***NBA Discussion Thread Part 1***

[Icyhots]

Turned it to the Dallas vs Phoenix game on ESPN earlier and there were maybe 1,000 people there lmao

That being said, I saw a lot of potential talent on both teams.. crazy to think how some of these kids are 5 years younger than me

You missed Isaiah Canan compound fracturing his leg at the end of the first quarter. **** was nuts

[Drayton13xpb]

You missed Isaiah Canan compound fracturing his leg at the end of the first quarter. **** was nuts

Yeah I came in right after that I think. Not sure who Canan is, but that sucks

[fleeceitout]

lol Lebron v KD/Curry/Draymond

While shooting better than KD and averaging a triple double.

Yes, it was just Lebron vs them, not like Kyrie averaged 30 or anything or Love 16/11.

Also, KD 70 TS% Lebron 63%....Lol at just making things up.

Lebron also had the worst defensive stats in the series & shot 26% in the clutch for the playoffs.

Face it, he’s a poor man’s Harden at best.

I forgot to mention he averaged 9 uncontested rebounds & had an AST/TO ratio that wouldn’t even rank in the top 50. So his triple double average is the definition of meaningless.

[notWilliam]

Yes, it was just Lebron vs them, not like Kyrie averaged 30 or anything or Love 16/11.

Also, KD 70 TS% Lebron 63%....Lol at just making things up.

Lebron also had the worst defensive stats in the series & shot 26% in the clutch for the playoffs.

Face it, he’s a poor man’s Harden at best.

I forgot to mention he averaged 9 uncontested rebounds & had an AST/TO ratio that wouldn’t even rank in the top 50. So his triple double average is the definition of meaningless.

such a lazy narrative. KD's role on offense as a play finisher is so much different than LBJ whose the primary initiator
KDs never been a particularly efficient offensive player in the playoffs; did he magically become hyper-efficient in 8 months (OKC --> GS)?...

KD shot 4/20 in the 2016 playoffs down the stretch (within 5 points, 5 minutes or less)... do we label him as a choker then?

[fleeceitout]

such a lazy narrative. KD's role on offense as a play finisher is so much different than LBJ whose the primary initiator
KDs never been a particularly efficient offensive player in the playoffs; did he magically become hyper-efficient in 8 months (OKC --> GS)?...

KD shot 4/20 in the 2016 playoffs down the stretch (within 5 points, 5 minutes or less)... do we label him as a choker then?

As opposed to your narrative of “Lebron’s the best because I say so”?

Lol @ KD’s never been efficient in the playoffs. He’s a career 59 TS%, higher than Lebron FYI despite not getting to routinely face sub .500 teams.

Also KD was labeled as a choker after 2016’s performance, do you have short term memory loss? He redeemed himself last year, he was phenomenal & made all the big plays down the stretch.

He shot bad in the 2016 playoffs & we’re supposed to take that 1 season as a definition of his career, but ignore last year because it doesn’t fit your narrative? I lol’d.

What’s your argument for Lebron being the best player in the league? I want to hear it.

[WrestlingFan123]

2016-17 Playoff Stats

Lebron:

32.8/9.1/7.8/1.9/1.3 on .565/.411/.698

Durant:

28.5/7.9/4.3/.8/1.3 on .556/.442/.893

[fleeceitout]

2016-17 Playoff Stats

Lebron:

32.8/9.1/7.8/1.9/1.3 on .565/.411/.698

Durant:

28.5/7.9/4.3/.8/1.3 on .556/.442/.893

Not sure what you think this proves, but anyway, a little context.

Minutes per game: LeStatpad 41.3, KD 35.5....

Per 36: KD = 28.9 Pts on 68 TS%, 8.0 Rebs, 4.3 Ast, 2.6 TO

Per 36: LBJ = 28.6 Pts on 65 TS%, 7.9 Rebs, 6.8 Ast, 3.5 TO

[Spill512]

such a lazy narrative. KD's role on offense as a play finisher is so much different than LBJ whose the primary initiator
KDs never been a particularly efficient offensive player in the playoffs; did he magically become hyper-efficient in 8 months (OKC --> GS)?...

KD shot 4/20 in the 2016 playoffs down the stretch (within 5 points, 5 minutes or less)... do we label him as a choker then?

