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    Originally Posted by russell7165 View Post
    So you are saying that all guys who do college wrestling are actually Mixed Martial Artists?

    All Boxers too? Muhammad Ali is a Mixed Martial Artist?
    I wouldn't call them Mix Martial Artist's. There style is an element of MMA though. All I'm saying is Brock has been training a dominant style in MMA for 20+ years. He wasn't a MMAist until a few years ago though.
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    Originally Posted by Exilict View Post
    I just want to add one other thing... Because really we need to compare apples to apples...

    Cro-Cop - Currently 25-6 Was 20-2 when he fought Fedor one of those losses being Randleman who he also defeted in their next fight. Fedor at the time was 23-1. You can't argue that they are not "Close" to the same level. You can say Fedor is better, and I'll agree. But they were "Close"...

    Now, we all know Fedor won, but he couldn't finish Filipovic, it had to go to the judges.

    Cro-Cop then does what Fedor wont, comes to the ufc. Gets handed 2 losses by Gabriel Gonzaga and Kongo, and wins a controversial fight (Obviously an eye gouge) vs Al Turk. No one thinks of Cro-Cop as an actual contender at 34..

    Wandy went 1-3 after returning to the UFC, after getting KOd by Hendo.. Also, Lost to Tito @ ufc.. And remember, Cro-Cop beat Wandy...

    Fact is.... Guys who dominate in pride, dont come to the UFC and dominate... No one has yet....
    What about a guy who got dominated in Pride, but dominates the UFC now?

    What about Chuck who got ****ed up when he fought in Pride representing the UFC, Dana even put $$ on it, he brought like 10 people with him to keep Chuck in top condition.

    MMATH doesn't work..
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    Originally Posted by Lord_Lemon View Post
    I wouldn't call them Mix Martial Artist's. There style is an element of MMA though. All I'm saying is Brock has been training a dominant style in MMA for 20+ years. He wasn't a MMAist until a few years ago though.
    lol now we can agree.
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    Originally Posted by Exilict View Post
    I just want to add one other thing... Because really we need to compare apples to apples...

    Cro-Cop - Currently 25-6 Was 20-2 when he fought Fedor one of those losses being Randleman who he also defeted in their next fight. Fedor at the time was 23-1. You can't argue that they are not "Close" to the same level. You can say Fedor is better, and I'll agree. But they were "Close"...

    Now, we all know Fedor won, but he couldn't finish Filipovic, it had to go to the judges.

    Cro-Cop then does what Fedor wont, comes to the ufc. Gets handed 2 losses by Gabriel Gonzaga and Kongo, and wins a controversial fight (Obviously an eye gouge) vs Al Turk. No one thinks of Cro-Cop as an actual contender at 34..

    Wandy went 1-3 after returning to the UFC, after getting KOd by Hendo.. Also, Lost to Tito @ ufc.. And remember, Cro-Cop beat Wandy...

    Fact is.... Guys who dominate in pride, dont come to the UFC and dominate... No one has yet....
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    Originally Posted by russell7165 View Post
    What about a guy who got dominated in Pride, but dominates the UFC now?

    What about Chuck who got ****ed up when he fought in Pride representing the UFC, Dana even put $$ on it, he brought like 10 people with him to keep Chuck in top condition.

    MMATH doesn't work..
    2 wins and 1 loss is not dominated.

    He beat Overeem, and Lost to Jackson, who ended up in the UFC anyway... Not a very good point there...
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    Oh look, russel quoted one of my posts again...
    And with his requests of love and dating... at least you're being honest and open about it now.. BUT............................................... .


    I told you no already... I'm straight bruh... It was flattering at first, but now it's just down right creepy..
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    Originally Posted by Exilict View Post
    2 wins and 1 loss is not dominated.

    He beat Overeem, and Lost to Jackson, who ended up in the UFC anyway... Not a very good point there...
    I didn't say Chuck got dominated.
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    Originally Posted by Lifting_Taurus View Post
    Oh look, russel quoted one of my posts again...
    And with his requests of love and dating... at least you're being honest and open about it now.. BUT............................................... .


    I told you no already... I'm straight bruh... It was flattering at first, but now it's just down right creepy..
    U mad small man? Why are you trying to repeat what I said to you the other day, as it is was a witty line? Think of your own things to say lol.
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    Originally Posted by Exilict View Post
    Lord_Lemon - Don't believe everything you hear on WIKI. It was a "No Holds Barred" competition. "MMA" wasn't even a term yet. I was 13, laying on my uncles living room floor, watching it on his illegal cable box.
    I dunno, I just think of a MMA tournament as style(s) vs style(s). I consider early UFC to be a MMA tournament even if it wasn't marketed as such.

