Ask me anything fitness related (srs) (17k reps for legit questions I can't answer)

[DDon1996]

Why is IIFYM useful to a natural or even possible physique/lower level NPC competitive bodybuilder, but is rendered almost useless to pro level bodybuilders?

Any successful pro bodybuilder does follow the concept of IIFYM.

butthurt ******* is butthurt
das it mane

Y u a hatur dawg?

Hey DDon, quick question please. If i eat 1k calories over maintenance or 300 whats the dif. obviously more calories you consume
the more bodyfat you put on but do you gain more muscle aswell?or is there like a certain cap at which you only put on this much calories with
however much surplus you have for e.g +300 surplus is the max muscle you gain, so 1k calories is just pure bf after 300?Thanks man!

You gain more muscle but the law of diminishing returns applies heavily. Meaning (don't read into these numbers) if you eat 100 Cal over maintenance, 90 Cal will lend itself to muscle growth. If you eat 500 Cal over maintenance, 250 Cal will lend itself to muscle growth. If you eat 1000 Cal over maintenance, 350 Cal will lend itself to muscle growth, etc.

[Karim1997]

Ey bro, I want to learn to Sumo Deadlift, because I'm now scared of conventional deadlifts because I pulled my left lat. So could you either explain to me the grip placement, feet placement, hip height and what not, or could you link a well explained video. Also could you explain how do you know whether sumo or conventional is better for your own body mechanics. Thanks

[CodyChan]

Sweet, I got negged by a non-lifter asking how to pose back muscles.

Anyways, no IIFYM is useless to a "pro" with the additional increase of specific bodybuilding drugs, such as insulin though there are many more, which negate the need/break many of the rules of IIFYM.

There's still much left for you kiddos to learn. I'll return to my home forum for now.

[DDon1996]

Ey bro, I want to learn to Sumo Deadlift, because I'm now scared of conventional deadlifts because I pulled my left lat. So could you either explain to me the grip placement, feet placement, hip height and what not, or could you link a well explained video. Also could you explain how do you know whether sumo or conventional is better for your own body mechanics. Thanks

No point in being scared of deadlifts because you pulled your lat lol. Look up Chris Duffin, I think he has some good informative sumo videos. You can measure your arm/torso length and develop a ratio, or you can pull conv and sumo and decide which you are stronger at.

Sweet, I got negged by a non-lifter asking how to pose back muscles.

Anyways, no IIFYM is useless to a "pro" with the additional increase of specific bodybuilding drugs, such as insulin though there are many more, which negate the need/break many of the rules of IIFYM.

There's still much left for you kiddos to learn. I'll return to my home forum for now.

l0lwut.... Do you even know what insulin is/does?

Brb pinned 5 IUs of insulin, don't even need protein now.

Edit: Oh, and protip... A lot of your GSF gawds learned a lot of their gear knowledge from me. Kissies brah.

[kingppoppy]

hello brotha, couple things.

- what do you think is my estimated body fat % [im 6 ft and 182 lbs fresh in the morning] ?
- What weight should i bulk to?
- what areas should I focus on (I was thinking upper pics) ?
- Any comments?

been lifting for 4 and a half months, cheers

edit: forgot to mention pics have no pumps

[CodyChan]

You're assuming I don't know what I'm talking about, but good luck with your putting words in my mouth goals of 2014.

Insulin was all that was mentioned.

The elitist mentality around here is very strong with the help of a little green bar I suggest to anyone who has serious goals to venture elsewhere in pursuit of said goals.

[kingppoppy]

oops soz pic above wouldnt work so i tried to put it here and fixed error

[DDon1996]

hello brotha, couple things.

- what do you think is my estimated body fat % [im 6 ft and 182 lbs fresh in the morning] ?
- What weight should i bulk to?
- what areas should I focus on (I was thinking upper pics) ?
- Any comments?

been lifting for 4 and a half months, cheers

edit: forgot to mention pics have no pumps

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Roughly low teens BF. Bulk to 200+. Focus on everything. Keep training and eating hard.

You're assuming I don't know what I'm talking about, but good luck with your putting words in my mouth goals of 2014.

Insulin was all that was mentioned.

The elitist mentality around here is very strong with the help of a little green bar I suggest to anyone who has serious goals to venture elsewhere in pursuit of said goals.

I'm not assuming. It's evident that you don't know what you're talking about- you believe IIFYM is invalidated due to insulin... you said that very explicitly.

I'm also not sure if you understand what elitist means.... Me imparting what I've learned to others doesn't make me an elitist, nor does me disagreeing with false information.

[CodyChan]

I guess you could say I'm a GSF gawd and I've yet to hear of you tbh, but if you're ever down for serious, friendly chats that aren't allowed around here, you know where to find me.

[CodyChan]

It's not just insulin. I said insulin as I knew it would be view able still. That is why I referenced lower level NPC/Physique guys in there too. There is a level at which it becomes irrelevant with the addition of a multitude of drugs. This is what I implied and thought you'd get, but you seem hung up solely on insulin.

