Militia takes over federal site in Oregon

[KingTrump2016]

Holocaust - legal
Slavery - legal

You're on the wrong side of morality

lol..oh lawdy. Cant use government land for free = slavery and holocaust!

Men get convicted of crimes and sentenced to prison = slavery & holocaust.

I get it now...when things dont go your way its tyranny.

[caublet]

edit: Also Eric Holder is a terrorist, have to keep darko happy because he's been harping on that for the past couple hours lol

Also (sawoobley) there's a legal process to determining whether your rights are being violated, you don't just invade a government building and keep it held with the threat of violence lol


You guys have been properly indoctrinated and brainwashed. I didn't know we could break laws when it was feasible and not expect any repercussions.

You know its bad when this guy calls those idiots criminals and you're still disagreeing, he's like the head of the conservatives and MFC. No offense to him, but Jesus Christ.

Please go into a black lives matter thread and post the bolded statement.

[GiantMonkey]

This would had probably never happened if government would have stayed small with less powers.

Thanks to the right and left, you've achieved a large and overly powerful government.

This.

This started in NV where nearly 85% of the state is owned by the Feds, 53% of Ore is owned by the feds. Why do they own so much land? How about they sell it off to private citizens or give it to the states and give them the control.

[Stizzel]

lol..oh lawdy. Cant use government land for free = slavery and holocaust!

Men get convicted of crimes and sentenced to prison = slavery & holocaust.

I get it now...when things dont go your way its tyranny.

I didnt say the holocaust is the same thing, I criticized your statement about how the law must always be obeyed.

How many jews would you have legally murdered?

[KingTrump2016]

This.

This started in NV where nearly 85% of the state is owned by the Feds, 53% of Ore is owned by the feds. Why do they own so much land? How about they sell it off to private citizens or give it to the states and give them the control.

Because they bought it, it was given to them or they just took it.

look at the mexican cessation of 1848. Most of the west was sold to the government for $15 million. ~$500million in todays dollars.

[KingTrump2016]

I didnt say the holocaust is the same thing, I criticized your statement about how the law must always be obeyed.

How many jews would you have legally murdered?

Today in this country....all the laws must be obeyed. Why? Because our country is civilized. That's the things you guys dont get...our country has progressed. If you want a society where laws are changed by guns, move to ****lia.

[GiantMonkey]

Because they bought it, it was given to them or they just took it.

look at the mexican cessation of 1848. Most of the west was sold to the government for $15 million. ~$500million in todays dollars.

That's not what I am saying, I understand how the feds obtained it.

More of a question of why they own the land.

From: http://bigthink.com/strange-maps/291...ands-in-the-us

What is all that federal land for? And exactly who is in charge? According to the Congressional Research Service [4], a total area of just under 610 million acres – more than twice the size of Namibia – is administered by no more than 4 federal government agencies:

* The United States Forest Service (USFS), which oversees timber harvesting, recreation, wildlife habitat protection and other sustainable uses on a total of 193 million acres – almost the size of Turkey – mainly designated as National Forests.

* The National Park Service (NPS) conserves lands and resources on 80 million acres – a Norway-sized area – in order to preserve them for the public. Any harvesting or resource removal is generally prohibited.

* the Bureau of Land Management (BLM), managing 248 million acres [5] – an area the size of Egypt – has a multiple-use, sustained-yield mandate, supporting energy development, recreation, grazing, conservation, and other uses.

* the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) manages 89 million acres – an area slightly bigger than Germany – to conserve and protect animal and plant species.

[Stizzel]

Today in this country....all the laws must be obeyed. Why? Because our country is civilized. That's the things you guys dont get...our country has progressed. If you want a society where laws are changed by guns, move to ****lia.

"Obey me or leave" is neither moral nor civilized. You're nothing more than a barbarian.

[elterrible987]

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no...ith_quiet.html

Apparently, property rights are "tyranny" now

Basically, these guys want to use federal grazing lands for free

funny, i thought "property rights" was one of their number one things. i think its tear gas time

The federal government used violence to acquire said land, what's wrong with someone else using violence to acquire it for themselves? That's the nature of society.

Then they shouldnt bitch when violence is used to take it back by people with bigger guns.

[Mumra]

just lol@ all the liberals advocating violence and saying things like "these people have it coming". generally these are the same people that cry foul when military force is used over seas. bet cha they weren't saying the same thing when that Union in Wisconsin occupied the capitol building, threatened people and trashed the place. the Feds basically just ignored them.

