Let's face it, square breaking FFVII into three games to sell us shows that gaming is

[rectifryer]

Completely fukked.

AAA gaming isn't coming back. To make matters worse, squarenix is on the verge of bankruptcy and refuses to release remake & rebirth on xbox. Square was once a paragon of AAA gaming...and not even they can survive greed. Just fukking lol. They deserve to fail for this cash grab bullchit, yet their sacred Sony cow will be the end of them. Good riddance.

Fuk every company that acts like this.

Each chapter of FFVII will be $70 and you stupid fuks will buy it. You'll be paying $210 for something that shouldn't be $50, and you also deserve to be out of your money.

[Mulloway69]

Agreed.

PS5 owner, only reason I dont have Xbox is I dont game enough to justify one console let alone 2.

[JayJ350]

There's a good reason why I have really slowed down on buying new current gen games, no longer listen to the video game press, and have placed a lot more priority in having classics and my backlog easily accessible. The gaming industry has been on a very slippery slope for at least the past decade, and it's finally gotten bad enough to where people can no longer ignore the state of things.

[JayJ350]

Agreed.

PS5 owner, only reason I dont have Xbox is I dont game enough to justify one console let alone 2.

If it wasn't for GT7 I would have never bothered with buying a PS5. Srs.

[rectifryer]

There's a good reason why I have really slowed down on buying new current gen games, no longer listen to the video game press, and have placed a lot more priority in having classics and my backlog. The gaming industry has been on a very slippery slope for at least the past decade, and it's finally gotten bad enough to where people can no longer ignore the state of things.

I've been playing through ps1 classics. It has been kind of a mindfuk. FFVII & VIII still hold up. RE1&2 are still fukking scary. These games were made by players for players. There are deep reward systems for players paying attention. I need to play more indie games, but god damn if there isn't a lot of trash out there.

[JayJ350]

I've been playing through ps1 classics. It has been kind of a mindfuk. FFVII & VIII still hold up. RE1&2 are still fukking scary. These games were made by players for players. There are deep reward systems for players paying attention. I need to play more indie games, but god damn if there isn't a lot of trash out there.

The indie gaming scene is kind of a mess thanks to mobile gaming and all the samey retro inspired cash-in bullchit. It's why I keep referencing AA as what's been keeping gaming still somewhat interesting for me. Basically, AA is the new AAA, and AAA has become this AAAA scam bullchit with massively bloated budgets and workforces that produce soulless results.

But yeah, when I go back and play stuff from the PS1, PS2, and 360 eras, it's like I'm suddenly reminded of what video games should be like and why I found them to be so fun in the first place.

[ChangGang]

Square Enix and that f4gg0t hack Kojima are the two biggest stains on Japanese gaming. These two fkn retards really led the charge in trying to appeal to Westoid gamers. Everything down to the predatory practices, gameplay appeal, contents, SJWness, and cultural trends.

At least SE has finally opened their eyes and accepted the massive Ls they've been taking for the past 15 years.

FF7 remake was the biggest mistake in gaming history. Remake was a 6/10 game without the fanboy nostalgia, and Rebirth is a dogchit 5/10 game filled with Westoid slop busy body padding and completely soulless. No wonder Rebirth is selling like **** and I hope part 3 completely tanks and sends SE back to the 8bit era **** THESE SELL OUT N1PS.

yes mad.

[rectifryer]

Square Enix and that f4gg0t hack Kojima are the two biggest stains on Japanese gaming. These two fkn retards really led the charge in trying to appeal to Westoid gamers. Everything down to the predatory practices, gameplay appeal, contents, SJWness, and cultural trends.

At least SE has finally opened their eyes and accepted the massive Ls they've been taking for the past 15 years.

FF7 remake was the biggest mistake in gaming history. Remake was a 6/10 game without the fanboy nostalgia, and Rebirth is a dogchit 5/10 game filled with Westoid slop busy body padding and completely soulless. No wonder Rebirth is selling like **** and I hope part 3 completely tanks and sends SE back to the 8bit era **** THESE SELL OUT N1PS.

yes mad.

Square just laid off like half their company from what I understand lmao so they're definitely spiraling down. They have not turned a profit in the last TWO QUARTERS.

[JayJ350]

Square just laid off like half their company from what I understand lmao so they're definitely spiraling down. They have not turned a profit in the last TWO QUARTERS.

When it comes to Square it's like:

[Coal Man]

Final Fantasy isn't why square is losing money, it's a bunch of their other flopped releases (Forspoken, Foamstars etc) and cancelled projects

But still... Modern Final Fantasy just isn't as great as it once was

I haven't played FF16 yet but its reception was mixed and performance awful (reason I didn't buy)

FF Remake and Rebirth really aren't that great. They're decent but the story should be over by now instead of stretching over 10 years. Remember this is an old story that's already told, just worse than the original due to convoluted modern changes. It's not new or exciting.


