Stupid question about Coconut Oil

[Dr. Horse]

Now keep hateing me and telling me that im wrong because I didn't agree with every body builders view on saturated fats.

It's not about "body builders" views. It's about the growing belief in the scientific community that MCTs are beneficial. There is pretty good epidemiological data showing that populations with a high intake of coconut oil have a low incidence of atherosclerosis and ischemic heart disease.

[CHEEF]

not excatly related but of use and good info

and dood keep hating what you eat like a girl u look like one

the Biggest Culprit in the Heart Disease Pandemic ? 4 Ways to Avoid It


? 2006 Shane Ellison, M.Sc.
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New Mexico 87507
United States


One minute you are enjoying a stroll in the park and the next you feel as if an elephant just stepped on you. Clutching your chest and violently gasping for air, you suffer the eventual outcome of heart disease: a heart attack. This year alone, this silent killer will catch up to over a million Americans. Each and every one of them will die prematurely from this unfortunate scenario. Worldwide, it will kill more people than any other affliction. This can be stopped.

The underlying cause of a heart attack is narrowing of the arteries. The process is known medically as atherosclerosis. Beating a dead horse, cardiologists confidently describe atherosclerosis as a plumbing problem: Fat and cholesterol-laden gunk gradually builds up within the arteries. If this build-up (plaque) grows thick enough, it eventually plugs an affected "pipe." This prevents nutrients and oxygen-rich blood from reaching its intended tissue (technically known as ischemia). Blood-starved tissue dies. When a part of the cardiac muscle or the brain is affected, a heart attack or stroke occurs.

In 2004, Time magazine told the world that there's just one problem with the cholesterol hypothesis: "sometimes it's dead wrong." More than half of the people who suffer from heart attacks have "low cholesterol." And "high" cholesterol (300-350mg/dL) is a natural and healthy part of aging. The higher total blood cholesterol the longer people live. Targeting this natural phenomenon, drug companies have convinced people otherwise ? while profiting immensely.

If fat and cholesterol were the culprit in heart disease due to their ability to "plug the pipes," then these ubiquitous substances would clog the entire 100,000 miles of adult veins, arteries and capillaries. Instead, 90% of the time, heart disease is caused by the narrowing of the spaghetti-sized coronary arteries ? those that rest over the heart. The rest of the cardiovascular system that nourishes the body remains perfectly healthy despite being rich in cholesterol and fat. This common sense observation renders the cholesterol and fat theory of heart disease obsolete. If you want to avoid feeling like an elephant is crushing your chest, look beyond cholesterol.

Coronary arteries bear little resemblance to pipes. Instead, they are made up of muscle sandwiched between two "structural" layers. When the muscle of arteries becomes inflamed "atherosclerosis" or heart disease can set in. This is initiated by damage to the innermost structural layer that faces the bloodstream. Science has made great strides in identifying what causes damage to this layer.

Aside from smoking, the biggest culprit in today's heart attack pandemic is high blood sugar. It leads to a condition known as insulin resistance or early Type-II diabetes. Suicide in slow motion, insulin resistance causes blood sugar to float in the blood longer than it should. Muscle no longer vacuums it from the bloodstream. Over time, blood sugar reacts with amino acids floating nearby. The product of this reaction is a Swiss Army knife termed advance glycated end (AGE) product.

AGE products cut and stab deep into structural layers of coronary arteries. Medically, this is termed glycation. The slicing and dicing explains why diabetics have four times the risk of heart attack relative to non-diabetics. Overcome with high blood sugar, they face the butchering process of AGE products.

Coronary arteries are most susceptible to AGE products due to the mechanical stress in the region (heart beat). As the heart beats, the structural layer, being made up of collagen and elastin, becomes sensitive to them. Arteries not subject to mechanical stress do not expose the structural layer as readily. Therefore, they are not as sensitive to the butchering.

Damage caused by AGE products leads to "crosslinking." Once crosslinking occurs, supple, healthy, coronary arteries become rigid ? the same thing can happen to skin. This is where the name atherosclerosis was derived. The term combines two Greek words, athere (porridge) and sclerosis (hardening).

Crosslinking causes the body's natural repair mechanism to take over. The inflammation cascade begins. This is an age-old immunological defense mechanism. Among the smooth muscle of coronary arteries, inflammation acts as nature's band aid. Plaque can be the end result.

Inflammation and plaque causes the cavity that allows blood flow through the arteries to become narrow ? occlusion occurs. The whole process of glycation, crosslinking and inflammation can begin as early as three years of age!

Fortunately, narrowing of coronary arteries is not a death sentence. Arteries do not become swollen so much that it shrinks the bloodstream to a pinpoint. And healthy arteries have the ability to accommodate for the inflammation by "relaxing" or dilating. This ensures that blood flow continues without interruption ? and that heart disease goes unnoticed.