    Just my opinion.
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    I think the other big thing "Missing" here... Is you forget what this is all about..

    Sports, in general, are about fans. Need proof? A team will be dominate if they have a dominate fan base. Need proof? Any given Sunday this season turn on a Pittsburgh Steeler game and look at the crowd. I dont care where they are, you will see thousands and thousands of steeler fans.. Even at away games. Why do the steelers have the best facilities, the best doctors, and one of the best stadiums. Simple, the fans make it happen. With that they have captured more superbowls and divisional wins then any other team in history.

    Take that logic and apply it to UFC. Are you seeing the fights that you want? I didn't hear someone going "I dont want to see the brock mir fight, Fighter x should have a title shot"

    Sure, we all want to see Silva and GSP fight.. But, Silva is at 205, GSP 170. Thats going to be tough. The UFC gives the fans the fights they want to see!

    Can anyone say they are really excited to see Fedor fight Overeem? He is 29-11 with losses to Rua x2, Nog x2, and Chuck..

    At this point in Fedor's career he made it clear he is going to fight chumps. Peroid. I don't care what he has done in the past.. Its EASY to walk into a ring with someone when you aren't considered the worlds best. But now, if he loses.. He loses that title!

    Honestly, I hope Overeem beats him, So we can say "Wow, Fedor lost to a guy who couldn't beat Nog, who couldn't beat Rua, and Couldn't beat Chuck"

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    Originally Posted by russell7165 View Post
    U mad small man? Why are you trying to repeat what I said to you the other day, as it is was a witty line? Think of your own things to say lol.

    Also, why in hell do you have 'muscle' in your username? lolz..
    says the gay guy with no pics... STOP FOLLOWING ME.. I realize it's hard, I'm a good looking guy, great personality, sense of humor, intelligent... but I'm straight, happily married with 3 kids and a great career in the Army (no dog yet ).. I know it's going to be hard, but there are plenty of gay guys on BB.com that you can choose from.. maybe one of them will love you...
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    Originally Posted by Exilict View Post
    Honestly, I hope Overeem beats him, So we can say "Wow, Fedor lost to a guy who couldn't beat Nog, who couldn't beat Rua, and Couldn't beat Chuck"

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    I didn't say Chuck got dominated.
    Ok, so he lost 1 fight there, whats the point?

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    Originally Posted by russell7165 View Post
    He could probably beat those guys now he has learnt how to juice up to HW..
    He fought them in their weight class.... I would hope someone who is 260 can hold someone who is 205 down and beat on them..

    When you have a huge weight advantage you need less skill.... I don't understand why this is so hard. Need proof? Go find a little kid, maybe.. 5 years old. Have him mount you and you try to get out of it... Now go park a pickup truck on your back. See the difference?

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    says the gay guy with no pics... STOP FOLLOWING ME.. I realize it's hard, I'm a good looking guy, great personality, sense of humor, intelligent... but I'm straight, happily married with 3 kids and a great career in the Army (no dog yet ).. I know it's going to be hard, but there are plenty of gay guys on BB.com that you can choose from.. maybe one of them will love you...
    lol, it's seems to be your life work to go around and make gay innuendo everywhere.

    I'll say it again, I joined this forum before you, I posted in the MMA section before you.

    If you want to post here and pretend to have knowledge(you also pretend to train), you'll have to put up with the fact that other people also post in this section. You may not like what they say and you may not like them, but you'll have to pretend to be a big boy and act like a man. As I said I posted here long before you did and I continue to post here, you coming in a long time later and trying to accuse me of following you is just sad and pathetic.

    This isn't the Army, you can't demand shiit in here son.

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    Originally Posted by Exilict View Post
    He fought them in their weight class.... I would hope someone who is 260 can hold someone who is 205 down and beat on them..

    When you have a huge weight advantage you need less skill.... I don't understand why this is so hard. Need proof? Go find a little kid, maybe.. 5 years old. Have him mount you and you try to get out of it... Now go park a pickup truck on your back. See the difference?

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    Seems like you're trying to blame me for your confusion. He fought in their weight class yes, you haven't stumbled onto something profound. I said he could probably now beat them due to his juicing, which was my subtle jibe at Overeem, which seemed to confuse you.

