Official Israel/Palestine discussion thread

[ZioBot]

There was no such thing "west bank" when Saeb Erekat was born.

At that time, his birth certificate would have said Jordan. It would not have said "Jordanian Illegally Occupied West Bank" lol

[PSUbrah]

There was no such thing "west bank" when Saeb Erekat was born.

Yes there was. He was born in 1955. Jordan began calling their occupied territories West Bank(as in west of the bank)

The name West Bank is a translation of the Arabic term ad-Daffa al-gharbiya,[12] given to the territory west of the Jordan River that fell, in 1948, under occupation and administration by Jordan, which claimed subsequently to have annexed it in 1950.[13] The term was chosen to differentiate the west bank of the River Jordan from the "East Bank" of this river.

The Resolution designated the territory described as "the hill country of Samaria and Judea" (including what is now known as the "West Bank") as part of the proposed Arab state, but following the 1948 Arab-Israeli War this area was captured by Transjordan (renamed Jordan two years after independence in 1946). "West Bank" or "Cisjordan" became the name for the area west of the Jordan River, as "East Bank" or "Transjordan" designated the area east of the river.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bank

As I said in my previous post, Jordan unlike Egypt did not want to give up their respective occupied territories en route to establishing a Palestinian state. That is why unlike Egypt they gave people living in the occupied territories citizenship.

[Oncebitten]

As I said in my previous post, Jordan unlike Egypt did not want to give up their respective occupied territories en route to establishing a Palestinian state. That is why unlike Egypt they gave people living in the occupied territories citizenship.

So the West Bank belonged to Jordon and Gaza belonged to Egypt, but once Israel captured those lands in the 1967 war, the entire area magically became Palestine?

Makes sense.

[PSUbrah]

So the West Bank belonged to Jordon and Gaza belonged to Egypt, but once Israel captured those lands in the 1967 war, the entire area magically became Palestine?

Makes sense.

do you have a response to post 2632? http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...post1292392281 You just negged. My post is well sourced. What warranted the neg in your opinion

"Nice try. Negged."

They belonged to anybody. The occupation were illegal. Only Britain recognized Jordan's occupation. And Egypt made it clear they were only temporarily occupying Gaza..

[Merretto]

Yes there was. He was born in 1955. Jordan began calling their occupied territories West Bank(as in west of the bank)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bank

As I said in my previous post, Jordan unlike Egypt did not want to give up their respective occupied territories en route to establishing a Palestinian state. That is why unlike Egypt they gave people living in the occupied territories citizenship.

You didn't read 12 and 13 did you? lol

[Oncebitten]

They belonged to anybody. The occupation were illegal. Only Britain recognized Jordan's occupation. And Egypt made it clear they were only temporarily occupying Gaza..

Look, I've actually been to Israel (not Jewish), had the chance to spend some time there so I've formed some opinions. I'm all for the Pal's having a homeland, preferably made up of the West Bank and Gaza. But until the Pal's (including Hamas) agree to Israel's right to exist and embrace peace instead of war, none of these other issues really matter. The history, the borders, the past wars, none of it. Both Israel and the Pal's have to want peace and respect each others security needs.

Secondly, Arabs need to be able to live freely in Israel (as they do now) and Jews need to be able to live freely in a Palestinian state.

Basically, there needs to be a cultural change for this to take place.

[TranceNRG]

Why does Obama put up for humiliation for Israel?

"The situation is clearly not in American interests"

[MosheDayan]

How can an 18 year old person living in the US be so brainwashed?

[Harbinger]

How can an 18 year old person living in the US be so brainwashed?

muzzies/arabs are taught from birth to hate teh evil joos. surely you are aware of this.

[MosheDayan]

muzzies/arabs are taught from birth to hate teh evil joos. surely you are aware of this.

Well yes in a way, but in America we generally get the more educated and friendly type, compared to Europe. They should be damn thankful they get to live in America having lots of opportunities compared to where they're from.

[ZioBot]

red alerts going crazy.. 4 rockets in last 10 minutes from Gaza....

[turbjuo]

LOL at this post.

BTW you guys have us beat when it comes to "jewish patrol". The irgun and haganah actually blow sh** up and killed people. Our guys just harrass people.

another prime example of an ignorant talking about things he has no clue of. those two groups didnt kill just innocent "people" like ur arab brothers, but british military soldiers and officers of the british goverment who ordered to capture and jail every jew who opposed the british regime on israeli soil prior to the declaration the israeli state.

"our guys" - too easy of a response so i wont even bother lol

[PSUbrah]

another prime example of an ignorant talking about things he has no clue of. those two groups didnt kill just innocent "people" like ur arab brothers, but british military soldiers and officers of the british goverment who ordered to capture and jail every jew who opposed the british regime on israeli soil prior to the declaration the israeli state.

"our guys" - too easy of a response so i wont even bother lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks

[Merretto]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irgun_attacks

Were Irgun not put together as a direct response to unanswered Arab attacks?

[AA43560]

Were Irgun not put together as a direct response to unanswered Arab attacks?

Where arab attacks not done as a direct response to massive illegal jewish colonization of arab land?

[Merretto]

Where arab attacks not done as a direct response to massive illegal jewish colonization of arab land?

What was illegal about it? What part if it was arab after 1917? Actually which part of it was arab before 1917? Are turkish arabs?