- Question me in that other thread when I say that stans consistently always claim it's all lebron.

- Guy says "lebron vs kd/curry/klay" and fleece retorts, you don't address the first guy at all and argue with fleece instead. I mean the nerve to mention klay and ignore Kyrie lmao. The logic that Lebron stans display is completely non-sensible.


The cult of Lebron has people doing hoops and mental gymnastics. Lebron doesn't play defense in the regular season "he can do it in the playoffs." Horrible defense in the finals "mumble mumble saving energy."

Lebron is a terrible defender. He plays defense every odd possession here and there like damn near anyone can. Multiple players in the league have passed up him on offense. You do the math. He's not even top 4 in the league if we're being honest. Curry, KD, Harden, and Giannis are all better at this point.

[FakeRabona]

Not sure what you think this proves, but anyway, a little context.

Minutes per game: LeStatpad 41.3, KD 35.5....

Per 36: KD = 28.9 Pts on 68 TS%, 8.0 Rebs, 4.3 Ast, 2.6 TO

Per 36: LBJ = 28.6 Pts on 65 TS%, 7.9 Rebs, 6.8 Ast, 3.5 TO

Couple of poor mans Hardens

[WrestlingFan123]

- Question me in that other thread when I say that stans consistently always claim it's all lebron.

- Guy says "lebron vs kd/curry/klay" and fleece retorts, you don't address the first guy at all and argue with fleece instead. I mean the nerve to mention klay and ignore Kyrie lmao. The logic that Lebron stans display is completely non-sensible.

Wrong, I said Lebron v Curry/Durant/Dray because Lebron plays those roles on his team, he is the best scorer, distributor and defensive anchor, Kyrie is the sidekick and while better offensively he plays on an island on that side of the ball similar to Klay defensively (good man to man perimeter defender but not a game changer as a help defender).

[fleeceitout]

Wrong, I said Lebron v Curry/Durant/Dray because Lebron plays those roles on his team, he is the best scorer, distributor and defensive anchor Kyrie is the sidekick and while better offensively he plays on an island on that side of the ball similar to Klay defensively (good man to man perimeter defender but not a game changer as a help defender).

If your definition of defensive anchor is weighing the team down like an anchor, I guess this works.

Lebron was atrocious on defense.

[tekkenbruh]

As much as I hate Harden's foul seeking and Houdini disappearing acts in playoffs, the MVP this season is his to lose. Unless Cavs players start hitting shots that Lebron sets up for them, there is no way he catches up to the beard.

Also this Cavs/Miami game has to be in top3 worst games ever. Combined 17% from 3 LOL. It's moments like this that shows how much Heat needs "the" guy to glue everything together cause otherwise they choke away the perfect opportunity to move higher up the ladder. Spo's gonna make the entire roster run suicides for 2 hours straight today.

[Spill512]

Son really said Lebron was a defensive anchor in the finals. My dude WrestlingFan hitting his autism peak.

[WrestlingFan123]

If your definition of defensive anchor is weighing the team down like an anchor, I guess this works.

Lebron was atrocious on defense.

You're talking about one Final series, check the 15-16 Finals games 3-7 one of the greatest Finals performances (offensively great, defensively historic) in the history of the game against the greatest team ever.

[WrestlingFan123]

Son really said Lebron was a defensive anchor in the finals. My dude WrestlingFan hitting his autism peak.

Wrong, I said that is his usual role, Cavs got beat in 5 due to Lebron not being his usual self on the defensive end.

[Spill512]

Wrong, I said that is his usual role, Cavs got beat in 5 due to Lebron not being his usual self on the defensive end.

What is he being right now on the defensive end?

[fleeceitout]

You're talking about one Final series, check the 15-16 Finals games 3-7 one of the greatest Finals performances (offensively great, defensively historic) in the history of the game against the greatest team ever.

This is some straight fan fiction chit.

[Spill512]

Imagine if Lebrons teammates could play to his pace. He makes extra dishes and is trying to be fast paced and playing Warriors tempo ball and his teammates are not even close to that chemistry and ball IQ. They expect him to do it all.

More than half of LeBrons turnovers come from lazy teammates not ready, or incapable of receiving a pass. Low skill and names of yesterday. LeBrons teammates miss out on so many joocy passes/looks because they simply can't handle the ball.

