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    Originally Posted by AWillis View Post
    considering biden was wrong about everything to do with his whole career. lol if you think a big pharma funded "doctor" know anything about the fat-asses of america

    retard
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    Originally Posted by Duckliver View Post
    Oh get over yourself hippie.

    Seven elevens have canned beans, instant rice, block cheese, pickles, nuts, bananas/oranges
    Come on bro seriously? Are you gonna tell me that instant rice and block cheese are the staples of a healthy diet?
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    diabetic pat actually agrees with the LMAO FAT ASS
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    Originally Posted by GainzMcgee View Post
    no recorded data supports your ancedotal comment



    added an extra chart because he us old

    Why do you even bother with data like that?

    It's going to be from some small sample and who did they use to prove "obesity" is increasing?

    It's like, people who go to the doctor.

    I never have to go to the doctor because I do not get sick. Sick people go to the doctor, and guess what, fat people are probably over represented.

    Also, BMI is nonsense.

    I would fit into the massively obese range just based on my weight, but it's muscle. When I get a physical for work, I will see the nurse struggling to think and will tell her to not put obese down because these idiots cannot think.

    Many Americans are very robust due to a good diet. Also, black and Hispanics can be VERY solidly build people with dense muscles, so the white nerd BMI does not apply to them.

    You don't know what those stats mean.
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    Originally Posted by suave2000 View Post
    Come on bro seriously? Are you gonna tell me that instant rice and block cheese are the staples of a healthy diet?
    While it’s not optimal I could still live a year off seven eleven and maintain a healthy body. Hitting not only macros but micros using the canned products and seeds/nuts with light fruit selections.

    A lot of stuff like dried goods and canned goods would be a requirement for living off the land naturally going through winter in most of the world.
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    Originally Posted by TheAdlerian View Post
    Why do you even bother with data like that?

    It's going to be from some small sample and who did they use to prove "obesity" is increasing?

    It's like, people who go to the doctor.

    I never have to go to the doctor because I do not get sick. Sick people go to the doctor, and guess what, fat people are probably over represented.

    Also, BMI is nonsense.

    I would fit into the massively obese range just based on my weight, but it's muscle. When I get a physical for work, I will see the nurse struggling to think and will tell her to not put obese down because these idiots cannot think.

    Many Americans are very robust due to a good diet. Also, black and Hispanics can be VERY solidly build people with dense muscles, so the white nerd BMI does not apply to them.

    You don't know what those stats mean.
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    Originally Posted by Duckliver View Post
    Completely false from both a statistical point of view and from an observable point of view.

    Schools used to have a few fat kids, now they have a few skinny kids.

    Fat people were noticeable in the nineties, now they are the crowd.
    Read what I've just said about stats.

    Meanwhile, I actually work with kids, I'm in schools, etc, and I do not see fat kids. I will see large kids, but not obese ones.

    Anyone who actually lifts, meaning no one here, knows the BMI is an extremely poor indicator of anything.

    So, all stats are going to be wrong because an outdated measure is being used.

    BMI is based on the bodies of white nerds.
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    I definitely see the effects of big pharma.

    I started to gain a lot of weight in 2018 when they put me on around 5 psych meds to get me off of benzos that I've legally taken for anxiety, because the 5 are not controlled substances. The problem is that 3 of them have weight gain as a side effect. They also make you extremely fatigued.

    SSRIs are known to cause weight gain and they are handed out like candy.

    Fast food has been around forever. Its was around when I was a kid but we went as a once a week treat. Now families go daily.

    Technology has made people more sedentary. Instead of going to the grocery store people order Amazon, Instacart or Door Dash. You can easily walk 2-3,000 steps or more doing those errands on your own.

    Very few people go to the gym regularly, especially once they have kids. I had to go at 9pm at night once she was in bed.
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    Originally Posted by TheAdlerian View Post
    Read what I've just said about stats.

    Meanwhile, I actually work with kids, I'm in schools, etc, and I do not see fat kids. I will see large kids, but not obese ones.

