There are a lot of supps out there; Ask me which ones are effective!

[csjesse]

Germanic, what's your opinion on Opti-Men as a multi?

[Lilpurpl]

They can be good, do you have a more specific question?

i was planning on trying t-bol, with SciFit ES3.
my goal is to get leaner, incease strength, libido, alpha attitude, more self confidence.

what are your thoughts on these supplements vs my goals?

i currently take creatine, multi, fish/flax, and use muscle marinade as pre w.o.(will try A.S. gt next)

[Lager1]

Germanic, what's your opinion on Opti-Men as a multi?

I'd go with AST's multi instead, but that's just me.

i was planning on trying t-bol, with SciFit ES3.
my goal is to get leaner, incease strength, libido, alpha attitude, more self confidence.

what are your thoughts on these supplements vs my goals?

i currently take creatine, multi, fish/flax, and use muscle marinade as pre w.o.(will try A.S. gt next)

ES3 sucks, it won't lower estrogen for sh*t.

Get an aromatase inhibitor.

T-Bol is good though

[CRyan64]

brb readin this thread. After reading through some threads I've decided to try SizeOn and Bioforge.

[Lager1]

brb readin this thread. After reading through some threads I've decided to try SizeOn and Bioforge.

SizeOn is overpriced creatine, but whatever floats your boat.

[ABurger]

Germanic! I have come for your advice/critic on my supp stack that im putting together! I'll be commenting on how much dosage of each i'll be doing just on what you've said in this thread and just the directions

the bulk stack baby

-AST multivitamin pro(direction dosage)
-Optimum fish oil-(direction dosage, 6-a-day)
-Formadrol Extreme XL(i don't remember did you recommend a dosage for best results?
-Thermo-life T-Bol(12-a-day dosage for the 150mg forskolin for best results) or the cheaper way with the alternative of Bio-forge(6-a-day dosage) and a divanol product. What stand-alone divanol supp would you recommend with what dosage?
-Anadraulic State GT for pre-workout(direction dosage)
-for creatine http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/all/creatine.html
with 10g dosage

but yeah that's my bulking stack for muscle gain and minimal fat gain!
please comment on dosages and if i should remove or add other supps to help achieve my goals thanks brah!

[Lager1]

Germanic! I have come for your advice/critic on my supp stack that im putting together! I'll be commenting on how much dosage of each i'll be doing just on what you've said in this thread and just the directions

the bulk stack baby

-AST multivitamin pro(direction dosage)
-Optimum fish oil-(direction dosage, 6-a-day)
-Formadrol Extreme XL(i don't remember did you recommend a dosage for best results?
-Thermo-life T-Bol(12-a-day dosage for the 150mg forskolin for best results) or the cheaper way with the alternative of Bio-forge(6-a-day dosage) and a divanol product. What stand-alone divanol supp would you recommend with what dosage?
-Anadraulic State GT for pre-workout(direction dosage)
-for creatine http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/all/creatine.html
with 10g dosage

but yeah that's my bulking stack for muscle gain and minimal fat gain!
please comment on dosages and if i should remove or add other supps to help achieve my goals thanks brah!

Looks good to me, T-Bol has divanil in it FYI in addition to the Forskolin. For the Formadrol Extreme XL I'd go with 6 pills per day.

[MDizzle11]

Germanic:


Natadrol...i read that you should take an OTC PCT like another product in the line Formadrol XT...


should i run natadrol for a month then formadrol XT for the next month?

[RichieLitt]

Is ZMA worthwhile? And how is it different than the b-6, magnesium, and zinc that you get from a multi?

[Lager1]

Germanic:


Natadrol...i read that you should take an OTC PCT like another product in the line Formadrol XT...


should i run natadrol for a month then formadrol XT for the next month?

Yea that sounds good, maybe natadrol for two months to see best results?

Is ZMA worthwhile? And how is it different than the b-6, magnesium, and zinc that you get from a multi?

It simply allows you to take the zinc and magnesium in higher doses. Just buy zinc, magnesium, and vitamin b complex from wal-mart, it will save you money.

And yes, you should be taking zinc, magnesium, and vitamin-d along with b-vitamins

[RichieLitt]

Yea that sounds good, maybe natadrol for two months to see best results?


It simply allows you to take the zinc and magnesium in higher doses. Just buy zinc, magnesium, and vitamin b complex from wal-mart, it will save you money.

And yes, you should be taking zinc, magnesium, and vitamin-d along with b-vitamins

So take a multi and take ZMA too?

[Lager1]

So take a multi and take ZMA too?

don't take ZMA, like I just said, go to wal-mart and buy zinc tablets, magnesium tablets, and vitamin b complex tablets. Follow the dosing directions on the bottles of each. It's 500% more cost-effective than buying "ZMA"

[mitchellgmock]

Buddy bought 3 bottles of finaflex 550xd before they were discontinued on the advice of a friend. he got crazy results from the first bottle, second bottle he started getting really crazy back bumps and gave me it plus the last bottle for like 25 bucks.