    You still don't seem to realise that I wasn't only talking about Chuck before.
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    Originally Posted by russell7165 View Post
    lol, it's seems to be your life work to go around and make gay innuendo everywhere.

    I'll say it again, I joined this forum before you, I posted in the MMA section before you.

    If you want to post here and pretend to have knowledge(you also pretend to train), you'll have to put up with the fact that other people also post in this section. You may not like what they say and you may not like them, but you'll have to pretend to be a big boy and act like a man. As I said I posted here long before you did and I continue to post here, you coming in a long time later and trying to accuse me of following you is just sad and pathetic.

    This isn't the Army, you can't demand shiit in here son.

    Good luck.
    Again, says the guy with no pics... I don't have a problem with disagreeing view points.. I have a problem with you following me and hitting on me constantly..

    Good day Sir...
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    Originally Posted by Lifting_Taurus View Post
    Again, says the guy with no pics... I don't have a problem with disagreeing view points.. I have a problem with you following me and hitting on me constantly..

    Good day Sir...
    lolzer, feel free to link to any post I have made where I have hit on you. Your fantasies and reality aren't the same.

    It's hard to be followed when you came in after the person, don't you think?

    You are the one wanting to see my pics..
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    Originally Posted by russell7165 View Post
    lolzer, feel free to link to any post I have made where I have hit on you. Your fantasies and reality aren't the same.

    It's hard to be followed when you came in after the person, don't you think?

    You are the one wanting to see my pics..
    didn't say I wanted to see your pic.. that's a failure of your own comprehension skills, again.. I said, you implied that you should comment on mine, without some of your own.. and I'd say you're little man love pic while quoting me is pretty homo... Why do you have that pic anyway??

    Anywho.. If we were driving, and I pulled up to a red light after you, pulled off before you and you started following me.. Then you got there first, and started following me.. Really it's quite simple and I'm sad I had to explain it to you..
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    Originally Posted by Lifting_Taurus View Post
    didn't say I wanted to see your pic.. that's a failure of your own comprehension skills, again.. I said, you implied that you should comment on mine, without some of your own.. and I'd say you're little man love pic while quoting me is pretty homo... Why do you have that pic anyway??

    Anywho.. If we were driving, and I pulled up to a red light after you, pulled off before you and you started following me.. Then you got there first, and started following me.. Really it's quite simple and I'm sad I had to explain it to you..
    You commented I have no pics, so you obviously want to see something, it hurts you that there is nothing to see.

    You seem to like to talk about comprehension. Too bad you don't like starting sentences with capitals. It's equally as bad that you don't know the difference between 'you're' and 'your'. Gonna blame that on space bar as well? Thanks for playing.

    I have that pic because I went to Google images, I typed in 'gay love' and it was one of the results. I laughed at how appropriate it was for you, then posted it and pwnt you. Ask me some time, I'll be happy to explain to you how Google works.

    I think your car analogy is probably one of the most fail attempts in the history of the interwebz. I bet you and your barracks buddies laughed and slapped each other on the arses over how awesome you thought it was. I guess that invasion(infailsion?) must be taking care of itself with all this posting time you have..


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    Originally Posted by Exilict View Post
    I just want to add one other thing... Because really we need to compare apples to apples...

    Cro-Cop - Currently 25-6 Was 20-2 when he fought Fedor one of those losses being Randleman who he also defeted in their next fight. Fedor at the time was 23-1. You can't argue that they are not "Close" to the same level. You can say Fedor is better, and I'll agree. But they were "Close"...

    Now, we all know Fedor won, but he couldn't finish Filipovic, it had to go to the judges.

    Cro-Cop then does what Fedor wont, comes to the ufc. Gets handed 2 losses by Gabriel Gonzaga and Kongo, and wins a controversial fight (Obviously an eye gouge) vs Al Turk. No one thinks of Cro-Cop as an actual contender at 34..

    Wandy went 1-3 after returning to the UFC, after getting KOd by Hendo.. Also, Lost to Tito @ ufc.. And remember, Cro-Cop beat Wandy...