Lebron stans doing what they do best. Trashing his teammates to prop up Lebron. Despite Lebron doing absolutely terrible leading the starting lineup, while Wade leads one of the best benches in the league.

[WrestlingFan123]

This is some straight fan fiction chit.

lol

James had 24/76 DFG (31,6%, 10,8 DFGA/G)

4th quarters or overtime in the Playoffs 2016: 87.3 DRTG in 155 Minutes, Without Him: 118.4 DRTG

Vs The Warriors, 4th quarters or overtime in the Playoffs 2016: 94.7 DRTG in 59 Min, Without Him: 110.9 DRTG

So A Playoff Defensive 4th Quarter +/- of +31.1 and VS Golden State's Offensive Juggernaut +16.2

For reference Their First Three Quarters of Defense with LeBron

Against All Teams 103.8 DRTG, Against GS 107.4 DRTG, That's of 16.5 and 12.7 PP100 lower.

Also, Golden State put up a +7.7 SRS through the entire playoffs. Prior to the Finals, they were at +9.1, and up through game 4 of the Finals they were at +9.8.

GS Offense with Lebron ON the floor: 105.2 ORTG (292.2 MP, 560 Poss)
GS Offense with Lebron OFF the floor: 130.6 ORTG (43.8 MP, 84 Poss)

[fleeceitout]

You just tried to call a team that lost 9 games in the playoffs & barely made it through the WCF “the greatest team of all time”.

Like I said, straight fan fiction chit.

FYI, TT had the best defensive rating & dws on the Cavs in that Finals.

Lol @ trying to give Lebron all the credit.

[tekkenbruh]

Lebron stans doing what they do best. Trashing his teammates to prop up Lebron. Despite Lebron doing absolutely terrible leading the starting lineup, while Wade leads one of the best benches in the league.

Have you seen Cavs starters as of late? Sans Love, neither of them can hit a shot to save their lives. Hell, there were instances were Crowder couldn't even catch a pass. Lebron plays sloppy but rest of the starters are doing even worse

[Sikhveins]

Lebron was / is smartest player on Cavs team in last years finals and currently. His team is full of lack luster defenders. mentally he knows how to break down the warriors system He just doesn’t have enough fire power to respond to KD/Steph/Thomp/Dray on both ends. Defensive stats will look bad when you carry on work load that matches KD’s offense and Draymond defense in 1 player

Where’s bird man or Joel Anthony Fuk it Cavs missing a true center. No one in the back line since TT’s disappearing act last finals getting out rebounded by curry.

[sooby]

ugly game to say the least, lebron is carrying this team but at the same time he isn't playing that great as well

[Iguodala]

The Cavs are playing like **** and are still in 3rd place in the East! I really don't see anybody that can challenge anyone other than Raptors- and they are still really bad with the three ball. Celtics- but they need another good scorer and maybe Bucks.


By the way Porzingas look like he is falling off again, they cant beat a kyrie less Celtics?

[Spill512]

Have you seen Cavs starters as of late? Sans Love, neither of them can hit a shot to save their lives. Hell, there were instances were Crowder couldn't even catch a pass. Lebron plays sloppy but rest of the starters are doing even worse

He was doing a terrible job even with Love.

And Bron's been shooting 29% from the three, averaging almost 5 turnovers per game, playing no defense, and completely failing to lead the starting lineup anywhere since December. Dude is looking real washed nowadays lowkey but everyone is too caught up in his empty stats to notice.

[jinda628]

That injury by Canaan is nasty!

[GodbeBryant]

The Cavs are playing like **** and are still in 3rd place in the East! I really don't see anybody that can challenge anyone other than Raptors- and they are still really bad with the three ball. Celtics- but they need another good scorer and maybe Bucks.


By the way Porzingas look like he is falling off again, they cant beat a kyrie less Celtics?

would love to see a cavs / bucks 1st round series

[IsLifeRealLife]

LMAOOOO the warriors plan to go after Lebron AND Anthony Davis this summer



Stephanies needs more help!!!!!

[Sikhveins]

https://instagram.com/p/BepI4Tyn2BJ/

[sooby]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...ax-salary-slot


lol @ if GSW actually having talks with lebron and lol if lebron actually entertains the actual thought of joining Golden State

sorry LA but at least bay area will get him!