Worth taking with a proper PCT?and if so would you recommend taking it now ? or should i store it in a dark drawer somewhere and come back to it after a 6-12 months of solid lifting without it (taken over a year off due to surgeries from injury in a tornado) and i'm just getting back into things

[MDizzle11]

Yea that sounds good, maybe natadrol for two months to see best results?

does it matter if i cut or bulk with natadrol? is it better to do one over the other or will it yield results either way (BF% loss/muscle gain)

[Lager1]

Buddy bought 3 bottles of finaflex 550xd before they were discontinued on the advice of a friend. he got crazy results from the first bottle, second bottle he started getting really crazy back bumps and gave me it plus the last bottle for like 25 bucks.


Worth taking with a proper PCT?and if so would you recommend taking it now ? or should i store it in a dark drawer somewhere and come back to it after a 6-12 months of solid lifting without it (taken over a year off due to surgeries from injury in a tornado) and i'm just getting back into things

I'd actually take a month or two to get back into things before taking it. Yes worth taking with a proper PCT.

does it matter if i cut or bulk with natadrol? is it better to do one over the other or will it yield results either way (BF% loss/muscle gain)

I think if you bulk, you'll gain more muscle/strength with it, and if you cut, you'll lose more fat/maintain more muscle (maybe even gain a little) and maintain (maybe gain) more strength than if you hadn't used it.

Either one is good, depends upon what you wanna do.

[MDizzle11]

I think if you bulk, you'll gain more muscle/strength with it, and if you cut, you'll lose more fat/maintain more muscle (maybe even gain a little) and maintain (maybe gain) more strength than if you hadn't used it.

Either one is good, depends upon what you wanna do.

thanks germanic, on spread

[mitchellgmock]

I'd actually take a month or two to get back into things before taking it. Yes worth taking with a proper PCT.



I think if you bulk, you'll gain more muscle/strength with it, and if you cut, you'll lose more fat/maintain more muscle (maybe even gain a little) and maintain (maybe gain) more strength than if you hadn't used it.

Either one is good, depends upon what you wanna do.

thanks for the quick response brah

[LiftingDutchMan]

What are ur opinions on the Zeus test booster? and would it be ok for a 19 year old?

[Tyler44]

Germanic as the misc's supplement guru?

Not sure if serious.jpg

[Troll_Patrol]

how do you feel about kre alkalyn?

[Anomynous]

If you want results the legal way, either Halodrol or Epistane are good beginner prohormones. Just make sure you have liver and blood pressure support supplements, and a SERM for PCT.


The only non-hormonal stack I would take if I felt like blowing a ton of money on supplements is: Testforce + Divanex + Formestane (or your favorite aromatase inhibitor). Formestane is actually a steroidal aromatase inhibitor but whatever.

[Lager1]

how do you feel about kre alkalyn?

Worthless, monohydrate is absorbed just fine.

If you want results the legal way, either Halodrol or Epistane are good beginner prohormones. Just make sure you have liver and blood pressure support supplements, and a SERM for PCT.


The only non-hormonal stack I would take if I felt like blowing a ton of money on supplements is: Testforce + Divanex + Formestane (or your favorite aromatase inhibitor). Formestane is actually a steroidal aromatase inhibitor but whatever.

No point in doing a "beginner" prohormone.

[LiftingDutchMan]

What are ur opinions on the Zeus test booster? and would it be ok for a 19 year old?

answer my question

[Troll_Patrol]

Worthless, monohydrate is absorbed just fine.


No point in doing a "beginner" prohormone.

but why is it worthless? i dont know much about creatine, so i just wanna know why monohydrate is better than kre alkalyn

[notoriousbeast]

opinion on bodyfortress products?

[7percent]

It's crap, go with Anadraulic State GT, way better formula and more cost-effective too.

Not sure if serious...

ITT: Advice from a strong fat guy.

p.s. you don't get stretch marks from muscle growing too fast, unless you use. Stretch marks are from fat levels getting out of control.

I have no idea why anyone is taking this thread seriously.

[Lilpurpl]

I'd go with AST's multi instead, but that's just me.


ES3 sucks, it won't lower estrogen for sh*t.

Get an aromatase inhibitor.

T-Bol is good though

which aromatase inhibitor product do you recommend?

[Lager1]

answer my question

It actually doesn't look that bad, try it out and tell me how you like it (srs).

but why is it worthless? i dont know much about creatine, so i just wanna know why monohydrate is better than kre alkalyn

It's just a marketing ploy to get people to buy it by convincing them that creatine mono isn't absorbed well...IT IS, and it's much cheaper and more cost-effective than "kre-alkalyn" or CEE or any other things like that.

opinion on bodyfortress products?

Kinda cheap, but OK.

which aromatase inhibitor product do you recommend?

I'd go with either Novedex XT or Formadrol Extreme XL. Check them out, see which one you like better.

[Crease1234]

I'm buying some Optimum whey. Thinking of adding some dextrose to the mix as well. How much dextrose should i add to the protein pre- and post- workout?

[agntorange]

It's gonna be hard to find a preworkout without caffeine...I'd suggest looking into Rhodiola Rosea for a caffeine-free pick-me-up that will help you lift more and get into the zone.

EDIT: Just looks at Ragnorok Ultra and it seems like a really good caffeine-free preworkout, that looks good to me bro.

Thanks man! You rock. You putting out some good info, much appreciated.

Repped with my measly greens.