What is going to stop public shootings in the USA?

[Lvu5ever]

Stop making bullets. And execute anyome who is found with home made bullets. Tour is over. But in srs nothing.

[Wisdom187]

stop publicizing the names and faces of the shooters. most of these guys are nobodies but they see that now they can attach their bull**** to an organization and get 100x the press and be famous for it. So instead of just offing themselves they take people with them for the press.

[Avalanche3319]

Relative to the overall number of deaths every day in this country gun violence is statistically a non factor. It's a huge "issue" because the media makes it into one.

[neuron]

The simpliest answer is, nothing.

Society is falling hard. People don't care about decency anymore. If you can't see or deny the complete destruction of the family as well as society, you are either oblivious or intentionally ignoring it.

This

[Cadet4life]

better parenting. parents who discipline, give love, attention, ect to their kids.

[gpg_prodigy]

reach the singularity

[WrinklyGrandma]

legalize prostitution, srs

All these shooters are FA nerds

[F1exAppeal]

Ban pro-violence games like GTA and all those extremely violent tv shows/movies that people turn to for a sick dopamine high. Humans are easily influenced. If their go-to entertainment involves killing people without consequence, then the lack of empathy for human life follows.

I bet if they did a study on all these shooters who target random groups of people, they would find most if not all played violent games regularly. Same with those ISIS guys who behead hostages. You think they just hand the guy a knife the first day on the job? No, they make him watch hours of video and real life executions to densisitize him to the act of cutting another guy's head off while he's still alive.

theres videos of like 8 year old kids in ISIS beheading/shooting people, so yea. though the last 'Jihadi Mario Wii U' game might be the culprit

[Gunite]

Games have been proven repeatedly to have no correlation with violent behavior.

Those people never played the Dark Souls games then. Mega rage makers....



(not srs)

[mrmk5110]

1. Better parenting. Not in all instances of course, but especially in the inner cities many instances are of people who have no father figure in their life. Our culture of parents who don't care is creating problems.
2. Blow up the inner city education system and start over. The corruption of the education system has created a mess. We spend more money per student than many of those asian countries yet their systems take chits on ours.
3. Stop putting all of these damn people in the media and glorifying this violence.

Of course none of these will ever happen because humans gonna human.

[Didlid]

Nothing.

The problem was whenever they first allowed anybody to own a gun. Though simply stopping people having guns at this point is wayyyyyy too late considering how many are probably in circulation. I mean the best possible solution would be to outright ban them/make them very very hard to get with multiple courses (similar to driving license) and for the next 100+ years have very strict laws/punishments for anybody is found to have one without the courses/license.

Even still that would take probably way over 100 years and there will still be problems.


The epidemic is way to big to stop at this point imo. People should just never have been allowed them in the first place. Anybody who argues otherwise is probably going to be American. All you need to do is look at other countries and the lack of mass shootings to see the correlation between easy access to guns and mass shootings.

[InstantLoser]

Nothing.

The problem was whenever they first allowed anybody to own a gun.

Yeah people definitely weren't killing each other in mass numbers prior to the inception of firearms.

[nzgs]

They have so many mass shootings because

1) every other teen is on powerful medications they don't need
2) there is a parenting crisis in the western world, too many single mothers
3) public schools nurture child abuse and provide junk education

Just saying that people go on shootings because guns are legal is so ****ing stupid it's nauseating how left-wingers keep using that retarded line of argument.

-Why does Switzerland have equal number of gun killings as France and Germany? France and Germany have very tight gun controls, Switzerland has thousands of guns in private homes. Because those countries have very similar socioeconomics.
-Why are there so many more gun crimes in Mexico than Texas? Mexico has tight gun control, Texas is gun liberal.

If you have more than 2 braincells you can understand that guns don't cause gun crime, it's underlying social factors that I pointed out further up.

And even if you ban guns, the social factors that lead to gun crime will just lead to other crimes. That is why the UK with gun control has more violent crime than the USA and South Africa, two gun liberal countries.

[InstantLoser]

All you need to do is look at other countries and the lack of mass shootings to see the correlation between easy access to guns and mass shootings.

Explain why it's the "mass" issue that you people always cling to, when "mass shootings" account for a statistically tiny number of deaths (even shooting related deaths) overall? Australia banned guns. Guess what happened? Their murder rate went up, then leveled off back to where it was. Explain how banning guns did any good. Oh, less "Mass shootings". Great. The same number of people are still getting murdered every year though, so apparently no lives were actually saved. Apparently people reverted to killing each other with knives or blunt implements (you know, kind of the way people have been killing each other since time began?). Is it better to be stabbed/beaten to death instead of being shot? And before you say something stupid like "But you have a better chance of getting away from someone with a knife/baseball bat", based on the murder rate, apparently that's not the case, since the same number of people are dying.

