Pull-ups, weighted vs regular

[Tyrbolift]

EP can do pullups hanging on to small 4 wheeler. I've seen the pic!

[mantelly710]

this is an interesting discussion.. thank you for sharing

[Tyrbolift]

this is an interesting discussion.. thank you for sharing

lol
At least you're a harmless friendly sort of troll. (that's now following me around due to me calling your ass out)

[boathead]

My hand position has always been at the mid point of that downward part and quite wide

Whether true or not I've always assumed that that promoted a wider set of lats

Any one have views on this?

i have no views on this...but in the dorian yates back seminar video recently posted, he did. he dismisses wide grip as inefficient, reducing the ROM and putting the biceps at a mechanical disadvantage. close grip is his recommendation. it increases ROM. schwarzenneger also claims close grip the best, at least for lower lats.

for those that missed the seminar series, yates dismissed the following exercises as ineffective:
wide grip pullups
behind the neck lat pulldowns
close grip bench
upright rows
lunges

i must say, yates articulates a reason for each.

[theKurp]

Re: the video of the pull-up posted in this thread

Personally, I don't care how much weight a person pulls/pushes if the results aren't there from a musculature standpoint.

First, the guy in the video isn't doing a full rom given he's stretching his neck upward to satisfy the chin-meets-bar criteria. Two, for all that weight I don't see much lat development - albeit through his t-shirt.

Muscle development and good form impresses me far more than sheer weight being moved. Which of course would explain why I'm far more interested in bodybuilding than I am powerlifting.

[CaptChip40]

Re: the video of the pull-up posted in this thread

Personally, I don't care how much weight a person pulls/pushes if the results aren't there from a musculature standpoint.

First, the guy in the video isn't doing a full rom given he's stretching his neck upward to satisfy the chin-meets-bar criteria. Two, for all that weight I don't see much lat development - albeit through his t-shirt.

Muscle development and good form impresses me far more than sheer weight being moved. Which of course would explain why I'm far more interested in bodybuilding than I am powerlifting.

I'm impressed by the video. Imagine what he can do without the weights!

[ExtremistPullup]

Re: the video of the pull-up posted in this thread

Personally, I don't care how much weight a person pulls/pushes if the results aren't there from a musculature standpoint.

First, the guy in the video isn't doing a full rom given he's stretching his neck upward to satisfy the chin-meets-bar criteria. Two, for all that weight I don't see much lat development - albeit through his t-shirt.

Muscle development and good form impresses me far more than sheer weight being moved. Which of course would explain why I'm far more interested in bodybuilding than I am powerlifting.

A person putting in hard work and meeting goals impresses me.
either bodybuilding or power lifting.
I put my videos out there to motivate.

And for ROM its different for everyone, When I was in the Marines chin over the bar is a good pull-up. Some say your chest has to touch the bar. Some say your chin must be level with the ground and on top of the bar. Its all Opinions I guess.

If I dropped the weight down to 165 lbs; yes my form would look more true, but this is how I train. I didn't magically wake up and add 186 lbs to my self. My goal is to do 186 lbs with the form of 165 lbs and do 200 lbs with the form of 186 lbs and so on.

For the lat development, bodybuilding and strength training aren't the same and the results are different.

Also you are attempting to judge my lat development by looking at my chest with a t-shirt on while watching a GIF.

[boathead]

don't mind the haters, extremist. i like the video, and it is indeed motivating.

[C5VetteLS1]

don't mind the haters, extremist. i like the video, and it is indeed motivating.

X2 being that I can't even do one pull at half that weight!

[Adimi24]

do you think a cheap dipbelt would work ok? i don't see how one could be much better than another, besides materials used. im thnking about getting the second one on this list, http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/dipbelt.htm, $13

[ExtremistPullup]

do you think a cheap dipbelt would work ok? i don't see how one could be much better than another, besides materials used. im thnking about getting the second one on this list, http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/dipbelt.htm, $13

not sure, depends on how much weight you are doing.

I would be worried about the stiching.

