respect for those who stay sane about everything and who don't fall victim to all the dietary "rules".

[10fairywings]

You have enough posts now, go forth and link.

Kris Gethins is only one person, I hope you have more sources than that. Even the most respected people in the BB community spout of something wacky once in a while.

I'll check that but I don't think I have, you need 30 in total I think. But as soon as I am allowed to, I will. Kris is just one highly respected person yes, but there are shed loads more that adopt this type of nutrition. Which, of course you'll see when I post them.

Ah, you're a better person than I.

Mmm, those sound good. I'm getting ready to eat cinnamon rolls so I guess that makes me a "fake bodybuilder" despite the fact I've been lifting now for years :P. LOL, we just don't fall prey to broscience, I guess we should be thankful for that.

This is ridiculous, the whole thing has been taken out of context completely and I have NEVER called anyone a fake bodybuilder in my life. My issue is about people being honest in their posts, and letting people know whether THEY consider themselves a bodybuilder or not. And not belittling or being rude to people that may have a different opinion. Debate for sure but in a constructive way. When I started bodybuilding I didn't eat clean, and achieved a lot! But I choose to now, mainly as the results are quicker and I feel so much better doing it. This is my personal experience and it works better than anything I have ever done! For me nutrition is 80% of what I achieve and can be a much faster process for noobs to start on so they see results quickly. But as I have said before each to there own!

[10fairywings]

Just had a thought, can you tell me what your general diets are? I bet their not so different than mine! I eat pancakes too! I don't know what cinnamon rolls are but they sound good!

[KaraPhoto]

But the thing is that this is also scientifically proven fact! It is just different to what you think, it doesn't mean either of us are wrong!

Wow. I just can't stop laughing at this.

It is a FACT that the yolk of the egg contains almost half the protein. It can't be a scientific fact that it does and also a scientific fact that it doesn't. Your insistence that it is a fact that the yolk is mostly fat just shows your ignorance.

This is exactly the kind of thing that is getting you pretty beat up in this thread.

BTW - source: USDA Nutrient Database

Egg white - raw, fresh
16 cals
3.6g protein
0.06g fat

Egg yolk - raw, fresh
54 cals
2.7g protein
4.5g fat
plus a large amount of vitamin a, choline, lutein, carotene, retinol, folates, calcium, iron, potassium, and vitamin B.

Feel free to look it up yourself.

[socket]

Please eat the whole egg..........


I just had 4.....mmmmmmmmmmm good!

Send your yolks to me, don't waist.

[KaraPhoto]

Please eat the whole egg..........


I just had 4.....mmmmmmmmmmm good!

3 whole eggs (*gasp*) with shaved ham, sauteed spinach, and a bit of feta cheese. Sunday brunch, baby!!

[sonti]

I think something that you (OP) may be missing is that it is important to question an "authority" on a subject. Are they truly an authority? Aside from anecdotal evidence, does your source have extensive empirical knowledge on the subject?

After all, wasn't homosexuality in the DSM a couple decades ago?

I'm not one to constantly question authority - after all, I work in law enforcement, I'm the last one who would - but you need to critically evaluate your sources.

[10fairywings]

Its the internet. Who can tell who is more knowledgable than another? What defines a bodybuilder? If you have been on hiatus for a while, you may look like crap. Therefore, should I not take your adivce?

You can't tell people what they can and cannot post, and you also should not take offense when others question your own validity when you are doing the SAME THING (questioning experience).

The majority of the women on here DO lift heavy and like the asethic of bb'ing. Does that make each and every one of them an expert on bb'ing? It doesn't even make us all bb'ers, imo. There are many ways to skin a cat, and some people manage to get good results from some very freaky programs and nutrition.

Its up to the poster to earn respect by posting sound advice and people will notice that over time. And you must also learn more about the forum before making assumptions. The comments you posted about us (Fem Forum) in the British thread were pretty freaking nasty. You are clearly not listening to us either but are shrieking replies left and right (exclamation point exclamation point).

Take it easy, figure out what end is up before you start throwing criticisms out there. Go look at the regular nutrition boards if you want a big laugh.

I totally agree with everything you have said and this is the first decent response I had to my post, which I still believe has been taken wrongly, but I don't know how to keep trying to explain it in a different way. You are totally right and I do need to learn more about the forum but what assumption did I make? Everyone has made an assumption about what I said, and most are wrong. The coments I posted in the Brit thread this morning were about the initial posts I'd received and yes it was nasty and for that I apologise, I was actually quite upset with being told I was ridiculous, and bogus and arogant and egotystical so I let loose where I have friends, in hindsight not the best plan. So I am sorry for that. But here I didn't call anyone names, I haven't told anyone their ideas are crap, and I haven't said I am better in anyway than anyone else, or that their eating plans are ridiculous! Thanks for the post!

[10fairywings]

Wow. I just can't stop laughing at this.

It is a FACT that the yolk of the egg contains almost half the protein. It can't be a scientific fact that it does and also a scientific fact that it doesn't. Your insistence that it is a fact that the yolk is mostly fat just shows your ignorance.

This is exactly the kind of thing that is getting you pretty beat up in this thread.