They need to update their engine, work on optimization and honestly hire better writers that can tell better stories that respect my time.

[Akd123]

Square Enix and that f4gg0t hack Kojima are the two biggest stains on Japanese gaming. These two fkn retards really led the charge in trying to appeal to Westoid gamers. Everything down to the predatory practices, gameplay appeal, contents, SJWness, and cultural trends.

At least SE has finally opened their eyes and accepted the massive Ls they've been taking for the past 15 years.

FF7 remake was the biggest mistake in gaming history. Remake was a 6/10 game without the fanboy nostalgia, and Rebirth is a dogchit 5/10 game filled with Westoid slop busy body padding and completely soulless. No wonder Rebirth is selling like **** and I hope part 3 completely tanks and sends SE back to the 8bit era **** THESE SELL OUT N1PS.

yes mad.

thats your fuking opinion. I got the OG FF7 day one in 97. Ive played every Squaresoft game ever made. Remake is a damn good game and in some ways better than the OG from a Narrative point. Im the biggest FF7 fan ever. I bought a PS5 just for Rebirth. Ill admit im pretty disappointed with it. I even bought the Deluxe edition for $150. Its tough But Remake is damn good game and Rebirth has its moments too. Havent beaten it yet. Im at the end of Chapter 2

Square and Sony had ALWAYS gone with that western theme. The OG FF on NES was inspired by western themes. You dont know what the fuk your talking about. Its Westerners fault Not Square of Sony. Nobody knows WTF they want. im done here

[Coal Man]

thats your fuking opinion. I got the OG FF7 day one in 97. Ive played every Squaresoft game ever made. Remake is a damn good game and in some ways better than the OG from a Narrative point. Im the biggest FF7 fan ever. I bought a PS5 just for Rebirth. Ill admit im pretty disappointed with it. I even bought the Deluxe edition for $150. Its tough But Remake is damn good game and Rebirth has its moments too. Havent beaten it yet. Im at the end of Chapter 2

Remake is more replayable, tells a more exciting and better paced story that doesn't feel boring and drawn out. My biggest issues with Remake were the bad side quests and I don't like many of the arenas that feel cramped and like labyrinths/mazes. Examples are the sky lamp section, or the section where you dump the robot parts, or the sewer section, or collapsed expressway section etc. Or the Shinra lab. These parts just suck the joy out for me. The ghosts of fate stuff at the end was also trash.

Edit: I made this post to kinda agree with you that Remake is better but I realized I think it's just an okay game lol.

[ChangGang]

thats your fuking opinion. I got the OG FF7 day one in 97. Ive played every Squaresoft game ever made. Remake is a damn good game and in some ways better than the OG from a Narrative point. Im the biggest FF7 fan ever. I bought a PS5 just for Rebirth. Ill admit im pretty disappointed with it. I even bought the Deluxe edition for $150. Its tough But Remake is damn good game and Rebirth has its moments too. Havent beaten it yet. Im at the end of Chapter 2

Square and Sony had ALWAYS gone with that western theme. The OG FF on NES was inspired by western themes. You dont know what the fuk your talking about. Its Westerners fault Not Square of Sony. Nobody knows WTF they want. im done here

you are retarded and low IQ and I'm ded fkn srs.

being Western and being Western inspired are two completely different thing, you retard.

It's the same with FromSoft.

They clearly are inspired by medieval Europe, but design wise, FromSoft games are UNMISTAKABLY JAPANESE. This is something you have no understanding of.

Just because FF1 had knights and mages doesn't fkn mean it was a Western game made with Western sense and sensibilities.

You are spewing a very typically NPC talking point rooted in lack of understanding of fundamental approaches to videogames from Japan vs the West.

Thank you, Captain Obvious, for pointing out that it's my opinion. Except my opinion is backed up by almost 20 years of SE losing their image, prestige, premier status, and most importantly (to SE), SALES AND MONEY.

You can sukk Rebirth off all you want. But the sales says the people do not want that piece of dogchit. SE doesn't give a fukk that the majority of Westoid critics gave it a 90+. What good is critical acclaim when nobody is buying your fkn dogchit games?

FF16 and Rebirth are both supposed critical darling, but that really doesn't mean anything other than SJW Westoid f4gg0t reviewers love their games.

Their core audience don't and won't buy their modern games. And the Western audience they keep appealing to refuse to buy their games no matter how many random Black NPCs they fill their soulless open world games with.

And that is the issue they are finally understanding now.

SE needs to go back to its roots of making unapologetically Japanese games that appeal to Japanese people. These are the OG games that the world fell in love with. Chrono Trigger, FF6, FF7, FFT, Xenogears, Chrono Cross, Vagrant Story, etc., etc.,

Not garbage truck JUICE like Forspoken, FF16, FF15, Remake/Rebirth, and all their modern day SLOP.