I got the $28.99 http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pgrip/dip.html
the leather and rings are very strong.

[C5VetteLS1]

not sure, depends on how much weight you are doing.

I would be worried about the stiching.

I got the $28.99 http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/pgrip/dip.html
the leather and rings are very strong.

I've been using that same belt for the past 2 years. Still looks like new and it's used twice a week. Great dip belt!

[Karl_Hungus]

I put my videos out there to motivate.

They certainly do -- that is some awesome pullup strength you've got there. 193% of bodyweight?

Have you ever tried one-arm pullups? I've always wanted to be able to do these, but honestly don't see it happening...lol.

[ExtremistPullup]

They certainly do -- that is some awesome pullup strength you've got there. 193% of bodyweight?

Have you ever tried one-arm pullups? I've always wanted to be able to do these, but honestly don't see it happening...lol.

Thanks

I've done two with my right and one with my left I and all over the place by my rom is good.
It was a long time ago and I weighted around 190 lbs I have a video of it on my youtube.

[ExtremistPullup]

do you think a cheap dipbelt would work ok? i don't see how one could be much better than another, besides materials used. im thnking about getting the second one on this list, http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/dipbelt.htm, $13

this member has one

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=238

[ExtremistPullup]

I've been using that same belt for the past 2 years. Still looks like new and it's used twice a week. Great dip belt!

I upgraded the chain and clip to hold the weight, and a clip on both ends of the chain.



the clips are a little to large so I had to squeeze the links in a vice you make them fit.

[yakabebe]

First, the guy in the video isn't doing a full rom given he's stretching his neck upward to satisfy the chin-meets-bar criteria.

Really that is a pedantic point given what we are seeing.

At the end of the day the ROM and where you';re chin is etc etc etc is absolutely secondary to keeping your mind in your back and getting the contraction THERE that maximises the reason your doing the thing.

Frankly, starting from a dead hang I get a real back focus with a body position which has my chest tilted up towards the bar. I then ensure I contract the back to get my height. Wherever that takes me is where it stops.

Cant even tell you where my chin ends up.

[theKurp]

Really that is a pedantic point given what we are seeing.

I prefer to think of it from a purist standpoint. I'm simply stating my opinion about what impresses me.

If form suffers for the expresses intent of pulling/pushing more weight, then the feat is diminished in my eyes.

"Dead hang" in a pull-up/chin-up means more than starting at the bottom with elbows fully extended. It means the entire body below the shoulders remains "dead" throughout the range of motion. In addtion to not bringing the chin (with level eyes) to the bar, the other most common "cheat" when performing the pull-up is swinging the legs to assist in momentum.

Look at it this way. When someone on here boasts of squatting such-and-such weight, how do you really measure the extent of the feat without knowing whether the squat was peformed to parallel or ATG? And trust me, there's even disparity between one person's ATG and another's. We all know that ATG requires greater strength at the bottom so a guy/girl posting max numbers at parallel won't be posting that same weight at ATG.

Personally, I don't care how a person performs their routines. To each his own. But when you post numbers/videos to boast of your accomplishment then I'm going to try and establish a common ground with which to evaluate the feat in relative terms - and that common ground is proper form.

[Fitness_By_Alex]

I've been doing pull-ups using various grips. Do 3-4 sets and get somewhere in the area of 12-10-8-5. My gym does not have anything readily available where I could do weighted pull-ups, and I'm not sure what weight I should even start with.
I was thinking a weight belt with a 25 lb weight attached by a cord or chain.

Do weighted pull-up have an advantage of "regular" pull-ups? Should I replace the regular pull-ups with weighted? I knno there would be a significant reduction in the reps I do and wonder which is better more regular pull ups or less with weight?

I've never done weighted and no one at my gym does them either.

Try this first :

3-4 positive up, 1-2 seconds hold, 3-4 seconds negative. I assure you this will make your pull up's a lot harder. Training like this will prevent momentum and guarantee that you are stimulating 100% of the muscle necessary to perform the movement. Train like this for a few weeks (1 set to absolute failure) and then do a regular set of pull ups. I'll be that you'll add at least 4-5 reps.

