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    Hey,

    I'm finishing up my cut after having reached my goal weight/physique (5'10, 160 pounds). I would say I am relatively lean and at or below 15% body fat. Regardless, I have been cutting for far too long and need to add muscle to my frame.
    I currently eat 1800-1900 calories and lose roughly 1.5-2 pounds a week. If I want to start a clean bulk (e.g. gaining as little body fat as possible while putting on muscle) where would I start and how much weight gain should I allow a week to ensure it's mostly muscle and not fat.
    I am a novice lifter and I have read that you can only really gain 2 pounds of muscle a month. Does that mean I want to be gaining roughly 3 pounds of body weight a month? So eat at like a 300 calorie surplus (which idk if I'm right, but would that be 2500 calories for me?).

    Let me know if I am heading in the right direction and have the right idea, thanks.
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    Reverse diet and add 200 calories or so per week until gaining 2 pounds or so per month. Also follow a proven routine.

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    Why do you suggest reverse cutting as opposed to simply jumping to an estimated caloric intake that would net me 2 months of weight gain a month.
    Also, if a person can gain 2 pounds of muscle, shouldn't I be trying to gain more than 2 pounds a month. If everything was perfect, I would put on pure 2 pounds of muscle. But I'm not perfect, so if I gain 2 pounds won't only 1 of it be muscle? Therefore, wouldn't I want be gaining 4 pounds a month to ensure I try and hit those 2 pounds of muscle?

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    Originally Posted by Zevias View Post
    Why do you suggest reverse cutting as opposed to simply jumping to an estimated caloric intake that would net me 2 months of weight gain a month.
    Also, if a person can gain 2 pounds of muscle, shouldn't I be trying to gain more than 2 pounds a month. If everything was perfect, I would put on pure 2 pounds of muscle. But I'm not perfect, so if I gain 2 pounds won't only 1 of it be muscle? Therefore, wouldn't I want be gaining 4 pounds a month to ensure I try and hit those 2 pounds of muscle?

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    I don't think reverse dieting is necessary in your case. If you weren't tracking your weight loss each week, then I think reverse dieting would be beneficial. If you're accurate with your 1.5-2lbs of weight loss a month, that would mean you're in a 750-1000 calorie a day deficit. So, if you're eating at 1800 calores, you're maintenance would be around 2500-2800. If you're on a proven weight training program, I'd shoot for 2-3 lbs a month of weight gain which is roughly a 300 calorie surplus.

    Once you're done with your cut, I'd stay at maintenance for a week or two so your body adapts to the increased calories. Once you have maintained a weight and know if you're at maintenance, bump your calories 300 and monitor weight.
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    Originally Posted by Zevias View Post
    Why do you suggest reverse cutting as opposed to simply jumping to an estimated caloric intake that would net me 2 months of weight gain a month.
    Also, if a person can gain 2 pounds of muscle, shouldn't I be trying to gain more than 2 pounds a month. If everything was perfect, I would put on pure 2 pounds of muscle. But I'm not perfect, so if I gain 2 pounds won't only 1 of it be muscle? Therefore, wouldn't I want be gaining 4 pounds a month to ensure I try and hit those 2 pounds of muscle?

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    It makes less of a water weight spike, which can make it easier to find actual rate of gain; but it is personal preference.

    Gaining 4 pounds would lead to more fat than needed, 2 pounds would allow for a longer and leaner bulk.
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    If you intend to gain 3lb per month that is 18lbs in 6 months - you'll just get fat. Even 2lbs a month would be exessive. Aim for 1lb a month and do a nice clean solid bulk for 8-10 months and even if you go slightly over 1lb it should only be 10-12lbs of weight gain.
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    your answer depends completely on how much fat your willing to gain in your buik.
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    Originally Posted by Zevias View Post
    Also, if a person can gain 2 pounds of muscle, shouldn't I be trying to gain more than 2 pounds a month. If everything was perfect, I would put on pure 2 pounds of muscle. But I'm not perfect, so if I gain 2 pounds won't only 1 of it be muscle? Therefore, wouldn't I want be gaining 4 pounds a month to ensure I try and hit those 2 pounds of muscle?
    There is a limit to muscle growth (roughly 2lbs/month for newbies) anything above that simply leads to more fat gain as you can't force growth. If you are a beginner then 3lbs should be the maximum rate of gain and preferably more around the 2lbs range.
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    Originally Posted by Tyler2106 View Post
    I don't think reverse dieting is necessary in your case. If you weren't tracking your weight loss each week, then I think reverse dieting would be beneficial. If you're accurate with your 1.5-2lbs of weight loss a month, that would mean you're in a 750-1000 calorie a day deficit. So, if you're eating at 1800 calores, you're maintenance would be around 2500-2800. If you're on a proven weight training program, I'd shoot for 2-3 lbs a month of weight gain which is roughly a 300 calorie surplus.

    Once you're done with your cut, I'd stay at maintenance for a week or two so your body adapts to the increased calories. Once you have maintained a weight and know if you're at maintenance, bump your calories 300 and monitor weight.
    It main seem stupid, but I just realized two pounds a month is actually 7000 calories burned/foregone a week. Here I am thinking I am eating in strictly a 500 calorie deficit. I find it hard to believe my maintenance is so high and it would mean I'd need to eat around 2800 calories to gain two pounds a month. That just seems excessive and I don't see how I can eat that much food.

    Originally Posted by gbullock32 View Post
    It makes less of a water weight spike, which can make it easier to find actual rate of gain; but it is personal preference.

    Gaining 4 pounds would lead to more fat than needed, 2 pounds would allow for a longer and leaner bulk.
    Would reverse dieting allow me to adjust to eating so mcuh food? I feel like I have been cutting for so long that I 'forgot' how to eat high calories.


    Also, a .5 gain a week would be roughly a 250 surplus correct?

    Again, thanks guys. I am really excited to start my first bulk and really see my lifts and strength go up. Just want to do this right.
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    Yes, it could allow you to build back to a more volumous intake more comfortably, or you could just eat more calorie dense foods. ~250 surplus for .5 pounds per week, yes.
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    Originally Posted by gbullock32 View Post
    Yes, it could allow you to build back to a more volumous intake more comfortably, or you could just eat more calorie dense foods. ~250 surplus for .5 pounds per week, yes.
    And it'sn true if I am losing 2 pounds a week that means I am eating in a 1000 calorie deficit? My maintenance is really 2800? That seems so high
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    Originally Posted by Zevias View Post
    And it'sn true if I am losing 2 pounds a week that means I am eating in a 1000 calorie deficit? My maintenance is really 2800? That seems so high
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