[BlueSasquatch]

They have so many mass shootings because

1) every other teen is on powerful medications they don't need
2) there is a parenting crisis in the western world, too many single mothers
3) public schools nurture child abuse and provide junk education

Just saying that people go on shootings because guns are legal is so ****ing stupid it's nauseating how left-wingers keep using that retarded line of argument.

-Why does Switzerland have equal number of gun killings as France and Germany? France and Germany have very tight gun controls, Switzerland has thousands of guns in private homes. Because those countries have very similar socioeconomics.
-Why are there so many more gun crimes in Mexico than Texas? Mexico has tight gun control, Texas is gun liberal.

If you have more than 2 braincells you can understand that guns don't cause gun crime, it's underlying social factors that I pointed out further up.

And even if you ban guns, the social factors that lead to gun crime will just lead to other crimes. That is why the UK with gun control has more violent crime than the USA and South Africa, two gun liberal countries.

/thread.

[Didlid]

Yeah people definitely weren't killing each other in mass numbers prior to the inception of firearms.

Of course they were but it was much harder. You can't honestly believe that the easy access to guns isn't a reason why mass shootings happen multiple times a year in America yet countries with no easy access to guns don't have this problem? It's VERY clear to every person from every country that it's the root problem. American's just somehow don't see this.

I'm not saying take away guns as i don't care for or against guns but looking at facts and logically thinking about things shows that it's quite clear that America has a problem and that problem is easy access to firearms.

Also you can't even compare to before people had guns. A gun can shoot someone with 1 bullet and kill them from a large distance. Whereas things like bows are inaccurate and very slow in comparison to use and also are far less likely to kill you in 1 shot from a long distance. Swords and knives etc you can literally run away from if you're fast enough or at least stand a chance with other people to wrestle the attacker to the ground. A gun just simply doesn't allow for escape in most cases and is far to easy to take somebodies life.


edit: to answer your point above. Population rises so there are more people to commit crimes as well as many other factors including education/morals/social dynamics/higher crime rate/poor upbringing. There are a million reasons which people commit crimes but all i'm saying is that denying people easy access to something that can murder someone is better than not putting that barrier there at all.

Statistics have many variables especially when it comes to crime/murder/assault.

People cling to "mass" shootings because they simply wouldn't happen with a knife/bow. 1 person armed with a bow vs 100 people unarmed has a very small chance of killing the same amount of people that someone with a gun vs 100 unarmed has, it's as simple as that.

[JRMoore82]

And lest we forget, the pressure cooker.

I'm willing to die for my roast dinner.

Are you?

[InstantLoser]

Of course they were but it was much harder. You can't honestly believe that the easy access to guns isn't a reason why mass shootings happen multiple times a year in America yet countries with no easy access to guns don't have this problem? It's VERY clear to every person from every country that it's the root problem. American's just somehow don't see this.

I'm not saying take away guns as i don't care for or against guns but looking at facts and logically thinking about things shows that it's quite clear that America has a problem and that problem is easy access to firearms.

Also you can't even compare to before people had guns. A gun can shoot someone with 1 bullet and kill them from a large distance. Whereas things like bows are inaccurate and very slow in comparison to use and also are far less likely to kill you in 1 shot from a long distance. Swords and knives etc you can literally run away from if you're fast enough or at least stand a chance with other people to wrestle the attacker to the ground. A gun just simply doesn't allow for escape in most cases and is far to easy to take somebodies life.

Read my last post. You keep focusing on "mass shootings" which are a statistical non issue. Just because the media blows them out of proportion doesn't mean they're actually as big a problem as you're led to believe. Less than 3% of gun related deaths are from "mass shootings". Read my last post. Banning guns has zero beneficial impact on the overall murder rate. Gun-related deaths are not any more important than stabbings, beatings, or any other kind of murder.

[Vhagar]

Ban the public

[TremblingEagle]

[Harganoff]

[nutsy54]

Problem: People kill people
Short-sighted solution: Blame a piece of metal, then remove the single most effective defensive weapon from the hands of law-abiding victims

[Didlid]

Read my last post. You keep focusing on "mass shootings" which are a statistical non issue. Just because the media blows them out of proportion doesn't mean they're actually as big a problem as you're led to believe. Less than 3% of gun related deaths are from "mass shootings". Read my last post. Banning guns has zero beneficial impact on the overall murder rate. Gun-related deaths are not any more important than stabbings, beatings, or any other kind of murder.

I answered you above, I know you and almost every other American will never agree with me but to me it's plain and simple what the problem is.

But it is not possible to solve due to the amount of guns and the way that guns have always been a major part of American history. Like i said in my first post.

Edit: to add to this
It isn't possible to solve because taking guns away will leave criminals etc with illegal guns and a massive blackmarket yet innocent law abiding people won't have any guns to defend against the scumbags

[InstantLoser]

I answered you above, I know you and almost every other American will never agree with me but to me it's plain and simple what the problem is.

But it is not possible to solve due to the amount of guns and the way that guns have always been a major part of American history. Like i said in my first post.