[DDon1996]

It's not just insulin. I said insulin as I knew it would be view able still. That is why I referenced lower level NPC/Physique guys in there too. There is a level at which it becomes irrelevant with the addition of a multitude of drugs. This is what I implied and thought you'd get, but you seem hung up solely on insulin.

Okay, allow me to clarify. No amount of ANY peptide, steroid, or other PED will invalidate the concept(s) of IIFYM. It may alter what exactly that M is (a certain uncoupling agent comes to mind that would significantly alter it, for example), but it doesn't make the concept(s) invalid. To simplify- one can not take any amount of "x" that would lead to them not requiring any caloric (or protein) intake.

[CodyChan]

Okay, allow me to clarify. No amount of ANY peptide, steroid, or other PED will invalidate the concept(s) of IIFYM. It may alter what exactly that M is (a certain uncoupling protein comes to mind that would significantly alter it, for example), but it doesn't make the concept(s) invalid. To simplify- one can not take any amount of "x" that would lead to them not requiring any caloric (or protein) intake.

There will always be a point at which it is measurable, yes you're correct, but at what point does it become unreasonable to equate individual macro intake, especially when the amount of room for play is considerably larger in certain aspects.

Largely rendering it useless.

[CodyChan]

For anyone reading this, follow IIFYM.

This is just for debate's sake and I found someone who can be debated with on this site. IIFYM is what you should follow, I am in no way bashing it and you will get the best results tracking and reaching your daily macro intake.

[DDon1996]

There will always be a point at which it is measurable, yes you're correct, but at what point does it become unreasonable to equate individual macro intake, especially when the amount of room for play is considerably larger in certain aspects.

Largely rendering it useless.

At what point it becomes unreasonable isn't dictated solely by drugs- there are natty lifts who have a caloric maintenance of upwards of 6-7k Cal... For them it could also be considered unreasonable to dictate individual macronutrient intakes because of absolute volume of calories needed as well as the range of macronutrient(s) required... But that still doesn't invalidate IIFYM as a CONCEPT. You're thinking of it in a manner that is concrete as opposed to abstract. Looking at it in that sense- yes it's useless for a pro bodybuilding to have goals such as 123 Carbs, 234 Fats, and 345 Protein for the aforementioned reasons- but it doesn't make the ideology (get a certain amount of protein, carbohydrate, and fat) useless or incorrect... They still must adhere to that like any natural lifter (albeit with a much more lax approach).



Edit: Based on the post(s) immediately above this one- I'm now getting the impression that what you were really suggesting is that pro bodybuilders get very little use out of TRACKING and hitting SPECIFIC macros. In which case I would agree whole-heartedly.

[CodyChan]

At what point it becomes unreasonable isn't dictated solely by drugs- there are natty lifts who have a caloric maintenance of upwards of 6-7k Cal... For them it could also be considered unreasonable to dictate individual macronutrient intakes because of absolute volume of calories needed as well as the range of macronutrient(s) required... But that still doesn't invalidate IIFYM as a CONCEPT. You're thinking of it in a manner that is concrete as opposed to abstract. Looking at it in that sense- yes it's useless for a pro bodybuilding to have goals such as 123 Carbs, 234 Fats, and 345 Protein for the aforementioned reasons- but it doesn't make the ideology (get a certain amount of protein, carbohydrate, and fat) useless or incorrect... They still must adhere to that like any natural lifter (albeit with a much more lax approach).

No, no, no.... lol. Not a concrete thought at all. You finally gave me the answer I was looking to see if you knew and you seem to have a general idea, though haven't grasped the complete thought to it, or you're still assuming I'm taking a certain stance/don't know what I'm talking about and therefor haven't delved completely into an unbiased response, but this is good enough.

[DDon1996]

No, no, no.... lol. Not a concrete thought at all. You finally gave me the answer I was looking to see if you knew and you seem to have a general idea, though haven't grasped the complete thought to it, or you're still assuming I'm taking a certain stance/don't know what I'm talking about and therefor haven't delved completely into an unbiased response, but this is good enough.

You have to be taking a certain stance... Not only because in your second post you clearly took a stance ("IIFYM is useless to a 'pro'") but also because you can't have a debate without having a stance to argue for/against (and you also clearly said this was a debate ). If you weren't referring to the concrete act of tracking than I don't know what you're referring to- but the concept(s) of IIFYM still holds true regardless of drug use.


Edit: Actually for the sake of curiosity, and for the potential to clear up any miscommunication, how are you defining IIFYM for this discussion?

[CodyChan]

Of course I'm taking a stance, but I believe you misinterpreted the stance I was approaching at the time.

This was not a question in which to bash IIFYM from, though I later clarified that above, but just something to see if you could answer it (an idea based from the title of the thread).

These priniciples hold true, but at what point can application become so loose that it needs not to apply in a common sense anymore But you're good to go. I haven't been on these forums in some time and logged back on for a few days to check things out. No doubt a decent place to obtain basic knowledge in the pursuit of simplistic goals, but if you're looking to advance knowledge and possibly you're physique further you must seek out that knowledge, which I believe has trapped a few here. No worries.