[Akd123]

you are retarded and low IQ and I'm ded fkn srs.

being Western and being Western inspired are two completely different thing, you retard.

It's the same with FromSoft.

They clearly are inspired by medieval Europe, but design wise, FromSoft games are UNMISTAKABLY JAPANESE. This is something you have no understanding of.

Just because FF1 had knights and mages doesn't fkn mean it was a Western game made with Western sense and sensibilities.

You are spewing a very typically NPC talking point rooted in lack of understanding of fundamental approaches to videogames from Japan vs the West.

Thank you, Captain Obvious, for pointing out that it's my opinion. Except my opinion is backed up by almost 20 years of SE losing their image, prestige, premier status, and most importantly (to SE), SALES AND MONEY.

You can sukk Rebirth off all you want. But the sales says the people do not want that piece of dogchit. SE doesn't give a fukk that the majority of Westoid critics gave it a 90+. What good is critical acclaim when nobody is buying your fkn dogchit games?

FF16 and Rebirth are both supposed critical darling, but that really doesn't mean anything other than SJW Westoid f4gg0t reviewers love their games.

Their core audience don't and won't buy their modern games. And the Western audience they keep appealing to refuse to buy their games no matter how many random Black NPCs they fill their soulless open world games with.

And that is the issue they are finally understanding now.

SE needs to go back to its roots of making unapologetically Japanese games that appeal to Japanese people. These are the OG games that the world fell in love with. Chrono Trigger, FF6, FF7, FFT, Xenogears, Chrono Cross, Vagrant Story, etc., etc.,

Not garbage truck JUICE like Forspoken, FF16, FF15, Remake/Rebirth, and all their modern day SLOP.

Your a stupid fuk. you didnt even understand my post. im been playing games longer than youve been alive you poser fuk. im not even gonna try and explain it to your dumb ass. your just a punk kid

[ChangGang]

Your a stupid fuk. you didnt even understand my post. im been playing games longer than youve been alive you poser fuk. im not even gonna try and explain it to your dumb ass. your just a punk kid

watch out we have a bad ass over here LOL.

shut up retard. Rebirth was pure BUTTHOLE LEAKAGE.

[JUSA]

I am more a fan of the AA games. Kind of like with movies, when you have these massive budgets - you have to play it safe, it stifles creativity and you see these corporate moves like with modern FF.

AA games seem to have just enough budget to get it done and at least have the potential for greatness. You will never see another great Diablo or FF, Lord help us with the newly termed, "AAAA" games, which will have even less soul or heart.

[phaginator]

Nah the games are great (besides the rewrite of the story)

[LtGoose]

Modern Gaming is ruining gaming. At least give us some good games to play while we watch society collapse smh my head.

Oh well back to F2P Honkai Star Rail

[obmas]

FF7 remake is awesome and I'll gladly throw money at Square Enix for more quality FF games.

Bought the deluxe version of Rebirth and FF16 and not a single Fck was given.

[nkiritsis13]

Completely fukked.

AAA gaming isn't coming back. To make matters worse, squarenix is on the verge of bankruptcy and refuses to release remake & rebirth on xbox. Square was once a paragon of AAA gaming...and not even they can survive greed. Just fukking lol. They deserve to fail for this cash grab bullchit, yet their sacred Sony cow will be the end of them. Good riddance.

Fuk every company that acts like this.

Each chapter of FFVII will be $70 and you stupid fuks will buy it. You'll be paying $210 for something that shouldn't be $50, and you also deserve to be out of your money.

Some of what I listed out below applies to what you said as well, like Square Enix shooting themselves in the foot by repeatedly limiting their potential sales and FF7 Full Retard being split into 3 parts + DLC.

Modern gaming is heading towards a crash, and that isn't even hyperbole anymore.

All of the major publishers are only just now slowly starting to piece together that spending hundreds of millions developing a single game for 5+ years is unsustainable.

Worse, fewer understand that pursuing one, if not multiple inorganic instances of a live service lighting in a bottle is bound for failure. They aren't piecing together that they are generally seeking out the same audience, which together has a limit on available time to dedicate to more than one live service game, alongside a limited willingness to invest themselves in live service ecosystem, never mind the several all of these publishers somehow thing are manageable for the average human with only 24 hours per day.

Costs for everyday consumer goods have not stopped rising, consequently spending on the non-essentials like video games have dropped, and best of all, the snail's pace of game releases has done nothing to convince people to buy the hardware - nor has the reliance upon remasters from only the last generation or two.

All of the layoffs, with more to come, and "consolidations" amongst studios spell out how bad of a shape the industry is in so long as companies insist on chasing after some myopic MBA's fantasies for untenable stock values.

