BREAKING: Trump makes deal with Carrier regarding factory jobs in America

[DeshaunWatson]

Too much winning.

[SaviorSix]

Like save jobs. The nerve of that bastard!

I guess you're officially a center-left liberal now. Congrats! At least conservatism is dying.

Cutting taxes and regulations are now "subsidies" and "big government"? God damn libs really are clueless.

Yes, you simpleton. The tax burden will shift to someone else. That is a subsidy. That is the government picking and choosing which businesses succeed and which ones fail.

[Bushmaster]

I guess you're officially a center-left liberal now. Congrats! At least conservatism is dying.

Shut up retard. All you *******s are beyond pathetic with your constant sniveling.

[SaviorSix]

Shut up retard. All you *******s are beyond pathetic with your constant sniveling.

Aaaaand it's confirmed. You have no idea what you're talking about. That was fast buddy! I'm surprised you only made it one comment in before throwing a lil tantrum. Maybe next time we'll try 2!

[BFast55]

Yes, you simpleton. The tax burden will shift to someone else. That is a subsidy. That is the government picking and choosing which businesses succeed and which ones fail.

So allowing people or entities to keep a little more of their earned money is now the same as the gov't granting extra money to it? Please explain.

[Bushmaster]

Aaaaand it's confirmed. You have no idea what you're talking about. That was fast buddy! I'm surprised you only made it one comment in before throwing a lil tantrum. Maybe next time we'll try 2!

[Procta]

and he is not even sworn in yet

[nutsy54]

It's amazing what you can do with taxpayer subsidies (i.e. big government) !

Exactly what "taxpayer subsidies" did someone, who's not even in office yet, use?

It's amazing that so many haters in this thread are now opposed to Americans having jobs in America

[Ironsmith29]

You are taking what I said way out of context. These jobs need to move now based on free market principles. In the future either another country will industrialize (maybe India), or they will be automated and safer.

Maybe I should have worded it differently, but I'm all for the free market. Basically, the free market should dictate where they go.

Lol, a lib trying to explain free market principles while he posts on a forum from an internet cafe using dat dere welfare money

[Iceman1800]

Holy f*ck! The sun rose this morning! Trumpers will hail King Trump for making that happen also.

[Ironsmith29]

Lol I love the negativity from the press and libs. They so badly want to hate this.

Long term the economy needs to see structural change to see manufacturing come back. A combination of lower taxes and tariffs will do the trick

[Iceman1800]

Obama helps to negotiate saving the US auto industry and millions of jobs is bad.
Trump helping to negotiate to save 1,000 jobs is good.
Gotcha

[Bushmaster]

Obama helps to negotiate saving the US auto industry and millions of jobs is bad.

Link to that?

Saving jobs is actually a good thing and I don't remember anybody criticizing him for it.

And "millions" of jobs though? Really?

[Procta]

the stimulus bailout was a disaster
$800+ billion not well spent

[Iceman1800]

Link to that?

Saving jobs is actually a good thing and I don't remember anybody criticizing him for it.

And "millions" of jobs though? Really?

Link to my job? Plus all the suppliers, their suppliers, local businesses. ....there's a reason evendors Toyota wanted the Big 3 to be rescued.

[Bushmaster]

Link to my job? Plus all the suppliers, their suppliers, local businesses. ....there's a reason evendors Toyota wanted the Big 3 to be rescued.

No, a link to people saying jobs saved was a bad thing. You know what I meant.

[nutsy54]

Link to my job? Plus all the suppliers, their suppliers, local businesses. ....there's a reason evendors Toyota wanted the Big 3 to be rescued.

No... Link to support your claim of "Obama helps to negotiate saving the US auto industry and millions of jobs is bad."
- How/when did Obama help to negotiate saving the US auto industry?
- How did that save millions of jobs? (How does an entire industry just cease to exist, without anyone else picking up the required capacity?)
- Who said saving jobs would be bad?

And if saving American jobs(D) is good, then why the uproar over saving American jobs(R)...?

[Forty0zFreedom]

I guess you're officially a center-left liberal now. Congrats! At least conservatism is dying.

You leftists really don't understand the concept of not being 100% beholden to a cultish ideology. Nobody cares if something that's gonna help people and the country is "center-left". We're not like you where we'll fight to the death to ensure only a particular worldview is forced on everyone else, despite results.