Edit: to add to this
It isn't possible to solve because taking guns away will leave criminals etc with illegal guns and a massive blackmarket yet innocent law abiding people won't have any guns to defend against the scumbags

I answered you above, I know you and almost every other American will never agree with me but to me it's plain and simple what the problem is.

No, you didn't read my last post. The Australian gun ban proves the banning guns does not reduce the murder rate. The SAME NUMBER of people died after they banned guns (actually more for a while, then it evened back out). They saved ZERO lives by banning guns. You're so focused on "shootings", but the relevant number is the overall "murder rate". If you ban guns, and the same number of people get killed each year, what does that tell you? It's PROOF that banning guns doesn't stop people from killing each other, and apparently it doesn't even slow them down.

In a country like America where banning guns won't remove them from criminals (who obviously won't turn theirs in, or who will get them illegally through the black market, etc), then you're going to have an even worse outcome because now you have a disarmed populace who can't defend themselves against criminals.

[Jax05]

Ban feels like in Equilibrium

[InstantLoser]

Ban feels like in Equilibrium

We all know how that worked out.

[brrealtea]

Kill all humans.

[anonymous]

More armed and trained citizens with CCP. These bastards can be stopped, people just need to stand up and take action these days, simple as that.

Furthermore, I'd be happy with mental health tests/checks being conducted before sale is final for owning a gun of any kind. If you can prove that you're sane enough to own a gun, you can have one This won't stop criminals, obviously- That's a matter for law enforcement to deal with. (Though secretly, I'm not entirely against vigilantes/street justice.).

Either way, the 2nd Amendment shall not be infringed. As has always been said, even if you strip away these rights, it does not stop criminals, who acquire them illegally anyway and leaves law-abiding citizens defenseless against such criminals. It's nice that we have law enforcement, but they don't always get there on time and they aren't always reliable, especially in the case of corrupted ones.

So spread public awareness, train them more, things should stabilize.

[Didlid]

No, you didn't read my last post. The Australian gun ban proves the banning guns does not reduce the murder rate. The SAME NUMBER of people died after they banned guns (actually more for a while, then it evened back out). They saved ZERO lives by banning guns. You're so focused on "shootings", but the relevant number is the overall "murder rate". If you ban guns, and the same number of people get killed each year, what does that tell you? It's PROOF that banning guns doesn't stop people from killing each other, and apparently it doesn't even slow them down.

I did answer that, Crime rates/population and many other factors increase which could cause an increase in murders (whilst gun bans could have decreased or increased murders causing it to level out) but either way you can't claim that banning guns did nothing as many factors can affect people murdering people not just access to guns.

In a country like America where banning guns won't remove them from criminals (who obviously won't turn theirs in, or who will get them illegally through the black market, etc), then you're going to have an even worse outcome because now you have a disarmed populace who can't defend themselves against criminals.

I agree i said that in my first post and my last one. Banning guns is a bad idea the problem can't be solved because of that reason innocent people would be unarmed and criminals would have easy access still. Best case which i can think of anyway (but still horrible) would be to ban them have massive consequences for having them and just deal with the fact that lots of unarmed people will die until in 100+ years time you can get the level of guns down drastically. (never gonna happen though)

[InstantLoser]

I did answer that, Crime rates/population and many other factors increase which could cause an increase in murders (whilst gun bans could have decreased or increased murders causing it to level out) but either way you can't claim that banning guns did nothing as many factors can affect people murdering people not just access to guns

So your argument is that correlation is not causation, which is fine, but by the same token you can't claim that countries that have no guns also have lower rates of violence/murder because they have no guns. Societal/cultural factors must be evaluated/applied.

The underlined proves you have no idea either way if banning guns has any beneficial or negative impacts. But you seemed so sure a few minutes ago that guns are the cause of all these problems and if we didn't have them in the 1st place there'd be less murders. So which is it? We know that people will still kill each other whether guns exist or not (look at all of history for countless examples). We know that the post-gun ban Australia is not a safer place than it was before they took people's ability to defend themselves away. We know that disarming law abiding citizens in America would simply leave them at the mercy of a still-armed criminal population who will get their guns through illegal means if/when guns are made illegal (they already do largely anyway).

So again, explain how you can claim that guns cause any violence at all, and that removing them has any benefit.


**edit**

I agree i said that in my first post and my last one. Banning guns is a bad idea the problem can't be solved because of that reason innocent people would be unarmed and criminals would have easy access still. Best case which i can think of anyway (but still horrible) would be to ban them have massive consequences for having them and just deal with the fact that lots of unarmed people will die until in 100+ years time you can get the level of guns down drastically. (never gonna happen though)

I'm not even sure what point you're trying to make any more other than there is no solution, which may be true, but I'd wager looking at the causes of violence might have some benefit. The tools aren't causing it, people are. Now, why people are losing their **** and going on killing sprees is probably a more useful question.