First thing in the morning..bulking

[atmilner]

For Ex:

Some MASS GAIN diets in M&F include 2 breakfasts, a whey shake plus some fruit or other fast carb. The whey is for stopping catabolism and the fast carbs are for refilling glycogen used up during the night/because the whole insulin response stuff allows fast carbs w/out fat gain. My question is why is a banana or apple or other fruit first choice here? I know that fructose goes to the liver, and maybe thats why, but apples and bananas for instance digest more slowly than other things. So what is actually optimal at this "first breakfast" as far as carbs go? fruit since it goes to refill liver glyco or something else that is fast?

[sunngodd]

Some MASS GAIN diets in M&F

I stopped reading here



Seriously though, there's nothing special you have to eat for breakfast, eat things you like (within reason, of course). The big picture of your diet is what matters.

[atmilner]

I stopped reading here

Why? Its a good thing to go by, imo, they usually have very good info..with explanations that make sense

Seriously though, there's nothing special you have to eat for breakfast, eat things you like (within reason, of course). The big picture of your diet is what matters.

I know enough to know this, breakfast would come after that first one, and the big picture is just fine

Basically for optimum results when in a bulk phase is what I am asking

[sunngodd]

Why? Its a good thing to go by, imo, they usually have very good info..with explanations that make sense

It's not a good thing to go by. Those magazines are interested in selling products, not providing accuracte information.

I know enough to know this, breakfast would come after that first one, and the big picture is just fine

Basically for optimum results when in a bulk phase is what I am asking

What's optimal for bulking is to eat a few hundred more calories than you burn while getting enough protien. What time of day you get these cals is irrelevant, unless we're talking about pre or post workout.

[dimasso69]

OP people bulk without eating breakfast...so you CAN do it this way..if you like..personally id just find it to be a headache, im not gonna tell you what to do, but this method just isn't necessary

[atmilner]

It's not a good thing to go by. Those magazines are interested in selling products, not providing accuracte information.





What's optimal for bulking is to eat a few hundred more calories than you burn while getting enough protien. What time of day you get these cals is irrelevant, unless we're talking about pre or post workout.

I flip past the ads straight to the nutrition and training articles, sure they may be trying to sell more protein etc. but whatever, i think most of their info makes alot of sense

i know this

thanks, dimasso

[atmilner]

so does anyone in here do this? anyone seen results from including the shake first thing?

[watermelon_2001]

Personally I think it's delving into broscience to some degree- "Gotta stop catabolism, WHERE'S MY WHEY!!??" etc. I don't think it would be a necessity, just try and get your breakfast fairly soon after waking up. If you're already hitting your protein needs during the day, then there probably isn't any need; increase your calories from fats or carbs instead. Chuck in some fruit with your breakfast to top up glycogen stores, should do the trick

[the59sound]

so does anyone in here do this? anyone seen results from including the shake first thing?

the problem with muscle and fitness is that they create mindsets like the one you have. No one is going to be able to tell you if they've seen progress on a shake first thing in the morning because there are millions of other variables that are much more important and likely to affect gaining muscle mass then whether or not a person has had a shake in the morning. It doesnt matter at all, on a bulk make sure you have adequate protein and eat more then your maintenance....thats it.

[RuckstaR]

so does anyone in here do this? anyone seen results from including the shake first thing?

I'm sure there are guys here who do it it and like it fine, but I doubt you are going to be able to attribute any extra results on a bulk based solely upon adding a fast acting whey before breakfast.

You don't stress about sleeping in an extra hour do you? If not, why worry about getting protein in your system 30 or some odd minutes sooner? Its broscience to think that your body starts cannibalizing itself the minute you wake up...

There are some bro's in the BB world who really take nutrition timing to the extreme, and to me, this pre-breakfast shake is an example that falls right in with:

"O NOEZ glycogen depletion!!!!, better eat 40000000g's of simple carbs PWO with whey and water to get swole" when in fact, noone depletes that amount of glycogen in 1-2 hours, and oatmeal would be just as good.

IMO, focus on your breaking the right quantity, and the right quality of foods into reasonable timelines and you will get great results on your bulk. Don't sweat the minute details.

[hooked4life]

OP just eat enough to gain ~1 pound a week, get in ~140 grams of protein a day too.

Lift heavy, lift hard and do compound lifts and sleep as much as you can.

There. See how easy that was? It's like 95% of what you need to know, it's not going to sell mad supps and have different articles every week however.

See what I did there?

[JCTPM]

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agree. just make sure you get the right amount of protein for your target goal weight and eat right. Compound lift with heavy weights and results will show.

[omologato24]

so does anyone in here do this? anyone seen results from including the shake first thing?

You need to focus on the 95% and not the 5%. 95%: Get enough calories everyday so that you can consistently put on weight and use a proven weight lifting plan (NOT one from M&F, I wasted several years with that BS). Drinking a shake first thing in the morning may help you or it may not, either way it is part of the 5% and therefore is going to have little impact on your progress compared to the 95%.

Steps for success:

1) Eat a lot
2) Train
3) Eat a lot
4) Repeat

Good luck!

[atmilner]

thanks for the replies, good info

but i think alot of ppl here are missing the point..not needing advice on how to bulk, what to eat, or how to lift, because i am experienced..really just asking if anyone does this and if it helps. ive never tried it before and actually had a friend say he could tell it helped. a friend who has been in school for nutrition and exercise science, also experienced lifter, so its not just some meathead "bro". but i suppose this could classify as broscience, like everything else

though i do think someone could tell if it has helped them gain, if they added it into their diet and kept everything else the same...

and believe me i know about the ads and trying sell stuff-theyre ridiculous, but i do like the training routines and diets they have..tried some before and they do seem to work. i know most of your are going to say yea youre 140 pounds how much do you know, but i just started really with macros and dieting and also just finished cutting (didnt have to i know, its summer though)

[sunngodd]

thanks for the replies, good info

but i think alot of ppl here are missing the point..not needing advice on how to bulk, what to eat, or how to lift, because i am experienced..really just asking if anyone does this and if it helps. ive never tried it before and actually had a friend say he could tell it helped. a friend who has been in school for nutrition and exercise science, also experienced lifter, so its not just some meathead "bro". but i suppose this could classify as broscience, like everything else

though i do think someone could tell if it has helped them gain, if they added it into their diet and kept everything else the same...

and believe me i know about the ads and trying sell stuff-theyre ridiculous, but i do like the training routines and diets they have..tried some before and they do seem to work. i know most of your are going to say yea youre 140 pounds how much do you know, but i just started really with macros and dieting and also just finished cutting (didnt have to i know, its summer though)

[atmilner]

??? I read and took in wat was written so that doesnt really apply..just sayin i was asking a question not really for advice on my whole regimen