[residesinAZ]

Cutting taxes and regulations are now "subsidies" and "big government"? God damn libs really are clueless.

The same people that see spending less than anticipated as a surplus while being deep in debt.

[Iceman1800]

No, a link to people saying jobs saved was a bad thing. You know what I meant.

Srs? People were bashing Obama non stop over "their" tax dollars used on the bailouts. This isn't news. I'm just pointing out that all those jobs saved were taxpayer jobs.

[BFast55]

Obama helps to negotiate saving the US auto industry and millions of jobs is bad.
Trump helping to negotiate to save 1,000 jobs is good.
Gotcha

He bailed them out with other people's money. Not exactly the same thing.

[BFast55]

yall remember that maggot shills vbsurfer85 and noliberals4? hehe )

Strong 1st post?

[engj]

ITT: people who have never worked in a factory saying they are low wage job.

I am in engineering and work for a small (<600 total employess) manufacturer in WNY. We actually hurt for unskilled and consistent labor yet pay very well and offer great benefits (Great health ins, 401k, paid vacation, profit sharing) as well as an 18$/hour STARTING wage. The issue is that folks my age (27) and younger do not want to actually work these jobs, they believe they are entitled to easier jobs and scoff at actually working.

The problem isn't lack of well paying jobs, the problem is the lack of good, consistent labor to work them. If I was in charge of hiring here, I would hire a boomer or gen x'er over a millennial any day for a factory job.

We are in the same boat up here. We have consistent openings for long term employment in the ($20-$25 range to start) with full benefits. With average overtime and a couple years experience these guys are making $70k+ which is a comfortable living in most of Canada.

The problem is we expect people to show up and work for 8-10 hrs, and expect people to start in lower positions so they can effectively learn the business. We have projects we have turned down because we aren't able to staff them.

[TsarChasm]

Manufacturing is no longer the backbone of this nation. Get over it. I really wish politicians would realize this. But you have to pander to win so it it understandable.

You act like all of those jobs were low wage assembly positions. But who was project managers, engineers, etc.

[holtmcg]

You act like all of those jobs were low wage assembly positions. But who was project managers, engineers, etc.

Those are few and far between. 99.9% of manufacturing jobs are low skill and low wage work. (And I mean LOW)

[TsarChasm]

Those are few and far between. 99.9% of manufacturing jobs are low skill and low wage work. (And I mean LOW)

I understand that. There is always going to be a low skill/educated population of the country. Low wage labor is needed. Would you rather these people live off of 100% govt assistance or contribute?

Of course I definitely believe that we should adjust the wages to cost of living increases seeing that the strength of the dollar has significantly decreased since manufacturings heyday.

The difference between then and now is that the dollar was strong enough that even these low wage workers making minimum wage in the 60s was equivalent to $12 an hour. House on average were also roughly $80,000 in todays money and cars were $10k.

Your dollar went a lot further.

[nutsy54]

Those are few and far between. 99.9% of manufacturing jobs are low skill and low wage work. (And I mean LOW)

Just like Rouge, posting crap with no basis in reality.

Meanwhile some facts:
- US average hourly wage is $22
- Average wage at the Carrier plant under discussion is $23

Go back to trolling the Sports Misc

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/wages
http://www.ibj.com/articles/57162-ca...in-mexico-move

[Iceman1800]

He bailed them out with other people's money. Not exactly the same thing.

Loans that were paid back. I will concede that bond holders got screwed in the deal. That was supposed to be an almost sacred type of investment.

[holtmcg]

Just like Rouge, posting crap with no basis in reality.

Meanwhile some facts:
- US average hourly wage is $22
- Average wage at the Carrier plant under discussion is $23

Go back to trolling the Sports Misc

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/wages
http://www.ibj.com/articles/57162-ca...in-mexico-move

Low wage and low skill positions kill, and I mean KILL our nation's economy. These positions do just that.

[holtmcg]

I understand that. There is always going to be a low skill/educated population of the country. Low wage labor is needed. Would you rather these people live off of 100% govt assistance or contribute?

I would much, and I mean MUCH rather them "contribute" (which they really don't because low skill, low wage positions kill, and I mean KILL our nation's economy) than live off government assistance.