    Anyone who actually lifts, meaning no one here, knows the BMI is an extremely poor indicator of anything.

    So, all stats are going to be wrong because an outdated measure is being used.

    BMI is based on the bodies of white nerds.
    I don’t believe a word you say since you obviously lie about squatting 1048lbs I don’t believe you work with kids either. I have three kids in all age ranges. Only the expensive private school kids are skinny. Everyone else is fat.
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    because it is a better method than trusting the anecdotes of a known fraud
    In other words, I am right and you are too stupid and gay to come up with anything of value to say.

    This thread is "gay hysterics" about obese people who don't exist, so it's right up your alley.
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    I don’t believe a word you say since you obviously lie about squatting 1048lbs I don’t believe you work with kids either. I have three kids in all age ranges. Only the expensive private school kids are skinny. Everyone else is fat.
    You're a f@cking moron who can't hold a conversation so just imagine how much I value your concerns, lol.
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    In other words, I am right and you are too stupid and gay to come up with anything of value to say.

    This thread is "gay hysterics" about obese people who don't exist, so it's right up your alley.
    Your mental gymnastics are truly astounding.

    You basically live in an alternate world to everyone else where all your made up claims remain true in order to support your ego.

    Absolute basket case
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    Your mental gymnastics are truly astounding.

    You basically live in an alternate world to everyone else where all your made up claims remain true in order to support your ego.

    Absolute basket case
    The BMI being invalid has been talked about for decades.

    If you weren't an ignorant f@ck who knows nothing about health, you would already know that.

    You're in a thread you have no knowledge about, as usual.
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    Originally Posted by TheAdlerian View Post
    The BMI being invalid has been talked about for decades.

    If you weren't an ignorant f@ck who knows nothing about health, you would already know that.

    You're in a thread you have no knowledge about, as usual.
    BMI invalidated by highly muscular people. Not pudgy Mexican kids.

    Ib4 you try to say all the fat kids are just jacked and on steroids lmao.

    Quit making chit up and pretending like that’s other peoples arguments. Not a single person on here is stupid enough to take your imaginary claim of kids being muscular healthy with even a modicum of seriousness.
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    Lmao miscers always know more than the experts. Always. Lol
    Did you read the studies cited?

    One is 32 years old

    One used mice and not humans

    Another was sponsored by weight watchers and surveyed people's perceived stigma surrounding obesity (no objective data)

    Another was a sleep study related to weight and calories consumed

    I agree thay weight loss while being simple is not easy. Much like a marathon. Very simple formula but difficult to achieve.

    The content of the article does not agree with its title. It covers a range of behaviors that are absolutely under people's control.

    The closest it comes to defending its thesis is when they cover hormones.

    It is very irresponsible to draw the conclusion that people cannot manage their own weight. That is dangerous messaging. We can certainly have more empathy but this article is irresponsibly reporting a cluster of data that are in no was conclusive.
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    Originally Posted by TheAdlerian View Post
    In other words, I am right and you are too stupid and gay to come up with anything of value to say.

    This thread is "gay hysterics" about obese people who don't exist, so it's right up your alley.
    obese people who don't exist?

    Right there I can stop listening to you because you are ridiculous if you believe that.
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    I had open heart surgery last year, I'm on blood thinners and aspirin for life brahs.

    My surgeon regularly cheks in with me, he says I'm overweight because of my anti-anxiety medication.

    Surprised a doctor of his degree would blame medication on me being a fat fuk when its a simple fact that I eat too much.

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    Originally Posted by NYPat View Post
    Lmao miscers always know more than the experts. Always. Lol
    There's no way you aren't trolling

    Originally Posted by jtaylor2010 View Post
    I always thought you were a legitimately brainwashed retard, but this post strongly points to you just being a troll. For as idiotic as you’ve been in the past, there’s no way someone on a bodybuilding forum would defend an article that says obesity is beyond peoples’ control. Even you can’t possibly be that brainwashed.
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    Originally Posted by TheAdlerian View Post
    That's absolutely not true.

    When I was a kid, people were wildly fat and smoked like they were on fire.