Final Fantasy isn't why square is losing money, it's a bunch of their other flopped releases (Forspoken, Foamstars etc) and cancelled projects

But still... Modern Final Fantasy just isn't as great as it once was

I haven't played FF16 yet but its reception was mixed and performance awful (reason I didn't buy)

FF Remake and Rebirth really aren't that great. They're decent but the story should be over by now instead of stretching over 10 years. Remember this is an old story that's already told, just worse than the original due to convoluted modern changes. It's not new or exciting.


They need to update their engine, work on optimization and honestly hire better writers that can tell better stories that respect my time.

I agree overall, although I don't think Final Fantasy is helping them as much as they would like, either:

- Final Fantasy Remake and Final Fantasy 16 have massive development costs, and while we don't have exact figures, we do know that by June, 2022, Square Enix spent 6 billion dollars, $711 million in 2021 alone, on game development. SE's smaller titles have been bombs, but on top of that they have these major productions that will have proportionally massive costs associated with them.

- Final Fantasy 16 alone reportedly began development before Final Fantasy 15 even released. While the individual portions of the Final Fantasy 7 Remake trilogy have taken less time, altogether, the trilogy's full production did begin way back in late 2015, and it still has yet to finish with part 3 expected between 2027-2028.

- Although Sony's exclusivity bribe helps offset costs, they're screwing themselves out of otherwise easy sales because when exclusivity is finally up, they've completely lost any and a great deal of hype, surprise, and pre-orders/day 1 impulse sales, while in turn allowing enough time for more levelheaded criticism to take shape, as well as spoilers that might deter potential buyers.

- On top of that, then consider, for example, how Sony paid Square for only 6 months exclusivity, yet they are still bumbling around with their PC port, and they won't even bump things up with a few Xbox sales regardless of how small that market is, either. This leads me to believe that their development pipeline in general is bit of a mess because they should have been getting the PC version ready simultaneously if they knew it was going to be multiplatform; they're literally making the game on computers, so for them to continue acting like having a PC version on the table is some sort of surprise is old by now, and nothing about their games scream, "this definitely warranted more than the agreed upon X months."

- Where Square keeps shooting themselves in the foot again is then signing another totally unnecessary and completely inane exclusivity deal with Epic, practically ensuring that they get none of the sales they could on PC even harder. I will never understand the appeal of Kingdom Hearts, but apparently this series has been on PC for years, except nobody would actually know that because nobody except fortnite kiddies use Epic.

- Finally, Final Fantasy Rebirth and 16 both failed to meet Square's own expectations, with their estimates on FF16's sales being around 3 million, starting off strong but then dropping off.

As for Final Fantasy Rebirth, although they aren't coming right out and saying that it performed bad, they also aren't even giving any sales figures.

Speaking as someone who was always intrigued by FF7 and would have loved a true remake, especially with the real time combat, I can see why it might have fallen off a cliff once they revealed their cards that it is instead the beaten-to-death, cliched, meta-wank brainchild of the Kingdom Hearts guy, which explains everything (except the plot). They could have gotten away with splitting the game up if they stuck to the original beat by beat, only adding meaningful content instead of Kingdom Hearts fanfic just because of the acclaim of original game's acclaim, but now people (myself included) are going to be far more inclined to wait this out to see if it's even worth a damn in the end, picking the games up on discount instead of immediately jumping on board the hype train.

Square took what could have been a much simpler project - just remake the fukking game with the updated visuals and mechanics - and turned it into an overly padded, convoluted, drawn out trilogy that takes the unnecessary, frankly daft risk of trying to rewrite and therefore surpass a game that is widely known to be a classic. And now they're committed to this schit until 2028 or whatever because their eyes were bigger than their stomachs as to what they could feasibly accomplish for a 3D action game attempting to adapt FF7 with modern development times and costs.

I'll throw in how Square Enix so wisely also...

- Sold off its Western studios and renowned, recent IPs like Tomb Raider and Deus Ex, as well as many other, older IPs like Legacy of Kain and Thief. Then they tried to cater to Western audiences a full retard isekai...

- To wit, they may have spent over $100 million on Foresposkin, which was such a failure that they had to dissolve the studio (which probably involved a ton of its own costs because of the Luminous Engine).

- Invested in NFTS and blockchain despite having zero clue as to what that even means because they're run by fukking potatoes:

In his annual New Year letter, Square Enix’s president and representative director Yosuke Matsuda explains that, despite “a sombre string of news stories” surrounding NFTs in 2022, the company is still ploughing cash into them.

“In terms of new business domains, we named three focus investment fields under our medium-term business plan,” he states. “Among those, we are most focused on blockchain entertainment, to which we have devoted aggressive investment and business development efforts.”

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