lol, your very first sentence in this thread showed every participant that you either do not understand the word "literally" or "communism".
Then you went around (ironically after you just tried to give me a lesson on ad hominem) and started throwing around "commie bastards".
Your perspective is filled with exaggerated, fact-less based, name calling, misc e-stating bull****.
When I want to have an intelligent conversation with someone, I will make sure they are qualified for the position.
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12-09-2017, 01:21 PM #31I only read thread titles and my own posts.
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Sorry for perfect english; I have a degree.
“The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.“
PS: Don't eat poop, just don't let the idea of it stop you from living life to its fullest.
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12-09-2017, 01:21 PM #32
Why are you spouting talking points that don't mean anything. Global economy has nothing to do with UBI. If America today never traded again with another country, we would be able self-sustain without a hitch. How does giving individuals free handouts combat a "global economy".
Sounds like you finished watching a Bernie Sanders lecture. AHHH THE 1% AHHH THE 1% THEYRE THE REASON I HAVE A SMALL DIK AND CAN'T HAVE A 2 STORY HOUSE IN MANHATTAN. No, you not working as hard as them mixed in with some luck and timing is the reason why you're not the 1%. Quick redpill for you, you don't have to be the 1% to live a good life. There's a lot in between the 1% and welfare, but I don't expect you to realize that after years of liberal / communist indoctrination from the current school system.
Wake me up when a country running on socialism isn't eating dogs in the streets to survive while that 1% you blame for everything is even stronger and more corrupt and controlling than a capitalistic republic.
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12-09-2017, 01:24 PM #33
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12-09-2017, 01:24 PM #34
So what's the alternative? How do you replace 100 million jobs that will be evaporating in the years to come? Do you think if people "just work hard" those jobs will appear? How are you going to survive when your job is eliminated and you can't find another?
Again, go to any chit tier country with a huge wealth gap and you will find LOTS of people working brutally hard for a little rice and some drinking water. That's the path we're on.
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12-09-2017, 01:27 PM #35
I know I have not specifically said my perspective about communism yet. So to prevent your bull**** assertions (again, very weak, intellectually dishonest way of discussing), let me be clear.
Communism will not work. I do not advocate it what so ever. People have the right to their own political perspective, but this method is too flawed.
What we are discussing in this thread, is not communism. You guys are just throwing that word on it to downplay the perspective without actually arguing it.I only read thread titles and my own posts.
cVc (OIF/OEF): *Retired*
Sorry for perfect english; I have a degree.
“The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.“
PS: Don't eat poop, just don't let the idea of it stop you from living life to its fullest.
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12-09-2017, 01:29 PM #36
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12-09-2017, 01:30 PM #37
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12-09-2017, 01:31 PM #38
Adapt. Innovation and content creation can not be automated by machines at this point. 150 years ago 95% of people were farmers, today 2% of people work in agriculture because it has been automated with machines. People adapted. 90 years ago the majority of Americans worked in factories doing manufacturing. That is no longer true either. Some people will not be able to adapt, they need to be left to fail.
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12-09-2017, 01:32 PM #39
It is, like so many other social programs that exist today, in every modern developed country, regardless of regime type, a social program.
I only read thread titles and my own posts.
cVc (OIF/OEF): *Retired*
Sorry for perfect english; I have a degree.
“The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.“
PS: Don't eat poop, just don't let the idea of it stop you from living life to its fullest.
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12-09-2017, 01:32 PM #40
This is a typical argument strategy when you try to force someone into making a stupid decision or side with you (UBI) by making it so the only other option is for that person to come up with a solution on the spot.
No one in this thread has the answer to the concept of disappearing jobs. The United States is at the forefront of development as a civilization and is no where near this point of 100 million people needing new jobs. The US labor force is only approximately 150 million. 60% of jobs isn't going to vanish overnight.
Rushing to commit to an awful short-sided idea isn't how you fix a problem. Lucky for us we live in a capitalistic country where the free market has a tendency to correct things on its own and innovate when a problem arises unlike its socialist counterpart.
Also couple in mother nature to help shake things up a bit (massive earthquake, plague, world wars etc) and we'll eventually find an answer.
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12-09-2017, 01:33 PM #41
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12-09-2017, 01:36 PM #42
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12-09-2017, 01:36 PM #43I only read thread titles and my own posts.
cVc (OIF/OEF): *Retired*
Sorry for perfect english; I have a degree.
“The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood. Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.“
PS: Don't eat poop, just don't let the idea of it stop you from living life to its fullest.
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12-09-2017, 01:39 PM #44
This.
