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    States your political beliefs here and why you believe they are the best for people

    I am more left leaning, I care a lot about people, economically I think money should be distrubuted equally.
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    i politically believe that OP is a *******.

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    basically the western/northern euro model without the immigration

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    small government, non-interventionist, the government should let people assume responsibility for their lives and create an environment where everyone has a fair chance at success without overstepping and over-regulating single industry and aspect of our lives.
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    Are you really helping someone if you give them money? Surely you are making their situation worse by reinforcing the fact they can't make it by themselves and need someone else to foot the bill.
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    -All elected positions are volunteer jobs. No pay for making laws, no government benefits but room and board if you are a state or federal elected official for the time you are away from home.
    -Term or time limits at each level (i.e. 10 years at local level, 5 at state, 5 at federal).
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    Anarchist capitalist, because any statist political system requires the use of force and is therefore immoral. Free market capitalism is the only moral system of trade and the only system that maximises wealth creation for all members of society.

    Anything and everything that doesn't initiate force on another person or animal should be legal.
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    I'm a man of the people. Strangle big corporations if you must to guarantee the average person a good life. Tax the chit out of them and distribute the money. Chit tbh I think a person's salary should be proportional to however much money they're generating for a company, not market-based.
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    Originally Posted by PastorGaines View Post
    I'm a man of the people. Strangle big corporations if you must to guarantee the average person a good life. Tax the chit out of them and distribute the money. Chit tbh I think a person's salary should be proportional to however much money they're generating for a company, not market-based.
    Giant corporations employ millions of people. You'd rather see millions go unemployed just to "punish" political opponents. You'd also rather dictate to companies what they should pay and thus reduce employment opportunities. Your post perfectly demonstrates why socialism is selfish and immoral. You aren't a man of the people, you are a man of yourself.
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    small government, non-interventionist, the government should let people assume responsibility for their lives and create an environment where everyone has a fair chance at success without overstepping and over-regulating single industry and aspect of our lives.
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    Are you really helping someone if you give them money? Surely you are making their situation worse by reinforcing the fact they can't make it by themselves and need someone else to foot the bill.
    Exactly. That's what liberals do. Affirmative action is racist against blacks and minorities. You guys can't make it without lower standards than the rest of us, so here's a gimme for you. Can't get much more patronizing and condescending than that.

    Regarding welfare, same idea. You poor thing, you can't make it in your own, so we're gonna take care of you for years because we don't think you're capable of ever supporting yourself on your own. Again, patronizing and condescending.

    It's not mean or racist to want to have people make it on their own with as few gimmes as possible. It's how good parents raise their kids; you make your kid do chores for an allowance. They get older and if they want to go to the movies or out to eat, they'll have to get a part-time job. Life is about working to support oneself and it should apply across the board. Aid should be given sparingly and only when absolutely necessary. It should not be a way of life.
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    -capitalism is the best form of economics......communism and socialism cause stagnation and there's a reason why the richest from all over the world come to america for surgeries, etc. because of the competition it provides
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    I think a person's salary should be proportional to however much money they're generating for a company, not market-based.
    I won't even go into how ridiculous that is because I think it's fairly obvious, so I'll get right to the question. How would you measure how much a person is generating for a company? Many jobs generate no cash flow for a company but are a necessary cost of the business and typically one of the largest. Most administrative jobs fall into this category.
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    Anarchist capitalist, because any statist political system requires the use of force and is therefore immoral. Free market capitalism is the only moral system of trade and the only system that maximises wealth creation for all members of society.

    Anything and everything that doesn't initiate force on another person or animal should be legal.
    the moral arqument is fine but you just went full potato after that

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    Originally Posted by FitnessCPA View Post
    Exactly. That's what liberals do. Affirmative action is racist against blacks and minorities. You guys can't make it without lower standards than the rest of us, so here's a gimme for you. Can't get much more patronizing and condescending than that.

    Regarding welfare, same idea. You poor thing, you can't make it in your own, so we're gonna take care of you for years because we don't think you're capable of ever supporting yourself on your own. Again, patronizing and condescending.

