Dangers of H-Drol

[shmockey]

Everyone claims that this DS is mild but still 21+ and I always see people getting steered away from using it.

In reality, what kind of side effects in the future can someone see from running H-Drol 50/50/50/50 with proper liver and support supplements, proper PCT, and healthy diet?

If someone at 18 would use H-Drol.. are they asking for trouble? Or is it slim.

[wannabeshredded]

Everyone claims that this DS is mild but still 21+ and I always see people getting steered away from using it.

In reality, what kind of side effects in the future can someone see from running H-Drol 50/50/50/50 with proper liver and support supplements, proper PCT, and healthy diet?

If someone at 18 would use H-Drol.. are they asking for trouble? Or is it slim.

at 18 liver troubles using H-drol are the least of your worries. Nobody really knows the long-term effects of PH/DS/AAS, but the reason why products like these are reccommended for 21+ is because it shuts down your natural testosterone production. While it is likely you'll be fine post cycle, the risks certaintly outweigh the benefits.

[derf87]

You should be 21 for any hormonal product.

The truth is, everything you hear will be anecdotal. Some people will tell you it's mild. Some people will tell you its harsher than it's believed to be. People will say they got no sides; others think (key word: think) they have liver pains from it.

Everything is anecdotal and based off their own experience. Most often, this is subjectively based on how they feel, or think they feel. Without full blood panels and such you can't tell how "mild" a cycle is. Without comparing liver enzymes values, lipids, and test/estrogen levels pre, mid, and post cycle with the same values of someone on a 'harsher' compound we can't accurately draw conclusions.

This is true for all prohormones, unless anyone can find a research article on the compound, of course. I'm just sick of always hearing people regurgitating things they've heard but can't empirically prove.

[SleepingPeace]

You should be 21 for any hormonal product.

The truth is, everything you hear will be anecdotal. Some people will tell you it's mild. Some people will tell you its harsher than it's believed to be. People will say they got no sides; others think (key word: think) they have liver pains from it.

Everything is anecdotal and based off their own experience. Most often, this is subject based on how they feel, or think they feel. Without full blood panels and such you can't tell how "mild" a cycle is. Without comparing liver enzyme values pre, mid, and post cycle with the same values of someone on a 'harsher' compound we can't accurately draw conclusions.

This is true for all prohormones, unless anyone can find a research article on the compound, of course. I'm just sick of always hearing people regurgitating things they've heard but can't empirically prove.

So true.

[shmockey]

at 18 liver troubles using H-drol are the least of your worries. Nobody really knows the long-term effects of PH/DS/AAS, but the reason why products like these are reccommended for 21+ is because it shuts down your natural testosterone production. While it is likely you'll be fine post cycle, the risks certaintly outweigh the benefits.

What are the actual risks that someone can realistically see for this kind of product with dosing and the precautions I mentioned?

[shmockey]

You should be 21 for any hormonal product.

The truth is, everything you hear will be anecdotal. Some people will tell you it's mild. Some people will tell you its harsher than it's believed to be. People will say they got no sides; others think (key word: think) they have liver pains from it.

Everything is anecdotal and based off their own experience. Most often, this is subjectively based on how they feel, or think they feel. Without full blood panels and such you can't tell how "mild" a cycle is. Without comparing liver enzymes values, lipids, and test/estrogen levels pre, mid, and post cycle with the same values of someone on a 'harsher' compound we can't accurately draw conclusions.

This is true for all prohormones, unless anyone can find a research article on the compound, of course. I'm just sick of always hearing people regurgitating things they've heard but can't empirically prove.

Don't you basically start your system back up when you run reversitol/clomid/nolva?

[AirChair]

Don't you basically start your system back up when you run reversitol/clomid/nolva?

That's the idea.

What he's saying is that very few are actually sure how 'normal' they are, because a large percentage of the users don't get a full blood workup at the necessary intervals to really tell.

If they don't get it done before, you haven't established baseline.

If you don't get it done mid-cycle (I take that to mean immediately before starting PCT) you have no idea how suppressed you are/were.

If you don't get it done after your post-cycle, you have no idea how well you recovered.

[Wingdeezey]

Your Libido is going to be your biggest noticeable concern post cycle.

You could potentially damage your endocrine system, fuse growth plates early.

Sure there is the chance that won't happen but you won't know until later when you can't do anything about it.

But trust me the drop in libido alone makes it not worth doing. I would suggest taking a different route.

Screw PH's under 21

[shmockey]

Your Libido is going to be your biggest noticeable concern post cycle.

You could potentially damage your endocrine system, fuse growth plates early.

Sure there is the chance that won't happen but you won't know until later when you can't do anything about it.

