Hope Prime Cleans Up

[VaughnTrue]

Which products does hi-tech not produce for blackstone?

Only ones I can say with 100% certainty are the PH's due to the patents, beyond that would merely be speculation which I try to stay away from.

[JohnTheHonest]

Saw one video with PJ, not that I'd judge him, but he seems like full of ****, ok Im judging.

[kissdadookie]

I find it funny both the OP and Rawb had previously gotten angushurt over my questioning the quality. Now they're in line with pitch forks and torches.


:3

I'm not out with pitch forks and torches. I still use BSL and am happy with their products. I also have a RedCon1 order arriving tomorrow.

Here's the thing, folks like to point a finger at me and go "tl;dr lolololololol" but I call it as it is. Plain and simple. Cooper accused me of having a horse in the race back a long while ago when I said I didn't. I basically have no horse or horses in any race or races. I've never even been inside a casino.

[carguy123]

Damn the breakdown that Rob quoted paints a whole different picture. What a freakin mess

[Misctake7]

Damn the breakdown that Rob quoted paints a whole different picture. What a freakin mess

Hard to pick a side and at this point, too much hear say to pick a certain side. The most important thing at this point is Prime was/is under-dosing products. So they are essentially now unreliable and untrustworthy. One or both of the owners had to approve or know about it while it was happening, so it's a wait and see approach to form our own opinion of which.

I've taken BSL, Prime, and now Redcon1 supplements. I'm happy with the ones I've used in the past and if I ever felt they weren't right or working for me, I'd stop using them(hence why I moved on from Phytoform to a better well rounded greens supp). Currently the supps I have are BSL Formula 15(carb, post workout supp which I've enjoyed so far), Redcon1's intra carb and protein(yet to try). If I don't like any, I'll simply stop use.

[TMac26]

The issue arises when you think the product is working for you, and you continue to buy it, only to be snowed over the whole time.

[Misctake7]

The issue arises when you think the product is working for you, and you continue to buy it, only to be snowed over the whole time.

Know your body and be super observant. That's why I won't go back to Phytoform. The way my body responded to that vs a greens protein that's not a prop blend with a great profile. Easy to notice that difference. Intra workout carbs should be pretty easy to judge as well just after a few sessions. Protein is one that I can only judge based on how my body digests it, so obviously couldn't tell if it's spiked without some kind of tests.

[carguy123]

Hard to pick a side and at this point, too much hear say to pick a certain side. The most important thing at this point is Prime was/is under-dosing products. So they are essentially now unreliable and untrustworthy. One or both of the owners had to approve or know about it while it was happening, so it's a wait and see approach to form our own opinion of which.

I've taken BSL, Prime, and now Redcon1 supplements. I'm happy with the ones I've used in the past and if I ever felt they weren't right or working for me, I'd stop using them(hence why I moved on from Phytoform to a better well rounded greens supp). Currently the supps I have are BSL Formula 15(carb, post workout supp which I've enjoyed so far), Redcon1's intra carb and protein(yet to try). If I don't like any, I'll simply stop use.

Im just gonna sit back here and enjoy the show and wait for the Dust to settle ( yes pun intended )

[fretslayer]

Wow, yet another supp company under dosing. Fortunately I don't use any of their stuff. John has always struck me as a stand up guy, so I'd be more inclined to believe his side of things. Either way, pretty grim to see yet another big name in the game pulling shady moves like this. Just makes me that much more likely to stick to food.

[TMac26]

Know your body and be super observant. That's why I won't go back to Phytoform. The way my body responded to that vs a greens protein that's not a prop blend with a great profile. Easy to notice that difference. Intra workout carbs should be pretty easy to judge as well just after a few sessions. Protein is one that I can only judge based on how my body digests it, so obviously couldn't tell if it's spiked without some kind of tests.

I meant with Teacrine and GMS. If you have a pump and focus, you think both are working. In reality they are in there, but not the amounts as advertised.

[kissdadookie]

I meant with Teacrine and GMS. If you have a pump and focus, you think both are working. In reality they are in there, but not the amounts as advertised.

Don't get much of anything from using teacrine so that would be a wash :P I've had it in a variety of products from a variety of different companies.

[Anthony21]

Posted by PJ Braun on ******** and linked from his ig

Screenshots are on his ********

I got a good laugh at his "proof" he posted. He posted some vague email from Aaron trying to make it look like he knew Intra MD was under dosed with only 20mg of Teacrine but said to just put 50mg on the label. Again this email is beyond vague and isn't clear exactly on what Aaron even meant.

Then he tries to make it look like John is black mailing him for money when it's clear John is wanting to get paid for his contributions to Prime since he wasn't.

All in all it makes this Jersey Shore reject look even worse and shows he was aware of the under dosing/ingredients not included since he was part of the email chain.

[robert5891]

Don't get much of anything from using teacrine so that would be a wash :P I've had it in a variety of products from a variety of different companies.

Agreed on the theacrine....never seen much difference in pre workouts that have it vs other ones of similar caffeine content that don't.

[Manowar11]

I got a good laugh at his "proof" he posted. He posted some vague email from Aaron trying to make it look like he knew Intra MD was under dosed with only 20mg of Teacrine but said to just put 50mg on the label. Again this email is beyond vague and isn't clear exactly on what Aaron even meant.

Then he tries to make it look like John is black mailing him for money when it's clear John is wanting to get paid for his contributions to Prime since he wasn't.

All in all it makes this Jersey Shore reject look even worse and shows he was aware of the under dosing/ingredients not included since he was part of the email chain.