    It's not mean or racist to want to have people make it on their own with as few gimmes as possible. It's how good parents raise their kids; you make your kid do chores for an allowance. They get older and if they want to go to the movies or out to eat, they'll have to get a part-time job. Life is about working to support oneself and it should apply across the board. Aid should be given sparingly and only when absolutely necessary. It should not be a way of life.
    Agree wholeheartedly. True equality is with everyone on an equal playing field. You can't prop up certain people and preach equality.

    We need to build a system that gives opportunities for everyone to prosper through there own hard work. We need to strengthen our economy and currency so that we have more buying power. We need to loosen regulations that hurt small businesses and drive jobs out of our country.
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    I won't even go into how ridiculous that is because I think it's fairly obvious, so I'll get right to the question. How would you measure how much a person is generating for a company? Many jobs generate no cash flow for a company but are a necessary cost of the business and typically one of the largest. Most administrative jobs fall into this category.
    Simple: you pay them based on the opportunity cost of you doing the job yourself. ie. You're sorting files three hours a week instead of moving a project forward? Pay an employee a reasonable percentage of however much you'd make working on the project. Besides, my point applies mainly to manual labor jobs where a company charges customers $80/hr but pays its employees $10/hr.

    Enlighten me if you think there's a better way of doing it. I only recently started reading into different economic systems and I'm open to differing viewpoints. As it stands though unregulated capitalism seems too brutal and cutthroat, esp after reading about the Bolsheviks and the exploitation of Latin America.
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    Theoretically the best political system is enlightened despotism. It's the best for the people because if a benevolent, highly intelligent man was in charge of everything. Things would be better. It's even in human nature to have a leader.

    Democracy by representation is a farce. It's all populism.
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    Simple: you pay them based on the opportunity cost of you doing the job yourself. ie. You're sorting files three hours a week instead of moving a project forward? Pay an employee a reasonable percentage of however much you'd make working on the project. Besides, my point applies mainly to manual labor jobs where a company charges customers $80/hr but pays its employees $10/hr.
    And who are you to tell a company what to pay its employees? Did you take any of the risk in building the business? Are you an owner of the business? Do you manage the business?
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    And who are you to tell a company what to pay its employees? Did you take any of the risk in building the business? Are you an owner of the business? Do you manage the business?
    No, I'm not a stakeholder, which is exactly why I can tell it how it is.

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    A lot of idealistic views in here. Usually they change when unforseen circumstances arise in their life. People against business regulations until they get wrongfully discharged from their job. Then they want to sue using the same regulations they rally against. A loved one gets sick and has no insurance. The medical bills pile up with no way to pay them. They may get passed over for a job promotion because the boss's kid needed a job. So many life altering events can change your views.
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    A lot of idealistic views in here. Usually they change when unforseen circumstances arise in their life. People against business regulations until they get wrongfully discharged from their job. Then they want to sue using the same regulations they rally against. A loved one gets sick and has no insurance. The medical bills pile up with no way to pay them. They may get passed over for a job promotion because the boss's kid needed a job. So many life altering events can change your views.
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    No, I'm not a stakeholder, which is exactly why I can tell it how it is.

    brb I can pay you peanuts because you "didn't take any of the risk"
    Who said anything about peanuts? The market takes care of wages. No one will take an IT Director job for $30k a year, which is why IT Director jobs pay more than $30k a year.

    Companies already pay employees as low as they can, just like they manage any other expense. They owe it to their owners to do just that. The reason you don't see good, talented people making sh!tty money is because good, talented people won't take jobs paying sh!tty money. Competition won't allow it.
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    Originally Posted by FitnessCPA View Post
    Who said anything about peanuts? The market takes care of wages. No one will take an IT Director job for $30k a year, which is why IT Director jobs pay more than $30k a year.

    Companies already pay employees as low as they can, just like they manage any other expense. They owe it to their owners to do just that. The reason you don't see good, talented people making sh!tty money is because good, talented people won't take jobs paying sh!tty money. Competition won't allow it.
    What about the third-world proletariat barely making enough to eat? Is the market going to take care of their wages too?
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