BTW - source: USDA Nutrient Database

Egg white - raw, fresh
16 cals
3.6g protein
0.06g fat

Egg yolk - raw, fresh
54 cals
2.7g protein
4.5g fat
plus a large amount of vitamin a, choline, lutein, carotene, retinol, folates, calcium, iron, potassium, and vitamin B.

Feel free to look it up yourself.

Thanks but I don't need to look it up I know what is in an egg! Once again what I said has been taken out of context. I did not insist that a yolk contains mostly fat, I said the yolk has the most fat of the egg! Big difference!
Plus when I said science fact I was talking about te structure of all the eating plans, most of them are based on science fact even if they are of different composition.

[10fairywings]

I think something that you (OP) may be missing is that it is important to question an "authority" on a subject. Are they truly an authority? Aside from anecdotal evidence, does your source have extensive empirical knowledge on the subject?

After all, wasn't homosexuality in the DSM a couple decades ago?

I'm not one to constantly question authority - after all, I work in law enforcement, I'm the last one who would - but you need to critically evaluate your sources.

Absolutley, and I hope everyone does do that.

[discdoggie]

The board is going crazy these days
.

It is. Definitely.

[davidkap]

Your average Jane who has lifted heavy weights for years, in my opinion, is a bodybuilder!

I don't spend $$$ on supplements as I am a natural bodybuilder in every way. But diet a choice, if people don't want to follow certain eating plans, it's up to them! Personally, my outcomes have always been better eating clean, and eating regularly. But that's what my body likes. Everyone is different!

LMFAO...

you're red for a reason.

[10fairywings]

LMFAO...

you're red for a reason.

Too Too red! Lol!!

[illiniStrive]

brb, havin an unnatural protein shake

OP just stop. The fruit thing is bull**** and you already got proven wrong about the eggs. Quit before you look like a complete fool... oh wait

[heidismommy]

This is ridiculous, the whole thing has been taken out of context completely and I have NEVER called anyone a fake bodybuilder in my life. My issue is about people being honest in their posts, and letting people know whether THEY consider themselves a bodybuilder or not. And not belittling or being rude to people that may have a different opinion. Debate for sure but in a constructive way. When I started bodybuilding I didn't eat clean, and achieved a lot! But I choose to now, mainly as the results are quicker and I feel so much better doing it. This is my personal experience and it works better than anything I have ever done! For me nutrition is 80% of what I achieve and can be a much faster process for noobs to start on so they see results quickly. But as I have said before each to there own!

No, but you did say this:

"I have checked out a few posts and it has become clear that the site seems to have people on it giving advice that are not bodybuilders, to people who are specifically asking about bodybuilding. Although, its nice to get a wide ranging opinion, bodybuilding is completely different than just going on diet, or getting a bit toned. It is a disciplined life-style choice, that involves quality nutrients, supplements and gym programmes that have to be religiously followed, to achieve the bodybuilders defined muscle low fat body."

Not all bodybuilders follow the same dietary and exercise programs. Everyone is different and what may work for one person may not work for another. There are a lot of varying opinions out there when it comes to diet, even among the best respected bodybuilders. One may say one thing, another may say something completely different. Some say to avoid milk, fruit, and bread, some say that those things are okay right up until the weeks leading to getting on stage for example. It's great to do your own research and find out what works best for you and your body. But you have to keep in mind always that just because it has worked for you, doesn't mean it's "best" or only way. The process I've taken (moderation and balance) is what has worked best for me and trust me I've tried many other ways (used to be very rigid).

[10fairywings]

............(exclamation point exclamation point).

Meant to say this and forgot sorry, the use of my exclamation points isn't to shriek or yell, it dawned on me this could be part of the problem. Here in the UK when writing anything at all about anything at all casualy we use exclamation points, even together with question marks. I meant nothing by it at all, it's just habit, I'm finding it really difficult not to do it now lol. It's just the way we write.

[10fairywings]

No, but you did say this:

"I have checked out a few posts and it has become clear that the site seems to have people on it giving advice that are not bodybuilders, to people who are specifically asking about bodybuilding. Although, its nice to get a wide ranging opinion, bodybuilding is completely different than just going on diet, or getting a bit toned. It is a disciplined life-style choice, that involves quality nutrients, supplements and gym programmes that have to be religiously followed, to achieve the bodybuilders defined muscle low fat body."

Not all bodybuilders follow the same dietary and exercise programs. Everyone is different and what may work for one person may not work for another. There are a lot of varying opinions out there when it comes to diet, even among the best respected bodybuilders. One may say one thing, another may say something completely different. Some say to avoid milk, fruit, and bread, some say that those things are okay right up until the weeks leading to getting on stage for example. It's great to do your own research and find out what works best for you and your body. But you have to keep in mind always that just because it has worked for you, doesn't mean it's "best" or only way. The process I've taken (moderation and balance) is what has worked best for me and trust me I've tried many other ways (used to be very rigid).

You have just said what I have been saying all along.

[10fairywings]

brb, havin an unnatural protein shake

OP just stop. The fruit thing is bull**** and you already got proven wrong about the eggs. Quit before you look like a complete fool... oh wait

I haven't been proven wrong about eggs at all but if you want to eat lots of yolks go for it, I have one or two occasionally. The fruit thing is bull**** in your opinion, it isn't in mine. Is the bigger fool the one who is happy to respect others opinions or the one critisicing thinking they are totally right?