From what I understand John created the formula, Aaron was being a cheap bastard and ordered for it to be grossly underdosed to make more money, then threatened to leak everything if he wasn't paid 100 grand.
PJ apparently knew what was going on as well, so he is not innocent, though he claims to be.
It for sure makes you wonder how many other companies are mislabeling their products just to make a quick buck.

[TMac26]

I got a good laugh at his "proof" he posted. He posted some vague email from Aaron trying to make it look like he knew Intra MD was under dosed with only 20mg of Teacrine but said to just put 50mg on the label. Again this email is beyond vague and isn't clear exactly on what Aaron even meant.

Then he tries to make it look like John is black mailing him for money when it's clear John is wanting to get paid for his contributions to Prime since he wasn't.

All in all it makes this Jersey Shore reject look even worse and shows he was aware of the under dosing/ingredients not included since he was part of the email chain.

Pretty much this.


And the email in no way states that Aaron approved underdosing. It merely says "The document they recieved says 20 mg, is that correct?" and Aaron thinking it was probably an error on paper, told them it needs to be 50 mg.


But PJ expects us to be as dumb as a primitive ape and that means he said "yea, underdose it"


Edit: The "blackmail letter" literally is John hiring a lawyer demanding what is owed to him. I don't see how that is him asking for hush money. ****ing people are delusional. I feel bad for John, but this is what happens when you get in bed with the Devil.

[adamci1]

confirmed: Jared Wheat (Hi-Tech) now has a controlling interest in Prime...

https://blog.priceplow.com/industry-...ed-jared-wheat

[VaughnTrue]

confirmed: Jared Wheat (Hi-Tech) now has a controlling interest in Prime...

https://blog.priceplow.com/industry-...ed-jared-wheat

dang...i hate being the last to hear this stuff




me IRL... LOL








good news is that underdosing will no longer be an issue with Jared at the helm.

[kbayne]

confirmed: Jared Wheat (Hi-Tech) now has a controlling interest in Prime...

https://blog.priceplow.com/industry-...ed-jared-wheat

Called it

[carguy123]

dang...i hate being the last to hear this stuff




me IRL... LOL








good news is that underdosing will no longer be an issue with Jared at the helm.

Lol time to add company line to your signature VT

[kissdadookie]

Called it

:: clap clap clap ::

[BenBlue]

Idk if it's 100% correct but it still gives me a huge boost of energy and more focus than any other DMAA supp.

Keep in mind who primarily makes Blackstone Labs products mostly Hi-Tech

I can only say from my own experience Dust Extreme and all past versions of Angel Dust/Dust V2 which I have all of lol have been great.

Seen this posted on RX



Which was also said on here but just pointing it out



Agreed it is a great pre workout, and at least from that standpoint it is king.

TMAC mentioned in another thread that he doesn't trust BSL, and i had no idea why. This news kinda sucks cause I was really enjoying Dust Extreme. I also think it hits harder then any other DMAA pre on the market, and i've had some great lifts on it. Even if it packs a punch, I don't want to be told i'm getting active ingredients that i'm not. Would like to see a 3rd party test.

[BenBlue]

Idk if it's 100% correct but it still gives me a huge boost of energy and more focus than any other DMAA supp.

Don't get much of anything from using teacrine so that would be a wash :P I've had it in a variety of products from a variety of different companies.

May be the dosages. Not too many products w good teacrine dosing from what i've seen. I bought some in bulk to test it out, and dosing a little higher then i've seen in products gives me a nice hit of energy.

[AMeyer9]

May be the dosages. Not too many products w good teacrine dosing from what i've seen. I bought some in bulk to test it out, and dosing a little higher then i've seen in products gives me a nice hit of energy.

The problem is how bitter teacrine is. Nitramine used 100mg, and you can taste it. Quite well. That's why most companies hardly use any if they do

[NurseGray]

confirmed: Jared Wheat (Hi-Tech) now has a controlling interest in Prime...

https://blog.priceplow.com/industry-...ed-jared-wheat

If history repeats itself. Jared will do good things with this company just like all the others.

[Big_Spaz]

Lol time to add company line to your signature VT

EVERYONE will be working for Vaughn soon


Which (trust me) is a GREAT thing




-Spaz

[TommyTuffGuy]

TMAC mentioned in another thread that he doesn't trust BSL, and i had no idea why. This news kinda sucks cause I was really enjoying Dust Extreme. I also think it hits harder then any other DMAA pre on the market, and i've had some great lifts on it. Even if it packs a punch, I don't want to be told i'm getting active ingredients that i'm not. Would like to see a 3rd party test.

This. It does seem to be the best one out there as far as energy goes, but now I'm skeptical all the other ingredients are even in this, lol.

[NurseGray]

EVERYONE will be working for Vaughn soon


Which (trust me) is a GREAT thing




-Spaz

Full support here

[AMeyer9]

Inb4 Prime is looking for 7 new reps

[carguy123]

May be the dosages. Not too many products w good teacrine dosing from what i've seen. I bought some in bulk to test it out, and dosing a little higher then i've seen in products gives me a nice hit of energy.

What kind of dose were you using? Was looking into bulk awhile back but got detoured by cost. To dose properly it can get a bit spendy

[BenBlue]

The problem is how bitter teacrine is. Nitramine used 100mg, and you can taste it. Quite well. That's why most companies hardly use any if they do

Seems kinda pointless in that case; just to have it on the label. I never really notice it hindering the taste when I throw in 100mg+ into my preworkout.