This protection of dilation is primarily dependent on the short-lived molecule known as nitric oxide. Scientists Robert F. Furchgott, PhD, Louis J. Ignarro, PhD, and Ferid Murad, MD, PhD received the Nobel Prize for the paramount discovery concerning nitric oxide. Without this essential molecule, excessive narrowing of arteries can manifest into hypertension, poor circulation, erectile dysfunction and decreased tolerance to exercise.

Nutritional approaches such as l-arginine and grape seed extract that maximize nitric oxide have proven to be a bonanza for heart disease patients who want to curb their annoying symptoms of heart disease naturally.

Most heart attacks and strokes creep up on victims when inflammation goes haywire. This is typical among Americans because inflammation-causing sugar has become a dominant ingredient in their food. Consequently, what should be temporary for healing becomes long-term and deadly. The overly aggressive inflammation cascade causes plaque (nature's band aid) to rupture. This rupturing triggers the emergence of a blood clot (thrombus).

The combination of narrow arteries and a blood clot causes a person's fate to become sealed, along with their coronary arteries. This prevents blood from reaching downstream to the heart and/or brain. The condition is known as "ischemia." Deprived of blood and oxygen, a heart attack or stroke is the outcome. The elephant is standing on its victim.

In summary, heart disease is not a disease of clogged pipes due to cholesterol and fat. It is a disease of glycation, crosslinking, inflammation and more inflammation. The inflammation occurs within ? not on ? arterial walls. Today, it is typically the result of high blood sugar.

Understanding this working model of heart disease has highlighted a wildly effective way to prevent the pandemic killer: Control blood sugar. Aside from cinnamon, proper sunshine and green tea, other methods of controlling blood sugar have been discovered:

1. Interval training can lower blood sugar by up to 40%. To put it into perspective, the commonly prescribed Metformin does so by a paltry 19% while putting users at risk of obesity, if they can tolerate the constant vomiting and diarrhea!

2. Nutritional supplementation with magnesium (400 mg/day) was found to improve high blood sugar among elderly individuals. Research shows that a magnesium deficiency inhibits insulin from escorting glucose out of the bloodstream into muscles. The end result is insulin resistance and an increased risk of heart attack. Magnesium aspartate has shown to be the best absorbed form of magnesium.

3. Tannic acid from banaba mimics the actions of insulin by eliciting glucose transport from the blood stream into muscle. The safe and effective blood-sugar lowering effect of tannic acid has caught the attention of Big Pharma. Many drug companies are working rigorously to create a synthetic knock-off.

4. Increasing fiber intake with a tablespoon of psyllium husk prevents dangerous spikes in blood sugar after a meal.

Controlling blood sugar has become the absolute hottest area of research. Not only does it suggest a single way of ameliorating heart disease, but also a host of other diseases caused by high blood sugar. These include but are not limited to diabetes, cancer and even Alzheimer's! Instead of dosing patients up with a handful of drugs to treat a handful of diseases, controlling blood sugar naturally is one remedy for all three!

References available by request.

About the Author

Shane holds a Master's degree in organic chemistry and has first-hand industry experience with drug research, design and synthesis. With his keen ability to sift through scientific literature and weed out fact from fiction, Shane has empowered thousands to assert their health freedom by saying "no" to prescription drugs.

[Blashy]

I did do my reasearch while coconut oil is benificial to you. Yes but its high in saturated fat. Which is not good.

Keep reading then because you obviously are not aware that not all saturated fats are the same.

Coconut oil saturated fat is EXTREMELY healthy for you, you can easily ingest 2-3 tablespoons a day and it will help you tremendously.

People actually loose weight when using this fat and the sat fat is made of MCTs which are very healthy.

Best place to buy it is from tropicaltraditions. com best priced and organic.

[Zachary53088]

It's not about "body builders" views. It's about the growing belief in the scientific community that MCTs are beneficial. There is pretty good epidemiological data showing that populations with a high intake of coconut oil have a low incidence of atherosclerosis and ischemic heart disease.

So you are saying teh small amount of saturated fat out weighs teh extreme nutritional benefits of the coconut oil?

Is theres MCTs in anything else? I have not heard much about these MCTS

[Blashy]

I still do not agree with teh saturated fat in coconut oil being good for you. I need more scentific evidence to support that done by trusted solid sorces.

Yet you blindly beleive that saturated fat when there is not ONE conclusive study that it is. It is a hypothesis that came about from one politically connected scientist in the 60s and it stuck.

Saturated fat from dairy, meat or cocunut oil is very healthy for the body and essential.

[FitzChivalry]

Ask a simple question, get a great thread.

[Dr. Horse]

So you are saying teh small amount of saturated fat out weighs teh extreme nutritional benefits of the coconut oil?

Is theres MCTs in anything else? I have not heard much about these MCTS

1. The MCTs ARE the saturated fats.

2. Your language skills are reprehensible.

[Blashy]

So you are saying teh small amount of saturated fat out weighs teh extreme nutritional benefits of the coconut oil?

Is theres MCTs in anything else? I have not heard much about these MCTS

The saturated fat in coconut oil IS that was healthy for you. It is a fat made of medium chain triglicerids.

