NBA fans, explain this to me: Is Lebron an actual contender for the GOAT?

[Ken-O]

Im a football fan, and im lucky to be alive to witness the GOAT (Lionel Messi) play week in and week out, but there are still a lot of people who have nostalgia googles and live and die by the idea that Messi isnt the GOAT and that there are players like Maradona, Pele and Zidane (lol) who are still higher on the GOAT level.


Im just wondering, if with Lebron, something similar is happening? That we are seeing the GOAT, but people with nostalgia googles still live and die by the argument that MJ and Kobe were better?

From a non-biased perspective, Lebron seems to have it absolutely everything. Dude's a beast, both technically and physically. Im a big fan of MJ but come on... there's gotta be at least a debate here.

[oVo]

I think everyone on the sports misc unanimous agrees on the GOAT. It's why you never see any threads saying Kobe vs. James vs. Jordan

[IsLifeRealLife]

Yes.

The warriors have:
-The best bench in the NBA
-COTY (IMO)
-MVP
-2 DPOY Candidates
-Top 3 SG
-Fully healthy team

and Lebron is up 2-1 on them and his sidekick is Matthew Dellavedova...

[iTunesBrah]

If he carries playing like he has over the first 3 games and the cavs win the series, his argument as GOAT has increased massively.

[LikeAMachine]

Saw my dad's penis once and it was huge crew

how am I supposed to take you serious?

[bzman]

Yes.

The warriors have:
-The best bench in the NBA
-COTY (IMO)
-MVP
-2 DPOY Candidates
-Top 3 SG
-Fully healthy team

and Lebron is up 2-1 on them and his sidekick is Matthew Dellavedova...

This should answer your question

[Sv1nt]

There's some guys named Kobe Bryant, Michael Jordan & Magic Johnson.

[GrownSimba3]

If he wins 3-4 more rings he takes MJ spot. No contest. The only argument that will be had is that defense was for physical back in MJ's day.

[Ken-O]

how am I supposed to take you serious?

By not being an homosexual that, while im trying to discuss something sports related, you focus on the only one sentence which isnt even related to my original post, that has the word "penis in it.

[TheDailyPlanet]

If he wins 3-4 more rings he takes MJ spot. No contest. The only argument that will be had is that defense was for physical back in MJ's day.

U realize its harder to attack the paint in a zone?

[anonymous]

I think everyone on the sports misc unanimous agrees on the GOAT. It's why you never see any threads saying Kobe vs. James vs. Jordan

[notWilliam]

If he wins 3-4 more rings he takes MJ spot. No contest. The only argument that will be had is that defense was for physical back in MJ's day.

The level of play is much higher now.

I used to a firm believer that LBJ would never pass MJ in terms of career legacy, but Im a bit hesitant to say that after watching the first 3 games. We'll see where it goes from here and how LBJ adapts to his declining athleticism.

[lsiberian]

Lebron needs to win 4 more rings before there is even a discussion.

[hublife]

Lebron needs to win 4 more rings before there is even a discussion.

This.


Without being carried. If he wins a ring this year it'll be the first legitimate one of his career. I'm really enjoying watching him finally play like a man. Especially after that pussy ass effort last year.

[chiefnz]

By not being an homosexual that, while im trying to discuss something sports related, you focus on the only one sentence which isnt even related to my original post, that has the word "penis in it.

Dont try and play your crew off like its a normal thing to say m8 lmao

[Daewoo_Lanos]

This.


Without being carried. If he wins a ring this year it'll be the first legitimate one of his career. I'm really enjoying watching him finally play like a man. Especially after that pussy ass effort last year.

lol @ this fkn mouth breather

jordan has never played in the finals on a team this bad and has never played in the finals against a team this good. the standards lebron haters place upon him to be GOAT that the GOAT himself wasn't subject to.

[hublife]

lol @ this fkn mouth breather

jordan has never played in the finals on a team this bad and has never played in the finals against a team this good. the standards lebron haters place upon him to be GOAT that the GOAT himself wasn't subject to.

Remember when you disappeared for MONTHS last year after Lebron quit on his team in the finals dropping him to 2-3?


Go take your meds.

[notWilliam]

lol @ this fkn mouth breather

jordan has never played in the finals on a team this bad and has never played in the finals against a team this good. the standards lebron haters place upon him to be GOAT that the GOAT himself wasn't subject to.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you?

[Daewoo_Lanos]

Remember when you disappeared for MONTHS last year after Lebron quit on his team in the finals dropping him to 2-3?


Go take your meds.