[squanto]

Looking forward to see the mental gymnastics on this one, don't hurt yourself fellas

Israel is set to allow housing communities to discriminate on race, among a bunch of other also insane things

The Israeli Supreme Court Wednesday dismissed various petitions against the Admissions Committees Law, which allows admissions committees in hundreds of communities in Israel to reject housing applicants based on their “social suitability.”

Source: http://972mag.com/contradicting-its-...unities/96817/

[MosheDayan]

Looking forward to see the mental gymnastics on this one, don't hurt yourself fellas

Israel is set to allow housing communities to discriminate on race, among a bunch of other also insane things



Source: http://972mag.com/contradicting-its-...unities/96817/

Meanwhile in neighboring countries you will be murdered just for being a Jew. GTFO seriously.

[PSUbrah]

Meanwhile in neighboring countries you will be murdered just for being a Jew. GTFO seriously.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

Tu quoque (/tuːˈkwoʊkwiː/;[1] Latin for "you, too" or "you, also") or the appeal to hypocrisy is an informal logical fallacy that intends to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position. It attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. This attempts to dismiss opponent's position based on criticism of the opponent's inconsistency and not the position presented.

btw that's not true on a state level

[MosheDayan]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque


btw that's not true on a state level

Spare me the pseudo intelligentsia you're full of **** and you're an anti Semite. Why else would you neg me with the comment "Jew". You know damn well that Israel is the safest place for Jews, Christians and Arabs in the Middle East yet yep ironically you have this irrational hate for Israel. **** it, as far as I'm concerned Israel just needs to annex Gaza and the West Bank, for the better.

I feel disgusted people like you are allowed in our country.

[turbjuo]

Spare me the pseudo intelligentsia you're full of **** and you're an anti Semite. Why else would you neg me with the comment "Jew". You know damn well that Israel is the safest place for Jews, Christians and Arabs in the Middle East yet yep ironically you have this irrational hate for Israel. **** it, as far as I'm concerned Israel just needs to annex Gaza and the West Bank, for the better.

I feel disgusted people like you are allowed in our country.

hes a poor uneducated kid. what do u expect from an 18 year old teenager, half way across the world probably sitting in his parents basement?

[squanto]

Meanwhile in neighboring countries you will be murdered just for being a Jew. GTFO seriously.

Why don't you say something about the policy in question?

Do you think what happens in other countries justifies Israel's behavior? Do you think I should not be able to question policies like that?

[Oncebitten]

How many mosques are there in Isreal?

How many synagogues are there in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Egypt, Tunisa, Yemen, Afganistan, Pakistan and Algeria combined?

Spare us the discrimination argument.

[ZioBot]

Elder's series on Fake Civilians is brilliant.. more and more lies being unearthed, which is shocking i tell you, shocking.

http://elderofziyon.blogspot.co.uk/s...4#.VBw-PFcXPk0

[PSUbrah]

How many mosques are there in Isreal?

How many synagogues are there in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Egypt, Tunisa, Yemen, Afganistan, Pakistan and Algeria combined?

Spare us the discrimination argument.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

Tu quoque (/tuːˈkwoʊkwiː/;[1] Latin for "you, too" or "you, also") or the appeal to hypocrisy is an informal logical fallacy that intends to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position. It attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. This attempts to dismiss opponent's position based on criticism of the opponent's inconsistency and not the position presented.

Is Yemen Palestine? Is KSA Palestine? Is Algeria Palestine? Is Tunisia Palestine ? etc. No! You might as well bring up what China does to discredit Palestine. The actions of these external nations have no relevance to the topic at hand.

There are indeed churches in Palestine and there are indeed synagogues in the occupied territories.

[aRCaNEbrah]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque



Is Yemen Palestine? Is KSA Palestine? Is Algeria Palestine? Is Tunisia Palestine ? etc. No! You might as well bring up what China does to discredit Palestine. The actions of these external nations have no relevance to the topic at hand.

There are indeed churches in Palestine and there are indeed synagogues in the occupied territories.

is palestine palestine? is israel palestine? is a non sequitur palestine?

thanks for dodging yet again

teen misc ------->

[Oncebitten]

There are indeed churches in Palestine and there are indeed synagogues in the occupied territories.

Churches? Who said anything about churches? I said synagogues. How many synagogues have the Pal's allowed in Gaza?

I realize you're only 18 and going to a state school in rural Pennsylvania, but do try and keep up. This isn't that difficult.

[PSUbrah]

Churches? Who said anything about churches? I said synagogues. How many synagogues have the Pal's allowed in Gaza?

I realize you're only 18 and going to a state school in rural Pennsylvania, but do try and keep up. This isn't that difficult.

lol PSU Schreyer >>>whatever **** school you went to
we #37 in the nation fuk boy

[AA43560]

How many mosques are there in Isreal?

How many synagogues are there in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Egypt, Tunisa, Yemen, Afganistan, Pakistan and Algeria combined?

Spare us the discrimination argument.

Probably because 90 percent of those mosques where there before the colonizers arrived.

[Oncebitten]

Probably because 90 percent of those mosques where there before the colonizers arrived.

Even is that's the case, Muslims are free to practice Islam in Isreal and the Muslim holy sites are respected and even protected by the Israeli authorities.

Not so in the West Bank and Gaza...