[KingTrump2016]

"Obey me or leave" is neither moral nor civilized. You're nothing more than a barbarian.

You are free to go vote or run for office. Its not my fault you and others are not willing to put in the time nor effort to change the laws.

But for real, if guys are on that armed insurrection time, go try out ****lia for a while and see how you like it. Myself? I prefer this country where laws are changed by voting and running for office.

[Stizzel]

You are free to go vote or run for office. Its not my fault you and others are not willing to put in the time nor effort to change the laws.

But for real, if guys are on that armed insurrection time, go try out ****lia for a while and see how you like it. Myself? I prefer this country where laws are changed by voting and running for office.

You dont know what I have devoted my time and effort into. You just want to change the subject because your appeal to a violent authority exposes your concept of civility as no more evolved than apes beating each other with sticks.

You may also want to stop bringing up ****lia. Your ignorance is embarassing. Stop making me pity you.

Please.

[Darkhare]

Are the conservative turds in this thread really defending a pair of criminal arsonists? The two genius' at the center of this story who are to report to jail tomorrow endangered a camp of volunteer firefighters in the SECOND fire they started on federal land.

I hope the Feds destroy these idiots.

If you don't see the issue of using antiterrorism laws on farmers doing back burns. I can't help you. Bowdown and suck the govt corporation cawk

[Darkhare]

lol..oh lawdy. Cant use government land for free = slavery and holocaust!

Men get convicted of crimes and sentenced to prison = slavery & holocaust.

I get it now...when things dont go your way its tyranny.

You don't know what you're talking about. They had grazing land rights and permits. The govt started taking those away just to squeeze them out.


Think man. They're not terrorists and they were sentenced to 3 months n 1 to a year prior to the terrorism laws that now gave them 4 years.

Fuk

[Darkhare]

Today in this country....all the laws must be obeyed. Why? Because our country is civilized. That's the things you guys dont get...our country has progressed. If you want a society where laws are changed by guns, move to ****lia.

BRB patriot act is civilised LOL!!!

Drone strikes on domestic land is progressive LOL

[Stizzel]

You don't know what you're talking about. They had grazing land rights and permits. The govt started taking those away just to squeeze them out.


Think man. They're not terrorists and they were sentenced to 3 months n 1 to a year prior to the terrorism laws that now gave them 4 years.

Fuk

Just because they've been maintaining this land for hundreds of years doesnt mean the federal government cant do whatever the hell it wants brah!

Lets make murica great again

[sawoobley]

Here Are Five Reasons You Should Side With The Hammond Family

http://www.dailywire.com/news/2303/h...piro#pq=LJoPrS

[CitizenVagrant]

First Stizzycakes, this may seem pedantic, but...

When the EPA flooded an entire river with toxins last year, was anyone charged with terrorism?

No one, because the government can do no wrong. Or, more specifically, "wrong" (in this case classified as "terrorism") is defined by the people making AND ENFORCING the laws.

While there are plenty of laws stopping people from totally fuking an ecosystem by dumping pollutants into it, all the laws in the world are moot unless there is someone around to levy the punishment for breaking said law.

So if the agency responsible for enforcing a law breaks a law they're supposed to enforce, is the agency going to enforce the law on themselves?

The answer is obviously no.

While various departments of enforcement (including state / local) will sometimes conduct internal investigations to root out individuals, if the error involved enough people, it's not like an entire department will voluntarily seppuku because they ****ed up - or enough of them ****ed up it might as well be the whole department, a-la FEMA.

"Obey me or leave" is neither moral nor civilized.

"Obey me or leave," is literally the fundamental tenet of civilization. "Obey me or leave," is the fundamental essence of how Order is maintained.

Chaotic elements are suppressed through threat of force or exterminated through the use of force. Literally all civilization has been or ever will be is because a legion of rough men with weapons exists to keep everyone in line. A legion of rough men with weapons on its own does not constitute Order, but when the same legion acts and abide by a set of laws and rules, then that is in essence, civilization. Whether those laws are just or unjust is a completely different story.

Not to tangent too far, but keep in mind that "justice" is NOT objectively logical. "Justice" is a product of the logic of whoever's administering it. If that person (or entity's) logic is flawed, then that justice will also be flawed. BUT it is not "un-just." It's justified to them, so they execute it. Same way victors write the history books. And why were they victors?

Because of a legion of rough men with weapons.

Using that as a reference, I hope you can see that "Civilization" (Order) and the "Justice" that spawns from it, is not something that is objectively logical. It's the logic of a legion of rough men or those who wield that army.

