Do you think drugs which are currently illegal (ex. marijuana, *******, heroin, etc.) should be legalized?
Why or why not?
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View Poll Results: Do you think drugs should be illegal?
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Yes, drugs should be illegal
17 8.99% -
No, drugs should be legal
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Some should be illegal, others legal (specify)
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Not sure
3 1.59%
Thread: Do you support Drug Prohibition?
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06-10-2010, 09:17 AM #1
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06-10-2010, 09:27 AM #8On the individual:
His responses grow intelligent, or gain meaning, simply because he lives and acts in a medium of accepted meanings and values. Through social intercourse, through sharing in the activities embodying beliefs, he gradually acquires a mind of his own. The conception of mind as a purely isolated possession of the self is at the very antipodes of the truth.
- John Dewey
All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusion is called a philosopher.
~Ambrose Bierce
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06-10-2010, 09:32 AM #9
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06-10-2010, 09:32 AM #10
An opinion based on an experience in the past with friends. At least dealing with *******. Marijuana isn't addictive, while *******, heroin, and similar drugs are addictive.
Oh and tobacco, processed tobacco should be illegal, or at least majority of the chemicals used in cigarettes should be not be allowed to be used in processing tobacco.أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمد رسول الله
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06-10-2010, 09:35 AM #11
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06-10-2010, 09:37 AM #12
Depends on what you mean by legalization. I think most of htem should be legalized, and the rest decriminalized for recreational use. Heroin is a disgusting drug, along with homemade meth, and those who produce it should still be liable for prosecution. I see nothing inconsistent with this - I don't think that producers should be able to put arsenic and lead into food, so why do I think they should be able to bring things like heroin into our country?
And yes alcohol can be more dangerous than many drugs, but there's no going back on that, and it's hardly all bad, only when you abuse it. You can't just take a little bit of heroin and get a little high.I want to touch the butt.
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06-10-2010, 09:38 AM #13
Prohibition was a perfect example of what legal vs. illegal looks like. When alcohol was illegal, criminal syndicates ran the show and made police efforts look plain stupid, then when it was legalized and regulated, the crime bosses lost an empire overnight; This saved money for law enforcement while completely draining a huge source of income for the big-time criminals who were making money importing liquor.
Right now we have huge cartels and gangs that are out of control, being funded predominantly by dirty money they receive for importing various illegal drugs. Thousands of cops have died fighting a losing battle against them, and likely millions of people have died from uneducated drug use or collateral damage in the unending drug wars. If we regulate drug distribution, the gangs lose massive income, the border becomes more secure, and best of all, people will become educated about what they are doing to their bodies, and will have a place to turn for help if things get out of control (it's no small secret that rehab clinics have a bad vibe for addicts since "the man" knowing about their problems is a huge turn off) Overdoses will become much less common with regulated purity, drug taxes will pay for drug rehab, and billions of dollars will be saved when the drug war simply vanishes due to zero demand for illicit drugs.
But that would mean that an entire law enforcement branch of the government would no longer have any use, so Uncle Sam will never allow it.siggy
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06-10-2010, 09:41 AM #14
I think it's a stretch to group those drugs together, but at least you clarified that in your poll.
The War on Drugs (and Prohibition) is a complete disaster, especially as it relates to Marijuana. Almost no one other than Drug/Tobacco/Alcohol lobbies believe the Marijuana should be criminalized the way it is. People have been behind bars for years, charged with possessing something that won't addict them, cause brain damage, or cause them to act violently. It's pretty ridiculous, and getting to the point where the Office of National Drug Control Policy/Partnership for a Drug Free America and other similarly useless organizations are simply lying so as not to inform the public of the truth about the dangers (or lack thereof) of marijuana. (memo from ONDCP: "marijuana is addictive and dangerous") lol lol
Our policy toward hard drugs is similarly a failure. Simply possessing a certain amount of crack (without intention to distribute) can land you 5 years in federal prison. This is disguised racism at best; there is a huge sentencing disparity between possession of crack and possession of *******. Users of hard drugs are often charged with felonies, and can't find meaningful work after becoming clean due to their criminal record (even if they have not committed crimes against others).
Our schedule system of drugs is also a joke. Drugs which are not addictive and do not cause violent behavior (ex, marijuana, LSD) are listed as Schedule I, while things like Meth and PCP are Schedule II, simply because they have a medical purpose. This is ridiculous, and pretty illogical on top of that. Even more offsetting is the fact that some of our Schedule I drugs are pretty innocuous, and may even be sold over-the-counter elsewhere. Others, such as Ibogaine, actually help people break addictions (Philip Morris wouldn't be too happy about that).
Not to mention, the War on Drugs isn't working. All it's doing is hurting our economy (virtually all economists are against it), landing non-violent offenders in prison, and hurting America's image and deepening racial divides. All that for the profit of Pfizer and friends. The war on drugs has never worked, and probably never will. This policy is a joke and a disaster, and no, I don't support it.
/rant
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06-10-2010, 09:46 AM #15
Marijuana doesn't have any deadly chemicals involved with its existence unless some idiot sprays or laces marijuana with something, like *******, angel dust, or even embalming fluid. Cigarettes on the other hand, when looking at the recipe and how they "cut" into tobacco, you'd assume that these tobacco companies are literally trying to kill us.
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06-10-2010, 09:47 AM #16
If people voted for it, it would happen. This self-defeatist attitude is effeminate, get rid of it.
The problem is that people consistently vote AGAINST drug legalization. Even in California, the legalize marijuana proposition may not pass. It won't be government's fault. It'll be the people's fault for voting against it.
Again, this self-defeatist attitude is effeminate, get rid of it.When all that says 'it is good' has been debunked, what says 'I want' remains.
- CS Lewis
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06-10-2010, 09:49 AM #17
Isn't this directly contradictory to your claim that the government is trying to control our private lives too much?
The "War on Cigarettes" would have similar societal implications as the "War on Drugs", except on a much grander scale. Prison populations would quadruple, is that what you want?
Should alcohol be illegal too?When all that says 'it is good' has been debunked, what says 'I want' remains.
- CS Lewis
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06-10-2010, 09:52 AM #18
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06-10-2010, 09:54 AM #20
Alright so don't ban cigarettes, ban the chemicals used in them. Majority of those chemicals are used for pesticides and preservation of their product, tobacco... I'm sure they can find alternatives, even if the cost of tobacco has to go up in price.
And majority of drug offenders in the prison system, were related to marijuana...أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمد رسول الله
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06-10-2010, 09:55 AM #21
Well angel dust and "embalming fluid" are the same thing technically. And this whole "lacing" argument is pretty dodgy, and mostly the product of Drug War propaganda. Most dealers will not lace marijuana with such an expensive drug as *******; it doesn't make financial sense to them, and is probably one of the most inefficient routes to introducing marijuana users to addiction to harder drugs. Not to mention that a marijuana user probably won't return to his/her old dealer if smoking a batch suddenly causes PCP dissociation (probably would scare them terribly).
But yes, I completely agree about how the tobacco companies cut their products. Some cigarettes literally include formaldehyde. Cigarettes are cut with a far greater number of cancer-causing chemicals than marijuana smoke for smoke.
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