I know that fruit is composed of simple sugar, fructose, but I read that this doesn't cause an insulin spike. Why do people advocate fruit pwo as a simple sugar if it doesn't have that effect?
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03-11-2008, 04:50 PM #1
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03-11-2008, 05:02 PM #2
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03-11-2008, 05:05 PM #3
Well I never feel the need to "spike" my insulin because I gain weight like it's my job . I never really have bad carbs unless it's a cheat meal, even after lifting. Fruit is really the only simple carb I eat on a regular basis. Is it a bad idea to have fruit at any time during the day then, because of this response? That would really ruin my day lol, but should it be restricted to pwo?
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03-11-2008, 05:17 PM #4
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03-11-2008, 05:18 PM #5
Fruit PWO is fine in small amounts as it fills liver glycogen first, not muscle glycogen. If you want a fruit PWO, lean towards starchier ones like bananas.
No, fruit need not be avoided at all. Fructose rings in at a whopping 30 or so on the glycemic index, compared to oats, bread, and sweet potatoes that are all between 40-70 depending on the grain and cut of wheat. Low sugar fruits like apples, berries, oranges, etc are fine anytime. Higher GI fruits like bananas, pineapples, etc are also fine, but best left to mornings and PWO meals IMO.
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03-11-2008, 06:21 PM #11
Fructose mainly goes under insulin radar, which has advantages and disadvantages. Furthermore, I see no advantages to eating fruit besides for its nutrients/taste.
No, it will not make you fat (unless consumed in large doses, like anything else), but I tend to stay away from it besides maybe an apple or banana a day.member of the 1000lb club (ya rly)
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03-11-2008, 06:54 PM #12
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03-11-2008, 09:41 PM #14
That was my next question . One of my favorite snacks is an apple and some almonds, so I was hoping that the almonds were lowering the GL of the meal, which is what you're saying. I was never really worried about fruit in the past at all. I used to have it as a prebed snack all the time, but now that I'm back cutting again I've been doing some reading and I get all these damn mixed feelings haha. Glad this is cleared up though. It shouldn't be a problem, even pre-bed then I presume
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03-12-2008, 01:32 AM #16
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Cortisol is elevated in the morning and raising (again not spiking) insulin assists in turning off the catabolic switch.
Nuts may or may not attenute blood/insulin sugar rise - it will be dose dependant ... you'll probably need a good amount of fat to make an impact... at night your liver glycogen is probably well stocked (depending on diet) ... I bet you know where this is going ...It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
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03-12-2008, 04:53 AM #17
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03-12-2008, 06:30 AM #19
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Solid statment as always in10city, but i got a quick question regarding veggins and an insulin response
i got into an argument with a person at the gym saying that even having veggies pre-bed releases too big of an insulin response for a good bodybuilding diet (referring to green veggies) .. was i wrong in telling this guy he was a clown?
For example, 4 eggs 3 egg whites and a side of broccoli about 6oz worth, how would that differ from eating say cottage cheese and peanut butter as their is probably more carbs in PB and CC then in the eggs / broccoli
sorry for throwing this off topic
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03-12-2008, 06:35 AM #20
CC+PB I'd bet would give a much bigger insulin response. CC is likely to be quite insulinogenic. Fat isn't going to blunt that too much although it would probably lower the GI.
It's not the carbs in either of those meals that is the insulin-raising factor. It's the type of protein.Last edited by Jules Verne; 03-12-2008 at 06:37 AM.
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03-12-2008, 06:44 AM #21
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i see what your saying, but since green veggies are barley counted by anyone for the amount of carbs and their insulin response is so minimal, should I even bother raising this up to the guy when i run into him in the gym 2marow to prove to him hes a moron for stating having carbs like broccoli before bed release too big of an insulin spike for a person REAL serious about bodybuilding.
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03-12-2008, 06:46 AM #22
Don't worry about going off topic, as long as we can get back on after this . Although I may not know as much as in10city, I'd definitely have to agree with you that the guy was a clown. Veggies don't create a big insulin response.
Jules Verne, would you mind elaborating on that statement. That's the second time you referred to the protein having a higher insulin response. Does protein in whole foods have that much of an effect on insulin?
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03-12-2008, 06:56 AM #23
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I got a quick response that is put in terms EVERYONE can understand:
NOBODY HAS EVER GOTTEN FAT FROM EATING FRUIT...BOTTOMLINE.Avatar Pic was from Oct 2008. Then gained some weight as all I do is WORK!
Started the 2013 Summer Cut in Decemeber. Was at 201 lbs after some nice gains....
12/12/12: 201
1/4/13: 197
1/31/13: 192
2/15/13: 188
2/28/13: 185
3/15/13: 182
GOAL is 175 by 4/15/13....
"It never occurs to me that there are things that I can't do."
Failure is not defeat...Defeat is accepting failure as the final outcome...
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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
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03-12-2008, 08:01 AM #27
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Avatar Pic was from Oct 2008. Then gained some weight as all I do is WORK!
Started the 2013 Summer Cut in Decemeber. Was at 201 lbs after some nice gains....
12/12/12: 201
1/4/13: 197
1/31/13: 192
2/15/13: 188
2/28/13: 185
3/15/13: 182
GOAL is 175 by 4/15/13....
"It never occurs to me that there are things that I can't do."
Failure is not defeat...Defeat is accepting failure as the final outcome...
-Me
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03-12-2008, 08:12 AM #28
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It really will be small in comparison to other food items - especially only 6 oz worth ...
Now if you are really carb sensitive or entering a competition, then that's one thing where extreme measures like carb cutoffs may or may not be a talking point ... but for the vast majority the impact is minutiae in the bigger picture.
I'd be pre-diabetic & globulous with all of the broccoli I literally graze on throughout the day if this were the caseIt is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
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