Were there not a legion of rough men to keep folks in line - then we go back to violent tribalism. People grouping up purely for their own individual self-preservation. Tribes assimilating, splintering, in-fighting, warring, etc.

All iterations of civilization, including the modern one, are just extensions of this.

[Nebor]

Today I learned that 69% of Alaska is owned by the federal government. Mind = blown.

[KingTrump2016]

You don't know what you're talking about. They had grazing land rights and permits. The govt started taking those away just to squeeze them out.


Think man. They're not terrorists and they were sentenced to 3 months n 1 to a year prior to the terrorism laws that now gave them 4 years.

Fuk

I know exactly what I am talking about. The terrorists that have occupied a federal building havent been sentenced to anything.

[KingTrump2016]

Here Are Five Reasons You Should Side With The Hammond Family

http://www.dailywire.com/news/2303/h...piro#pq=LJoPrS

Thats a great link. But doesnt have anything to do with armed terrorists occupying a federal building. The hammond family is not taking up armed resistance.

[illriginalized]

Thats a great link. But doesnt have anything to do with armed terrorists occupying a federal building. The hammond family is not taking up armed resistance.

They're not terrorists. They didn't kill anyone nor destroy any buildings, you ****in tard.

[KingTrump2016]

They're not terrorists. They didn't kill anyone nor destroy any buildings, you ****in tard.

You don't have to kill anyone or blow things up to be a terrorist. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investi...ism-definition

Trust me, the US has droned a bunch of muslims that never actually killed or blow anything up.

But hey it if floats your boat, we can just call them armed criminals that need to be arrested.

[RedPolo]

LMAO @ all the morons who are ok with the government sentencing the Hammonds to 5 years for trying to kill invasive plants.

But it's perfectly OK for the the BLM themselves to start these fires which have actually spread to private property killing the rancher's cattle, and they didn't even compensate the ranchers. But hey, they're the government so no harm harm done right?

Onward Comrades!

[sawoobley]

Thats a great link. But doesnt have anything to do with armed terrorists occupying a federal building. The hammond family is not taking up armed resistance.

They have been mentioned a few times ITT and they are a part of the back story which precipitated this whole thing.

[KingTrump2016]

LMAO @ all the morons who are ok with the government sentencing the Hammonds to 5 years for trying to kill invasive plants.

But it's perfectly OK for the the BLM themselves to start these fires which have actually spread to private property and killed the rancher's cattle, and not even compensate the ranchers. But hey, they're the government so no harm harm done right?

Onward Comrades!

Who said anything about the Hammonds?

We are talking about a group of guys that have weapons and seized government buildings. <--Why are you ok with that?

[KingTrump2016]

They have been mentioned a few times ITT and they are a part of the back story which precipitated this whole thing.

Again....we are talking about a group of armed men that have seized a government building. The reason for committing that act is irrelevant.

Sometimes people steal because they are hungry. I feel bad they are hungry, but they still stole.
Sometimes people break into homes because its cold outside and they want a warm place to sleep. I feel bad they are cold. But Im still going to kill them as they crawl through the window of my home. If I come home and find them in my house I am going to shoot them or call the police.

[illriginalized]

You don't have to kill anyone or blow things up to be a terrorist. https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investi...ism-definition

Trust me, the US has droned a bunch of muslims that never actually killed or blow anything up.

But hey it if floats your boat, we can just call them armed criminals that need to be arrested.

Yes and by a tyrannical government's definition of terrorist, a cot damn crowd of protesters too are terrorists

If you hoard water, according to a tyrannical government, you're a potential domestic terrorist.

That's how effin ridiculous the Federals are.

[KingTrump2016]

lol! Apprently these overweight guys playing army felt threatened by a 74yo woman.

The sheriff said three militiamen and one woman, one with a gun strapped to his hip, engaged his 74-year-old mother and 78-year-old father at a yard sale being held at the American Legion. When the men criticized the sheriff, his mother bristled, and said she didn't need their protection from the government.

Later, the men showed up at the sheriff's office to complain about the exchange involving his mother.

She had, they said, threatened them.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no...n_showdow.html

[PrivilegeCheker]

As a conservative i would like to personally denounce these actions. These extremist do not represent conservatism and have warped our ideology to fit their agenda. We are all not the same. Most of us are peaceful and have families and just believe in smaller government. We don't believe in strong arming we just preach freedom and peace.

I hope this doesn't make people afraid of conservatives or give them bigoted ideas of us. And i hope my fellow conservative will join me in denouncing these acts
#NotInMyName