You really need to read allot more about the benefits of fats. So far I find this is the best article on the whole subject of saturate fats, short and easy to understand.

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyour...at-attack.html good reading .

[CHEEF]

Yet you blindly beleive that saturated fat when there is not ONE conclusive study that it is. It is a hypothesis that came about from one politically connected scientist in the 60s and it stuck.

Saturated fat from dairy, meat or cocunut oil is very healthy for the body and essential.

x2 also it has other benefits like its thermogenic which can help with fat loss amongst other things

[Zachary53088]

Yet you blindly beleive that saturated fat when there is not ONE conclusive study that it is. It is a hypothesis that came about from one politically connected scientist in the 60s and it stuck.

Saturated fat from dairy, meat or cocunut oil is very healthy for the body and essential.

Im loking up stuff on pub med right now.

[Aindreas]

BULL **** MY ASS!

Strong supporting arguments.

[Sibrek]

BULL **** MY ASS! Benifits of saturated fats.
Im done this is crazy.
If saturated fat is so benifiting than half teh country would not be fatasses. thsi is ****ing nuts. You are crazy. Im sorry but right now I am laughing.
XD

I'm reporting you.

[Zachary53088]

The saturated fat in coconut oil IS that was healthy for you. It is a fat made of medium chain triglicerids.

You really need to read allot more about the benefits of fats. So far I find this is the best article on the whole subject of saturate fats, short and easy to understand.

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyour...at-attack.html good reading .

This is what I was saying there is not enough research done on this just to prove that. Yes there are studies that show some saturated fatty acids have important bilogical roles. As explained here but they also explain it needs to be ASSESED

PURPOSE OF REVIEW: This review summarizes recent findings on the biological functions of saturated fatty acids. Some of these findings suggest that saturated fatty acids may have important and specific regulatory roles in the cells. Until now these roles have largely been outweighed by the negative impact of dietary saturated fatty acids on atherosclerosis biomarkers. Elucidated biochemical mechanisms like protein acylation (N-myristoylation, S-palmitoylation) and putative physiological roles are described. RECENT FINDINGS: The review will focus on the following topics: new aspects on the metabolism of saturated fatty acids; recent reports on the biochemical functions of saturated fatty acids; current investigations on the physiological roles (elucidated and putative) of saturated fatty acids; and a discussion of the nutritional dietary recommendations (amounts and types) of saturated fatty acids. SUMMARY: Dietary saturated fatty acids are usually associated with negative consequences for human health. Experimental results on the relationship between doses, physiological effects, specificities and functions of individual saturated fatty acids are, however, conflicting. In this context, this review describes emerging recent evidence that some saturated fatty acids have important and specific biological roles. Such data are needed to allow a balanced view in terms of potential nutritional benefits of saturated fatty acids, and, if necessary, reassessment of the current nutritional dietary recommendations.

They do not have the data yet to fully support that.
Therefore I do not believe it.
There ha snot been enough extensive scientific research on that possibility fro me to believ it yet.

But you guys could be 100% right I just haft to see teh evidence first. CONCRETE EVIDENCE
ill give the coconut oil a try I dont see any harm in it. Maybe just maybe it will help. I never tryed it yet so ill have yet to see. Until tehn I wil read more of what you guys have given me. And do more further extensive research on peoples finds.

[FitzChivalry]

Having found some coconut oil, is there any reason why this is better than just getting the shredded unsweetened actual coconut? It's cheaper than the oil or do things get "broken" down in the process of the other?

[Dr. Horse]

Having found some coconut oil, is there any reason why this is better than just getting the shredded unsweetened actual coconut? It's cheaper than the oil or do things get "broken" down in the process of the other?

Shredded coconut is delicious and full of fiber. It's very healthy if it's not sweetened. However, it is not very fatty, if that is what you are looking for.

An analogy would be eating olives for the benefits of olive oil. You'd have to eat a lot...

[FitzChivalry]

Ahh, thank you, I get plenty of fats besides and 3 tbsp equals the amount of 1 tbsp of oil at 3 dollars cheaper. I shall have to check again and see if it will last as long, though. It may not be cheaper in the end.

[Cuchulainn]

Okay, where is everybody getting this stuff at? I've been to Meijer's and they don't have it by the other oils. I found some coconut milk near the asian section but that's about it. Maybe I am looking in the wrong place?

I know of a website that sells coconut oil.






FWIW I used to take coconut oil. I have since changed to UDO's 3-6-9 and have not looked back.


Also, this is a little off topic, I noticed this is the coconut thread. Anyone ever try Coconut Water? Greatest cure for hangovers ever invented.

[djansen]

I still do not agree with teh saturated fat in coconut oil being good for you. I need more scentific evidence to support that done by trusted solid sorces.

Yet you eat sweet potatoes (as your thread states) dont they have sugar? isnt sugar bad? how could the sugar in sweet potatoes be good? same with the sat fat in coconut oil, do some research and you will see its benifts.