Jose Zarate found NOT GUILTY of murder of Kate Steinle...in CA

[thugonomics]

Anyone have any actual info on this case?

Let's be real here, every time a cop is found not guilty thats argued as end of the conversation, but here, because an immigrant is found not guilty, it's debased and disregarded.

Is there something someone here knows that the jury/ judge didn't know that demonstrates he should have been found guilty?

Also, inb4 Trump weighs in skewering any possible successful appeal by the state

Knew you and your idiocy would appear and bring Trump into this. No American cares what some Canadian cuck thinks.

How can someone legit kill someone with a STOLEN gun and not even get MANSLAUGHTER. Straight NOT GUILTY. Unfathomable.

[7rmr]

He admitted to killing her...by accident...aiming for a seal...with a gun he wasn't supposed to have...in a country he wasn't supposed to be in...

And now what he walks free? WTF jury couldn't even give him manslaughter?

Probably depends on the charges brought by the state. Sometimes the state will only bring the murder charge to force the juries hand and prevent them from shifting down to the lower charge.

Also, accidental discharge still wouldn't be manslaughter.

If the defense actually demonstrated accidental discharge it's likely (not certain, but likely) they demonstrated a convincing case.

[tank2003]

illegal immigrant deported 5 times gets a gun in california, fires it, kills innocent woman, gets off in california that is pro illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities

Dont forget in CA:

-You can face harsher penalties for using the wrong gendered pronouns than intentionally infecting someone with HIV
-Laws were revised to reduce the punishment for (repeat) violent gun offenders

Fuk it...lets beg Testi to run for governer and whip that liberal **** hole into shape

[2thTEE82]

This thread is another travesty of justice

This thread would've been great if it was a thread about the transvestite named Justin.

[7rmr]

Knew you and your idiocy would appear and bring Trump into this. No American cares what some Canadian cuck thinks.

How can someone legit kill someone with a STOLEN gun and not even get MANSLAUGHTER. Straight NOT GUILTY. Unfathomable.

Um, multiple posts above brought Trump into this. Maybe you should read the posts in this thread.

Also, please articulate your belief as to how legitimate accidental discharge would meet the legal requirements for manslaughter in California.

(Only referencing accidental discharge based on posts above would be curious to hear more)

[SlothLord]

Probably depends on the charges brought by the state. Sometimes the state will only bring the murder charge to force the juries hand and prevent them from shifting down to the lower charge.

Also, accidental discharge still wouldn't be manslaughter.

If the defense actually demonstrated accidental discharge it's likely (not certain, but likely) they demonstrated a convincing case.

fukc off back to Iglooland. You admit to not knowing anything about the case and now you're lecturing everyone like you're a fukcing legal expert.

[Ted Nugent]

i abslutely fuking hate liberals and violent illegal scum

plz Santa bring us another 1776

[441Forty]

Probably depends on the charges brought by the state. Sometimes the state will only bring the murder charge to force the juries hand and prevent them from shifting down to the lower charge.

Also, accidental discharge still wouldn't be manslaughter.

If the defense actually demonstrated accidental discharge it's likely (not certain, but likely) they demonstrated a convincing case.

California fukd up, but they were being political. It’s been considered likely he wouldn’t go down for murder for a while now

But a charge of manslaughter, or at the very least involuntary manslaughter, should have been a slam dunk. What you said about an accidental discharge is not true. Besides, he was on record saying he was aiming at a seal

All things considered, the actions of a guy deported 5 times resulted in a lost American life and he’s walking free

[7rmr]

fukc off back to Iglooland. You admit to not knowing anything about the case and now you're lecturing everyone like you're a fukcing legal expert.

What I do know is that the moment I saw he was found not guilty I knew the misc would lose it's **** with no appreciation of why.

This is the perfect example of justice only is judged by outcome.

[Tickyouup]

Not even CNN could make this guy sound innocent, wtffffff dude is guilty as hell

[Ted Nugent]

What I do know is that the moment I saw he was found not guilty I knew the misc would lose it's **** with no appreciation of why.

This is the perfect example of justice only is judged by outcome.

this is a perfect example of a groveling cuck celebrating in some max level Calicuckery

[7rmr]

California fukd up, but they were being political. It’s been considered likely he wouldn’t go down for murder for a while now

But a charge of manslaughter, or at the very least involuntary manslaughter, should have been a slam dunk. What you said about an accidental discharge is not true

All things considered, the actions of a guy deported 5 times resulted in a lost American life and he’s walking free

This is a perfect example of the incorrect approach to this issue.

How many times you are deported has no relevance for whether you did in fact commit a specific crime. What determines whether you committed a crime is whether you meet the factual/legal requirements for the crime.

This should be obvious.

[veggie530]

http://www.foxnews.com/

http://www.cnn.com

So essentially, nobody contends with the fact that he killed her -- just whether it was accidental or intentional.

Still a felon, still possessing a firearm, still had been deported 5x before killing an innocent woman.

Hang him.

[7rmr]

this is a perfect example of a groveling cuck celebrating in some max level Calicuckery

Brb should be guilty because he was an illegal immigrant. That's been this entire thread so far.

[Ted Nugent]

Hang him.

das it

[SlothLord]

Brb should be guilty because he was an illegal immigrant. That's been this entire thread so far.

holy chit you're beyond pathetic.
I bet if you came home and found Jose Zarate in bed with your wife, you'd watch from the corner while fingering your butthole.