I remember going on vacation and then being disinterested in MLB.

strong deflection is strong doe

Just out of curiosity, how old are you?

trade secrets breh

[hublife]

I remember going on vacation and then being disinterested in MLB.

strong deflection is strong doe

I fail to see where I'm deflecting. We're discussing "GOAT" player (assuming this is for a career) and you site the fact that Lebron is having arguably the GOAT Finals performance as the basis for why he's the GOAT for a career.

What he's doing is flat out amazing. I watched last night and could tell he's actually getting better as a player. However, he's still 2-3 in the finals. I still remember him quitting last year. I still remember him being flat out AWFUL in 2011.

If he pulls out a Championship in Cleveland this year and does it a few more times "could" there be an argument in 6-7 years? Of course.

But right now he's still got a ways to go to be in the coversation.

That's my .02 (which means jack chit obviously). I don't know the guy and frankly he seems like a decent dude. My issue with him has always been that he seemed mentally weak and would shrink or defer... this finals he's showing that perhaps that is no longer the case and it's really awesome to see.

[Daewoo_Lanos]

I fail to see where I'm deflecting. We're discussing "GOAT" player (assuming this is for a career) and you site the fact that Lebron is having arguably the GOAT Finals performance as the basis for why he's the GOAT for a career.

What he's doing is flat out amazing. I watched last night and could tell he's actually getting better as a player. However, he's still 2-3 in the finals. I still remember him quitting last year. I still remember him being flat out AWFUL in 2011.

If he pulls out a Championship in Cleveland this year and does it a few more times "could" there be an argument in 6-7 years? Of course.

But right now he's still got a ways to go to be in the coversation.

That's my .02 (which means jack chit obviously). I don't know the guy and frankly he seems like a decent dude. My issue with him has always been that he seemed mentally weak and would shrink or defer... this finals he's showing that perhaps that is no longer the case and it's really awesome to see.

you are the first person I have ever seen accuse Lebron of quitting in the finals last year, and I deal with kobetards on a daily basis. srs.

[NotSureIfCereal]

unless he absolutely chokes the last part of his career, he will go down and the second best of all time

mj dominated every aspect of the nba, individual stats, rings, marketing, etc

if the cavs win this year, it will pretty much cancel out the 2011 choke, so he still needs another finals run to truly rival the GOAT MJ

[hublife]

you are the first person I have ever seen accuse Lebron of quitting in the finals last year, and I deal with kobetards on a daily basis. srs.

Bro...he was down 13 with 7 minutes left and chose to stay on the bench the remainder of the game. He quit.

[dsync]

There is no single GOAT.
GOAT is a crew.
Anyone who's the best player of his era is part of the GOAT crew.

[NotSureIfCereal]

There is no single GOAT.
GOAT is a crew.
Anyone who's the best player of his era is part of the GOAT crew.

that's a good way of looking at it

[truth223]

Just out of curiosity, how old are you?

Not a day over 15 would be my guess.

[ditsy911]

My dad has played, coached, and watched basketball for a long time. His favorite player is Magic Johnson. What he says about who is the GOAT?

"There's no real answer."

He says LeBron is the most gifted player he's seen in his life, even though he doesn't like him at all.

Jordan is the easiest to claim as GOAT, but it's not like he went Gretzky Mode on his sport.

I'm a HUGE LeBron fan. I can't wait to tell my kids that the legend is true. But I don't spend time trying to weigh who is GOAT when it comes to NBA basketball, because it's not obvious. There are too many variables that compound based on the sport's historical environment.

There's no Freddie Mercury in NBA history. There's no Phil Spector either. No Beatles. Just accept it and enjoy the most beautiful sport (IMO and many others') as we get it.

There is no single GOAT.
GOAT is a crew.
Anyone who's the best player of his era is part of the GOAT crew.

Dis.

[Daewoo_Lanos]

Bro...he was down 13 with 7 minutes left and chose to stay on the bench the remainder of the game. He quit.

The cramps in game 1?

You understand that he couldn't move, right? As in full constant lower body muscle contractions.

Delly went to the hospital for the same thing last night.

[BrawnySwoleman]

This.


Without being carried. If he wins a ring this year it'll be the first legitimate one of his career. I'm really enjoying watching him finally play like a man. Especially after that pussy ass effort last year.

lol

[sdballer5588]

The level of play is much higher now.

I used to a firm believer that LBJ would never pass MJ in terms of career legacy, but Im a bit hesitant to say that after watching the first 3 games. We'll see where it goes from here and how LBJ adapts to his declining athleticism.

If this is an example of declining athleticism, I hope I decline for the rest of my life in the same fashion.