But trust me the drop in libido alone makes it not worth doing. I would suggest taking a different route.

Screw PH's under 21

If you do bloodwork pre, mid, and post-cycle, will you be able to determine any problems such as a future libido drop and prevent it early?

Or is libido something you can't really see from bloodwork?

[Hat_Monster]

If you do bloodwork pre, mid, and post-cycle, will you be able to determine any problems such as a future libido drop and prevent it early?

Or is libido something you can't really see from bloodwork?

Dude, I can't say anything that hasn't already been said. It's better to leave these products until you're 21. Now, I know there's people 21+ that have the maturity/intelligence of a thirteen year old but still...

...a friend got me hooked on lifting, but I kept it up while he got interested in other things in life, looking back...I guess he'd be happy not to have done a round. Reasons why everyone will say wait a while, if you're still lifting at 21, then that's dedication.

**Read the stickies**

[Acetyl-CoA]

Or is libido something you can't really see from bloodwork?

Brotha???? Libido is the subjective sensation of sexual drive.

[Ampulle]

Honestly if you're mature and know enough about the product you should be able to use it. In my **OPINION** I believe it's fine for responsible 18 year olds and higher to use these hormonal products. If you know about on-cycle support supplements and post cycle recovery options that has been known to work, then bringing back your body to natural limits wouldn't be hard nor unheard of for an 18-20 year old.

Let's face it, a lot of kids mature before they hit 21, let alone 18. Me, for example, I had facial hair in 7th grade lol. Although this might not be true for everyone I sure as hell know it's true for a lot of people. But yes, I do agree that blood work is extremely important in understanding where you are with your system. For example, if you see your liver enzymes shoot up then of course your liver is taking quite a hit.. and you would stop the cycle...

Teens have an extremely bad reputation when it comes to steroids. I've yet to see a responsible teenager get affected by steroids in a negative way (when I say responsible, I mean one who ran the cycle correctly and knew what he was doing). The teens you see who mess themselves up (especially on this board) are the ones running superdrol compounds 30mgs for 8 weeks without a PCT 5 times a year. Well.. NO **** that's going to screw you up no matter how old you are. So responsibility is the key here.


Just my opinion, don't take it to heart

[Maiden69]

Here is one reason why. Now, why can't you wait? Is there so much pressure over your shoulders? I wish there was this kind of support and natural supplements when I was your age, you can do extremely well on any good supplement, NO, Creatine, proper nutrition and rest. Once your test levels go down, then go ahead and knock yourself down. You will be surprised at how much you can achieve naturally before going to PH/DS.

Steroids can stunt growth.
In the mid- to late- teen years, the epiphyseal growth plates at the ends of bones stop growing. It is at that age that most people stop growing. If a teenager is taking certain steroids, he does risk causing receptor damage in these areas. However, due to the already elevated levels of testosterone in the body until age 20 or 22, no healthy male or female should be using steroids until after these ages anyway. Steroids are most effective when their use begins in the late 20s to early 30s, when the metabolism has begun to slow and the body?s own natural testosterone has slowed to a rate where new muscle growth is very hard to attain. Anything taken before then can lead to a lifetime requirement of hormone-replacement therapy, along with many other issues ? legal, financial, medical, etc. There are a lot of reasons not to start steroids in your teenage years, and the potential for stunted growth is certainly one of them.

[manofmany]

I wish I would have still been growing at 18, 19, or 20 lol. I didn't grow a lick after 16. Height wise atleast.

[TJM5054]

at 18 liver troubles using H-drol are the least of your worries.

That is funny because around that age is when you abuse alcohol the most, along with 18-when you graduate from college (if you choose to attend) At least it was for me.

[xBORKOx]

I would say, 21 is still not enough...I would wait at least till 25...but thats just me...

[Ampulle]

Here is one reason why. Now, why can't you wait? Is there so much pressure over your shoulders? I wish there was this kind of support and natural supplements when I was your age, you can do extremely well on any good supplement, NO, Creatine, proper nutrition and rest. Once your test levels go down, then go ahead and knock yourself down. You will be surprised at how much you can achieve naturally before going to PH/DS.

The use of some steroids can possibly stunt the growth potential of people who have not finished growing. This is only possible with certain steroids, and not with others. In fact, certain steroids have been used in clinical settings to improve growth rates in children . It is probable that the premature closure of the epiphysial cartilage, which is most likely caused by aromatizable steroids, will lead to a possible growth inhibiting effect, and could ultimately result in a shorter adult height. This most likely an irreversible side effect, as the growth plates would have sealed and can not "re-open". Anavar (Oxandrolone) has been used to improve the height of growth stunted children, and it is probable that most DHT-derived steroids could also be used for this purpose as could certain anti-estrogens.