[SrsnotSrs1]

This is a perfect example of the incorrect approach to this issue.

How many times you are deported has no relevance for whether you did in fact commit a specific crime. What determines whether you committed a crime is whether you meet the factual/legal requirements for the crime.

This should be obvious.

fk off. You wouldn't be spouting your meaningless bullchit if that was your daughter/wife/sister. Stay in Canada y'all have your own problems, fkn cucks

[thugonomics]

Brb should be guilty because he was an illegal immigrant. That's been this entire thread so far.

Jose Zarate was in jail in Victorville. The courts in San Francisco went out of their way to deal with an inmate in Victorville and helped him get out of his sentence and set him free.

3 months later Zarate killed Kate Steinle. That should be all you need to know that this is an entirely political decision.

Disgusting.

[Postmort3m]

Brb should be guilty because he was an illegal immigrant. That's been this entire thread so far.

No idiot- he should be guilty because he was here illegally, fired a gun illegally and the result of that is someone is dead.

[441Forty]

This is a perfect example of the incorrect approach to this issue.

How many times you are deported has no relevance for whether you did in fact commit a specific crime. What determines whether you committed a crime is whether you meet the factual/legal requirements for the crime.

This should be obvious.

When did I say he should have been charged with murder?

The point is he should have never been here in the first place had federal law been abided by. The idea of sanctuary cities encompasses more than this case alone. That should be obvious

Manslaughter all day but California didn’t want that

Oh well, Trump 2020. We’re just getting started boyo

[straightflexing]

what a joke, the jury was full of 18-40 year old liberals from the bay area...

[whitepaper]

I didn't follow this too closely, but didn't the bullet ricochet off the ground? That alone would mean it wasn't intentional. Perhaps a manslaughter issue in this case.

But unless this is a case of illegal immigration, and not to figure out if he should be guilty of murder or manslaughter, I don't know why this factors into the discussion? It seems like this is an idiotic point to discuss, and likely detracted from the outcome. If it didn't factor into the discussion, I'm sure manslaughter may have been more likely.


I guess people are idiots and will let biases get in the way.


Inb4 if he wasn't there, it wouldn't have happened. I hope you realise that this doesn't address any underlying issues, and simply speaks to this particular and exact situation and absolutely nothing else. The discussion becomes moot when you try to apply this logic on a broad spectrum. A positive situation can very easily be made as a counter argument of this "case by case" logic.

[7rmr]

No idiot- he should be guilty because he was here illegally, fired a gun illegally and the result of that is someone is dead.

Yeah, so clearly being in the US legally/illegally has no bearing on whether you committed murder.


Thanks for proving my point.

If this person was a legal citizen people in here wouldnt be losing their ****.

People in a country illegally should be deported. But you are a special kind of stupid if you think their immigration status has any impact on whether they committed a crime or not.

[Postmort3m]

Yeah, so clearly being in the US legally/illegally has no bearing on whether you committed murder.


Thanks for proving my point.

If this person was a legal citizen people in here wouldnt be losing their ****.

People in a country illegally should be deported. But you are a special kind of stupid if you think their immigration status has any impact on whether they committed a crime or not.

His immigration status has much to do with his being able to legally touch a firearm, much less discharge one that results in someone being killed.

His repeated deportations and illegally reentering this country show his complete lack respect for law.

[mynameisuntz]

I didn't follow this too closely, but didn't the bullet ricochet off the ground? That alone would mean it wasn't intentional. Perhaps a manslaughter issue in this case.

But unless this is a case of illegal immigration, and not to figure out if he should be guilty of murder or manslaughter, I don't know why this factors into the discussion? It seems like this is an idiotic point to discuss, and likely detracted from the outcome. If it didn't factor into the discussion, I'm sure manslaughter may have been more likely.


I guess people are idiots and will let biases get in the way.


Inb4 if he wasn't there, it wouldn't have happened. I hope you realise that this doesn't address any underlying issues, and simply speaks to this particular and exact situation and absolutely nothing else. The discussion becomes moot when you try to apply this logic on a broad spectrum. A positive situation can very easily be made as a counter argument of this "case by case" logic.

Apparently the jury actually could have charged manslaughter instead of a murder conviction, yet still didn't.

[DolphinPilot]

Awwright looks like Trump will get a 2nd term. Good for him.

[stardewvalley]

I think there is some significant confusion in this thread.

The guy was a 6 time felon, got caught in SF and should have been deported. Due to sanctuary status, he did not get deported and was let free.

The above is reasonable to be upset with.

The accident itself, by the structure of the law, was not proven to be involuntary manslaughter and therefore by legal default must be an accident.

The prosecution blew its load and could not prove that the bullet that hit Steinle coming from the gun that was under felonious possession of Zarate was either a result of:

1. an unlawful act

OR

2. a lawful act with great risk of injury or death.

If you can't prove those things to the degree beyond reasonable doubt then you can't convict.

Not sure why you guys are mad about that, it's quite evident that there are many scenarios where those things just can't be proven. The defense must have been solid and the prosecution was turd.

I don't know the specifics of the case because they have not been released but why y'all mad about the acquittal when it literally could happen to anyone?

[lupus002]

Disgusting. The pendulum has swung WAY too far. Absolutely ****ing disgusting...

[SannaBarBrah]

[Doomster23]

Inb4 the Donald (PBUH) aka Mr President (PBUH).