OR:

you can pre-exhaust your back with any other back movement prior to doing your pull-ups. That should also do the trick at making the pull-ups harder and thus provide more stimulus to grow and improve your strength

-Alex

[texastea]

I'd be happy to be able to do 10 pull-ups WITHOUT any added weight!

That's actually a good goal for most. Pull ups are kind of a forgotten exercise.

[C5VetteLS1]

I prefer to think of it from a purist standpoint. I'm simply stating my opinion about what impresses me.

If form suffers for the expresses intent of pulling/pushing more weight, then the feat is diminished in my eyes.

"Dead hang" in a pull-up/chin-up means more than starting at the bottom with elbows fully extended. It means the entire body below the shoulders remains "dead" throughout the range of motion. In addtion to not bringing the chin (with level eyes) to the bar, the other most common "cheat" when performing the pull-up is swinging the legs to assist in momentum.

Look at it this way. When someone on here boasts of squatting such-and-such weight, how do you really measure the extent of the feat without knowing whether the squat was peformed to parallel or ATG? And trust me, there's even disparity between one person's ATG and another's. We all know that ATG requires greater strength at the bottom so a guy/girl posting max numbers at parallel won't be posting that same weight at ATG.

Personally, I don't care how a person performs their routines. To each his own. But when you post numbers/videos to boast of your accomplishment then I'm going to try and establish a common ground with which to evaluate the feat in relative terms - and that common ground is proper form.

Alright "Purist", this is getting old. I posted that GIF simply because I was impressed with the weights he's pulling. I too respect good form but I'm not a perfect form, nit-picken "Purist". I posted that GIF in this thread just to show weighted pulls. I thought it would be more interesting to show with a load of plates rather than "perfect purist form" with a single 25lb plate. My Bad ... I guess. Just let it go, no need to keep bashing about form to impress anybody. If you want to impress the masses, post some of your "purist" video's to be picked apart.

[boathead]

the thing is, i'm not so sure my bodyweight pullup could withstand too much scrutiny.

it's all good, fellas, or at least it should be. love to see my brothers in iron move some weight!

[mommalu]

Here's mine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sIYwqRl1w4

[Bando]

Here's mine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sIYwqRl1w4

On occasion a response delivers. This post delivers. Repped.

[yakabebe]

Here's mine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sIYwqRl1w4

Repped! You would be one of the very very very (have I said very...) ladies who would be capable of that much less 5 or 6 reps!

{Hat tip}

[(no radnes)]

Here's mine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sIYwqRl1w4

[Bando]

Repped! You would be one of the very very very (have I said very...) ladies who would be capable of that much less 5 or 6 reps!

{Hat tip}

A young woman occasionally visits our gym, Olympic Kayaker from Canada, very serious, I've seen her do pullups with a 35 between her feet and T-Bar 135. Amazing shoulders, a rare young lady indeed.

Mommalu at 44 you're in a class with an Olympian.

[mommalu]

A young woman occasionally visits our gym, Olympic Kayaker from Canada, very serious, I've seen her do pullups with a 35 between her feet and T-Bar 135. Amazing shoulders, a rare young lady indeed.

Mommalu at 44 you're in a class with an Olympian.

Thanks guys
I actually LOVE working out in the gym with the guys...they push me beyond my limits.
BTW~ 45 today

I was going for 10 here..."Wide grip"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aUH0gFrIFw

[CaptChip40]

Thanks guys
I actually LOVE working out in the gym with the guys...they push me beyond my limits.
BTW~ 45 today

I was going for 10 here..."Wide grip"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aUH0gFrIFw

Nice set, slow and controlled. Looks like you have the gym all to yourself.

[theKurp]

Here's mine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sIYwqRl1w4

Nicely done. Kind of reminds me of my days as a windsurfing instructor. Almost without exception, women were far more interested in doing it right and thus, learned the basics of windsurfing in far less time than the men who took lessons from me.

You've obviously learned correct form on the pull-up and it shows in your execution.