Let's also remember that the abuse of anti-hyperactivity pills also causes stunted growth..

[haglock]

H-Drol is one of the more mild ones. It's methyl but it's mild. I was drinking (moderately) almost every weekend on it. I've run two cycles of it (one with Bold) and I love it. I actually ran my first one when I was 19 when it was Halodrol-50. I'm fine, though as stated above that's not really relevant.

[Jaberwaki]

Its not a magic number anyone should be waiting for 18+ 21+ 25+....
It is my opinion that a person should not start looking to the PH/DS/AAS route until they have reach thier own maximum natural limit.

I don't mean when you hit a plateau in your training, I mean you have reached the very best shape you can acheave naturally... For every person it is differant. Chances are if you have been training for years, but have seen no growth in over a year, then you may have hit it. If you are still making gains naturally then why make the jump?

[UnionHooligan]

Honestly if you're mature and know enough about the product you should be able to use it. In my **OPINION** I believe it's fine for responsible 18 year olds and higher to use these hormonal products. If you know about on-cycle support supplements and post cycle recovery options that has been known to work, then bringing back your body to natural limits wouldn't be hard nor unheard of for an 18-20 year old.

Let's face it, a lot of kids mature before they hit 21, let alone 18. Me, for example, I had facial hair in 7th grade lol. Although this might not be true for everyone I sure as hell know it's true for a lot of people. But yes, I do agree that blood work is extremely important in understanding where you are with your system. For example, if you see your liver enzymes shoot up then of course your liver is taking quite a hit.. and you would stop the cycle...

Teens have an extremely bad reputation when it comes to steroids. I've yet to see a responsible teenager get affected by steroids in a negative way (when I say responsible, I mean one who ran the cycle correctly and knew what he was doing). The teens you see who mess themselves up (especially on this board) are the ones running superdrol compounds 30mgs for 8 weeks without a PCT 5 times a year. Well.. NO **** that's going to screw you up no matter how old you are. So responsibility is the key here.


Just my opinion, don't take it to heart

Most people are not fully developed until 22-25 normally you gave some horrible advice.

[S_P_Q_R]

But what about long term effects....?????

What will be some of the problems when you are in your 40's or 50's ...???

[larrinho]

Or is libido something you can't really see from bloodwork?[/QUOTE]

hahahahaha I'm sorry but that was hilarious!!

[jonisocool]

I think if you are worried about the short term or long term sides, that you shouldnt do it at all.

Its kinda like your friends are trying to get you to smoke meth, and you're fully aware of the side effects long or short. Would you do it?

I'm not saying PH/DS are that extreme lol. but if you're worried about the sides, then maybe its not for you.

I couldnt think of a better analogy. I was gunna use sky diving and doubts. but skydiving is fking cool.

[Wingdeezey]

This is not about the maturity to use Prohormone's this is about the physical ramifications that will happen to you if you use them.

At this point enough people have suggested that you do not use them. If you so choose to I suggest you research PCT thoroughly and don't half ass anything.

I figure you are probably going to regret doing this but if your minds made up you probably can't be stopped.

Good luck.

[xBORKOx]

I think the side effects of AAS are much more noticable...however PHs have still some...

[UnionHooligan]

I think the side effects of AAS are much more noticable...however PHs have still some...

Most PH's are Steroids. I don't get why people think they are two different things.

PH's need to be converted to the steroid form

D/S Do not need to be converted

H-Drol needs no conversion by the body.

[Arson]

Here is one reason why. Now, why can't you wait? Is there so much pressure over your shoulders? I wish there was this kind of support and natural supplements when I was your age, you can do extremely well on any good supplement, NO, Creatine, proper nutrition and rest. Once your test levels go down, then go ahead and knock yourself down. You will be surprised at how much you can achieve naturally before going to PH/DS.

Its actually estrogen that is responsible for the closure of the epiphyseal plates. If one can avoid elevated estrogen throughout the cycle and pct(which is probably unlikely, even if the compound doesnt aromatize), then theoretically it can be avoided. But, there will likely be a rebound of sorts somewhere down the line.

http://books.google.com/books?id=sJ8...esult&resnum=2

[xBORKOx]

Most PH's are Steroids. I don't get why people think they are two different things.

PH's need to be converted to the steroid form

D/S Do not need to be converted

H-Drol needs no conversion by the body.

yes thats right, but thats it. I thougt that because they are converted they are less "toxic"...

[Wingdeezey]

Better Idea

Buy 2 bottles of Maxout run a 50 day and see results.

Be probably the same amount of money as your cycle + PCT if not cheaper.

[Jaberwaki]

yes thats right, but thats it. I thougt that because they are converted they are less "toxic"...

Very Very incorrect.