    Generally speaking, people are less fat now, especially older people.
    Must be very specific to your location, because growing up, the fat kids were teased and rare. Fuk, people knew the fat kids by name BECAUSE they were fat. These days every 3rd or 4th kid is legit fat.
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    Originally Posted by Muzzlrpress View Post
    Must be very specific to your location, because growing up, the fat kids were teased and rare. Fuk, people knew the fat kids by name BECAUSE they were fat. These days every 3rd or 4th kid is legit fat.
    I can remember only a few kids in high school being legitimately fat. Out of 1400 kids.
    The other trend I see that is probably just as bad as obesity, is every kid now seems to have horrible posture. Shoulders rounded forward, head down, body tilted forward, etc.
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    Originally Posted by Muzzlrpress View Post
    Must be very specific to your location, because growing up, the fat kids were teased and rare. Fuk, people knew the fat kids by name BECAUSE they were fat. These days every 3rd or 4th kid is legit fat.
    Going off my kid's school and sports teams and camps - not only are there more fat kids now but there are also a new class of kids that I wouldn't say are "fat" but they are overweight that I don't really recall there being when I was a kid.
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    Originally Posted by TheAdlerian View Post
    Why do you even bother with data like that?

    It's going to be from some small sample and who did they use to prove "obesity" is increasing?

    It's like, people who go to the doctor.

    I never have to go to the doctor because I do not get sick. Sick people go to the doctor, and guess what, fat people are probably over represented.

    Also, BMI is nonsense.

    I would fit into the massively obese range just based on my weight, but it's muscle. When I get a physical for work, I will see the nurse struggling to think and will tell her to not put obese down because these idiots cannot think.

    Many Americans are very robust due to a good diet. Also, black and Hispanics can be VERY solidly build people with dense muscles, so the white nerd BMI does not apply to them.

    You don't know what those stats mean.

    Stop doubling down on stupid. It isn't true that the numbers come only from doctor's offices, but let's pretend they do. Okay, then they've come from doctor's office the whole time and the trend is upward consistently, using millions of people for sample sizes.

    Another reason you're wrong is the consistent growth in diabetes. On a very related note, dialysis centers are also a growth industry. You'll be hard pressed to find people at dialysis centers who aren't obese or who weren't for decades before going to them. And people in health care can tell you it has gone way up over the years. Relatively plateaued in recent years compared to the fast growth of obesity from 1990-2015, as the obesity levels can only get so high. There's need for a lot more bariatric (severely obese) equipment, from wheelchairs to beds, etc. Those were virtually nonexistent 40 yrs ago, now they're relatively common.

    Your imagination doesn't match the real world. Even in clothing stores things are different compared to when I was a kid and young adult, reflecting the vast amount of obesity.
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    Originally Posted by kcadrenalin View Post
    I can remember only a few kids in high school being legitimately fat. Out of 1400 kids.
    The other trend I see that is probably just as bad as obesity, is every kid now seems to have horrible posture. Shoulders rounded forward, head down, body tilted forward, etc.
    It’s like it’s popular to be a lonely moody kid. I mean look at this chit.



    My wife bought these audio books and were on a road trip. I start listening to this chit and this fukkin kid dropped some guys meatball in the concrete and was to scared and whiny to fess up to it so he hid the guys sandwich and ran away causing a fight.

    Turned that chit off and binned the cd that night.

    Googled it this was the scene




    I mean fuk I spend my time trying to get my boy to keep his back up shoulders up head up looking me in the eye when I’m tellin him how it is. But building them up strong enoough to look their old man in the eyes when I’m giving em a what have you is delicate work. Role models like wimpy kid up there normalizing acting like a little girly boy just ain’t it.
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    Originally Posted by Cleveland33 View Post
    Going off my kid's school and sports teams and camps - not only are there more fat kids now but there are also a new class of kids that I wouldn't say are "fat" but they are overweight that I don't really recall there being when I was a kid.
    based

    a lot of new fat bastards out there, we are talking 110kg females
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