[Botham]

I've been following SS, managed to pull 120kg x 5 today, and have up until now been adding 5kg per session. I was grinding on the last 2 reps, should I just drop down to adding 2.5kg now, or should I try and continue the 5kg progression

[CodyChan]

Edit* lol

[SamSix]

Firstly an ad hominem jest... l0l Blaha..

Secondly, I just wasted 7 minutes watching a video that had nothing to do with your question in the slightest.

i asked if meat is a source of creatine . which in fact it isn't at all. phosphocreatine is what is found in meat. not creatine itself. you are wrong. give me my reps.

[DDon1996]

Of course I'm taking a stance, but I believe you misinterpreted the stance I was approaching at the time.

This was not a question in which to bash IIFYM from, though I later clarified that above, but just something to see if you could answer it (an idea based from the title of the thread).

These priniciples hold true, but at what point can application become so loose that it needs not to apply in a common sense anymore But you're good to go. I haven't been on these forums in some time and logged back on for a few days to check things out. No doubt a decent place to obtain basic knowledge in the pursuit of simplistic goals, but if you're looking to advance knowledge and possibly you're physique further you must seek out that knowledge, which I believe has trapped a few here. No worries.

Definitely at the beginning we had significant misinterpretation hahaha.

Firstly- let me say that you're correct/I agree with what you're saying... But the key words here are "application" and "common" sense, both of which are referencing the concrete aspect of IIFYM (eg the application of tracking 100 carbs a day would be the most common sense of IIFYM). I approached the question from an absolute/conceptual point of view (eg if you take enough of x, you no longer are required to consume a certain amount of protein), in which case I would disagree with the stance that IIFYM is useless (although now it is apparent that this is not the stance you took in terms of concepts).

There are two keys to this forum (or any other) :

1) Know who to listen to and who to ignore. The rep system on this site is a horrendous failure of this idea... I've personally gotten all of my reps strictly from helping people and logs- stemming from Alan and Emma and Layne (which still doesn't equate to knowledge in any sense). But a majority of reps are just from rep trading for teh lulz... Reps are dumber than dog**** tbqh- you have to critically think a bit to figure out who is pants-on-head retarded and who isn't.

2) Even if you know who to listen to- don't take their word as gospel. Even when I talk to a guy like PA or AA (both of whom I have the utmost respect for) I don't follow what they say like I'm a damn sheep... I analyze what he said, do my own research, and form my own conclusions. People are too incapable of learning things on their own. Like your closing statement- a forum is NOT the place to learn in-depth information, it's a place to get started on your quest for knowledge.

[albino2727]

Am I a gawd or am I just a mod

[DDon1996]

I dunno, but you one of my nigguhs doe.

I've been following SS, managed to pull 120kg x 5 today, and have up until now been adding 5kg per session. I was grinding on the last 2 reps, should I just drop down to adding 2.5kg now, or should I try and continue the 5kg progression

Continue until failure- then reset and attempt the same weight. Then you should consider dropping the rate of increase.

i asked if meat is a source of creatine . which in fact it isn't at all. phosphocreatine is what is found in meat. not creatine itself. you are wrong. give me my reps.

Meat is a source of creatine... Phosphorylated creatine still contains creatine (PCr hydrolyzes into... creatine). Meat is not a source of creatine monohydrate, which is another source of creatine.

Please remember that Blaha has made his name (and his money) off of controversy- not off of putting out accurate information (although he is technically right- he intentionally was a tricksy hobbitses to get views and stir up ****).

[letsdothisbro]

Asking on behalf of someone because I personally don't know the answer:

"So when you lift weights, you tear down muscle and it grows back bigger and stronger right?

So on a cut, when the muscle fibre tears, then what happens?

Considering you can't get any bigger in a deficit."

[albino2727]

I dunno

I did it

Praise be

[DDon1996]

Asking on behalf of someone because I personally don't know the answer:

"So when you lift weights, you tear down muscle and it grows back bigger and stronger right?

So on a cut, when the muscle fibre tears, then what happens?

Considering you can't get any bigger in a deficit."

That's a gross oversimplification of how muscles hypertrophy... The process at the cellular level is so immensely complex and multifactorial that just saying "it grows back bigger" doesn't leave any room for explaining subtle differences. Basically a lot of the factors that contribute to muscle hypertrophy are downregulated when in a caloric deficit (hormones, various kinases, satellite activity, etc). Your body still works as hard as it is able to repair the tissue, but it (in most circumstances) isn't able to repair/build it fully- hence catabolism.

I did it

Praise be

Caught me with my pants down brah. GJDM.

[letsdothisbro]

I did it

Praise be

lmao I just realized what happened


and thanks Don

[DDon1996]

lmao I just realized what happened


and thanks Don

Yeah I didn't realize until after that post l0l. No problem brah. Did you just text me or is that someone else?

[albino2727]

I did not think I would get reps for that lol

Ty

[DDon1996]

I did not think I would get reps for that lol

Ty

Kekeke, more reps for making me lul than for stumping me... Although you did get me good.