    Fact is.... Guys who dominate in pride, dont come to the UFC and dominate... No one has yet....
    What is this post even about? I mean, what's the point you were making? I just want to make sure. Is it that MMAmath doesn't work? Is it that some fighters react and adapt better to the cage than others? Is it a debate on certain fighter's primes? Is it a jab at Fedor saying he couldn't finish a guy he hasn't looked nearly as good years later when he came to the UFC--the very same UFC HW division that Fedor now "runs" from, as he will get destroyed by Lesnar? These things have already been covered. What is it? And as for the last sentence in your post, I can't really argue there. There really hasn't been a fighter who dominated in PRIDE and then came and did the same in the UFC. But then again, "dominated" is a very subjective term, no? And what about guys who did well in PRIDE but came to the UFC and dominated? Moreover, fighters who did kind of crappy in PRIDE and then dominated in the UFC? The cycle continues . . .

    Talking about fights and fighters is fun. It's obvious we all like MMA to some degree or another. However, I'm starting to agree with some others here when they say that, when it comes to this subject, it's all been said before. It's getting really boring. As I type this it gets even more boring. Here's hoping these threads die soon.
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    He's been training for 20+ years.
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    Originally Posted by Exilict View Post
    I just want to add one other thing... Because really we need to compare apples to apples...

    Cro-Cop - Currently 25-6 Was 20-2 when he fought Fedor one of those losses being Randleman who he also defeted in their next fight. Fedor at the time was 23-1. You can't argue that they are not "Close" to the same level. You can say Fedor is better, and I'll agree. But they were "Close"...

    Now, we all know Fedor won, but he couldn't finish Filipovic, it had to go to the judges.

    Cro-Cop then does what Fedor wont, comes to the ufc. Gets handed 2 losses by Gabriel Gonzaga and Kongo, and wins a controversial fight (Obviously an eye gouge) vs Al Turk. No one thinks of Cro-Cop as an actual contender at 34..

    Wandy went 1-3 after returning to the UFC, after getting KOd by Hendo.. Also, Lost to Tito @ ufc.. And remember, Cro-Cop beat Wandy...

    Fact is.... Guys who dominate in pride, dont come to the UFC and dominate... No one has yet....
    See there is this guy named Anderson Silva maybe you have heard of him he came from Pride

    Rampage has faired pretty well since joining the UFC from Pride he won a belt not too long ago

    Dan Henderson has lost twice since joining the UFC, both to Pride Guys and he's done well otherwise

    i disagree whole-heartedly with that last statement
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    Originally Posted by mophatthedamaja View Post
    See there is this guy named Anderson Silva maybe you have heard of him he came from Pride

    Rampage has faired pretty well since joining the UFC from Pride he won a belt not too long ago

    Dan Henderson has lost twice since joining the UFC, both to Pride Guys and he's done well otherwise

    i disagree whole-heartedly with that last statement
    I agree, unless we are talking HW. Cro Cop hasn't looked good, and Nog hasn't looked good. Even before he fought Mir.
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    Originally Posted by mophatthedamaja View Post
    See there is this guy named Anderson Silva maybe you have heard of him he came from Pride

    Rampage has faired pretty well since joining the UFC from Pride he won a belt not too long ago

    Dan Henderson has lost twice since joining the UFC, both to Pride Guys and he's done well otherwise

    i disagree whole-heartedly with that last statement
    Silva? Look, great fighter, not knocking him.. But @ pride he was 3-2... Thats not good.. But has dominated in the UFC.

    I put Silva in the situation where Fedor WANTS to be in. Sign into the UFC and only have a few hard fights, and beat on a lot of chumps.. And you can't argue it didnt happen... Hendo / Franklin and the rest... eh. I look forward to his fight this weekend...
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    Originally Posted by russell7165 View Post
    You commented I have no pics, so you obviously want to see something, it hurts you that there is nothing to see.

    You seem to like to talk about comprehension. Too bad you don't like starting sentences with capitals. It's equally as bad that you don't know the difference between 'you're' and 'your'. Gonna blame that on space bar as well? Thanks for playing.

    I have that pic because I went to Google images, I typed in 'gay love' and it was one of the results. I laughed at how appropriate it was for you, then posted it and pwnt you. Ask me some time, I'll be happy to explain to you how Google works.

    I think your car analogy is probably one of the most fail attempts in the history of the interwebz. I bet you and your barracks buddies laughed and slapped each other on the arses over how awesome you thought it was. I guess that invasion(infailsion?) must be taking care of itself with all this posting time you have..


    Now if you don't mind I'd appreciate it if you stopped stalking me(I'm using your female logic)..
    I said GOOD DAY!
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