The idea of a basic income is a very 1st world country idea. The reason why we can just fuk around while pretending we're working 40 hours a week is partially due to technology, but still very dependent on us raping 3rd world countries by means of taking their resources and working their asses to the bone for pennies on the dollar. There is nothing free in life, someone is paying the price somewhere for your 2 day delivery from amazon.
Things are going to change very quickly though. Kids in villages in india and africa will have running water, solar power and cellphone coverage pretty soon. With automation happening in the 1st world and information technology educating the 3rd world, chit is gonno hit the fan in not too long. The outcome of the power struggles that are sure to ensue cannot be predicted with any socioeconomic model we have seen so far in my opinion.
I ain't too worried though cause it's not happening for another 40-50 years and I don't want any kids. May even be fun to be retired, eating some popcorn and watching the world burn.*** Dawn Patrol Crew ***
Rustle me = get repped
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12-09-2017, 01:39 PM #45
Also those countries where there is a huge wealth gap and are poorer with people working hard for rice, and bread lines half a mile long... those are socialist countries that already implemented a "universal basic income" stupid ideas like you're talking about. The freer the market, the more prosperous the country, it is a direct 1 to 1 correlation.
Countries in the blue have freer markets. Countries in the yellow/red are more regulated and centrally planned. The very dark ones (Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba) Already have a UBI.
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12-09-2017, 01:40 PM #46
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12-09-2017, 01:42 PM #47
Entitled attitude? Sure thing, bucko. You're the one gladly sucking the corporate d!ck and celebrating an exploitative financial system designed to keep the majority in borderline poverty so rich aceholes can sit on their hordes of cash like dragons. Fuk having empathy for people who are struggling! They're just not gaming the system right. Let's celebrate decades of wage stagnation!
Agree with this.
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12-09-2017, 01:43 PM #48
Waiting for the right answer to come != to doing nothing. Only fools makes bad decisions for the sake of making a decision. You act like tomorrow will be the end of humanity and a decision must be made now. Not surprised though, the left tends to treat everything as an existential crisis that must be addressed this second because they say its important.
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12-09-2017, 01:43 PM #49
Nobody is acting like that. Welfare has been a net negative. It has hurt our society as a whole. Why would we want even more of a bad thing?
That's like your doctor saying "you already have intestinal parasites so how about we add some heart worms too, I mean you already have parasites anyways"
Do you even see your logical inconsistencies? You admit that welfare hinders people, and you say UBI is "essentially the same thing" as welfare....yet it's supposed to magically not hinder people? U wot m8?Last edited by thorpowers; 12-09-2017 at 01:50 PM.
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12-09-2017, 01:49 PM #51
I bust my ass and make decent money, doesn't mean I agree with a system that threw everyone overboard before I was even born because I'm doing all right. I like working hard, I think it's a necessary component of being healthy physically and mentally. But decrying decades of wage stagnation isn't emotional, it's just logic. I'll put a bit of emotion into my neg for you though.
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12-09-2017, 01:51 PM #52
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12-09-2017, 01:52 PM #53
The system that fuked you was the welfare state and left wing policies. Before the welfare state the average man could afford a house, car, wife, and kids working one job that he enjoyed working 40 hours a week. I agree with you the current system is fuked, but it's not because of too much economic freedom, its the opposite.
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12-09-2017, 01:52 PM #54
And welfare wouldn't be necessary if wages didn't stagnate for decades. I don't look at this as left vs. right. At this point the left is annoying me for the sole reason they're focusing on petty non-issues like weaponized ID politics rather than acknowledge the financial fist-fukking we're all expected to endure so our overlords can collect government checks well past their time in office and horde wealth.
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12-09-2017, 01:56 PM #55
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12-09-2017, 01:57 PM #56
The current welfare system hinders people is what I obviously meant.
You talk about logic a lot but you're the one acting like an SJW defending ridiculous points ITT.
We get it, you're an emotionless capitalist who believes in survival of the fittest, good for you, I hope that makes you feel alpha af. This is just not a realistic option. We need to figure out the best way to help people or at least not trap them in poverty which the current system has done for decades.
Absolutely no welfare would obviously weed out the weak and incompetent over time but as I said, this is not a realistic solution and never will be.
I would support a UBI that covers the bare minimum of what a person needs to survive. Nobody wants to give people enough money to live a life of leisure on someone else's dime.
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12-09-2017, 01:57 PM #57
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12-09-2017, 01:58 PM #58
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12-09-2017, 02:02 PM #60
But it literally is not.
UBI operates under the assumption that welfare dependency is predominant AND long lasting.
If you look at public data, this is just not the case.
Most recipients of public aid are able to abandon aid in a few short years and welfare dependency fluctuates between 3-5% of the population.
I am no economist, I watched the video and it seems quite watered down.
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