Hi, I have a quick question for you guys. I'm just tweaking my diet cause i was cutting too much muscle with fat and I found myself asking should I include BCAA in my post-workout meal spreadsheet as protein or leave it out and just count the calories and protein from whey/dextrose?
Thanks for the help
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Thread: BCAA vs Whey question
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01-06-2018, 10:29 AM #1
BCAA vs Whey question
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01-06-2018, 10:33 AM #2
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01-06-2018, 10:33 AM #3
The body does not treat free form amino acids the same as whey. Given adequate protein intake you do not need supplemental amino acid ingestion. If you're cutting, shoot for 1g of protein per lb of body weight to make it easy. If you're not in a crazy deficit you shouldn't be losing much muscle.
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01-06-2018, 11:40 AM #4
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No point in taking aminos with your whey, you get enough from the protein.
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01-06-2018, 01:19 PM #5
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01-06-2018, 08:25 PM #9
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To answer your question about caloric content, Leucine and Isoleucine have approximately 6.5 calories per gram, while Valine has about 5.9 calories per gram.
And as mentioned, BCAA's are almost always a waste of money. Certainly so if you're having them with a protein-containing meal, which already has plenty of BCAA's. The only time I wouldn't object to someone consuming BCAA's is if they're on a diet and drinking it intra-workout during extended training sessions.
While you're at it, ditch the dextrose as well. Eat real food.
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01-06-2018, 08:26 PM #10
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01-06-2018, 09:17 PM #11
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01-07-2018, 12:33 AM #12
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01-07-2018, 12:53 PM #13
I mean that an egg has 6g of protein. A 100g chicken breast has 31g or protein. Etc. Not to mention they are all free of processed garbage found in a lot of whey protein. I am sure you have heard of protein spiking, ever hear of egg, yogurt, or chicken spiking? But thanks for chiming in Rob Halford.
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01-07-2018, 01:53 PM #14
What evil scary "processed garbage" are you referring to? Throwing out terms to sound smart is worse than just admitting you don't know what you're talking about. Whey has the highest BV, highest BCAA, close to the optimal EEA profile, increased GSH levels and immunity. It's "real" food and worth inclusion into the diet, be it for bbing/sports, or general health.
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01-07-2018, 03:37 PM #15
Protein spiking??? As in spiking a piece of meat with my fork? I HAVE heard about Amino Spiking....
I like chewing my food just as much as the next guy, but whey is definitely used throughout my day. Especially when I can’t possibly eat another egg or piece of chicken, but I’m short on my intake...Dad
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01-07-2018, 03:50 PM #16
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01-09-2018, 01:26 PM #18
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Yes, whey is a "real" food. However we both know he's referring to "whey protein supplements" which are unregulated products containing unknown quantities of ingredients, to which artificial flavors, colors, stabilizers, and other garbage are added for flavor, appearance, and shelf-life. So in that respect, I too advocate consumption of food that still looks like the plant or animal it came from over supplements. Even ON's "gold standard" contains "proprietary" artificial flavors that they don't have to provide, as well as artificial sweeteners and of course we can't forget our FD&C Red #40.
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01-09-2018, 02:36 PM #19
Errr what?
If you feel they're "garbage" easy to avoid if you don't want to ingest them by simply choosing whey products that don't contain them, and there's many to choose from out there. You can also by straight whey from a number of online vendors.
As i said, then find whey that's has none of those on there, which are not difficult to find. Life Extension, Jarrow, etc, make whey products with simple ingredients.BrinkZone, Where Bro-Science Got Rabies and Died!
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01-10-2018, 12:05 AM #20
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01-10-2018, 12:40 AM #21
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Nitrogen spiking, cheap fillers, inaccurate labels.
If I feel? It sounds as if you're implying that artificial ingredients are not garbage that you should be keeping to a minimum in your diet. Sure, there are times when whey supplements can be helpful, which is indeed why my go-to's are companies who supposedly (because who knows, some of them write whatever they want on the label) don't add any artificial ingredients. But the first priority should be to try to meet requirements with whole food whenever possible.
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01-10-2018, 06:49 AM #22
Then buy from companies that don't do that. Problems in labeling, etc happens with food too, like chicken sold as organic when it's not, etc, etc.
And with a good company, a non concern to me. Your mileage may differ. It's a rare thing I end up being the defender of supplement companies having spent few decades or so as consumer advocate exposing the BS of various supplement companies, but your over generalizations seems to have put me in that position.
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01-18-2018, 08:35 AM #23
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01-18-2018, 01:48 PM #24
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01-18-2018, 03:44 PM #25
People are missing the intended point of BCAA's. A protein shake will indeed have the amino acids found in BCAA's but if you are working out in a fasted state then BCAA's are a perfect way to replenish your body.
It's low in calories and gives your body the essential amino acids. If you're in a cut, it's a helpful tool. If not in a cut, then it is absolutely worthless.
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01-18-2018, 11:17 PM #26
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