Was Myfusion "Elite" just a way for Gaspari to increase price???

[Impregnator]

half scoop protean+half scoop myo.
how would that taste?

[VaughnTrue]

half scoop protean+half scoop myo.
how would that taste?

depends on what flavors you used, but probably pretty awesome.

their pb cookie dough sounds amazing...1 scoop of that + 1 scoop of our chocolate truffle should pair very nicely.

I bet VMS + their milk chocolate would go very well together

[BlueRev]

No I don't think that

However the peak was over a year ago and prices are still being increased citing increased raw materials prices

Increasing your prices citing increased protein raw material prices in the middle of a modest pullback in protein prices makes no sense because:

-If your contract was locked in, your price wouldn't be going up
-If your contract was being renewed, your price should in fact be going down

You think that's the only thing in the process that costs money?
How about gas prices to transport it?

[ghettocandyman]

ON and ProNom on sale very often. $32 for ProNom the other day + free shipping ON often can be had for around $40-$41 for 5lbs.

man I seen that, I only bought one of each tho....so mad I didn't buy more

[VaughnTrue]

You think that's the only thing in the process that costs money?
How about gas prices to transport it?

petroleum prices effects not only shipping, but containers are well(plastic comes from oil).

Tub prices have skyrocketed for the larger tubs in the past 2 years

[BlueRev]

petroleum prices effects not only shipping, but containers are well(plastic comes from oil).

Tub prices have skyrocketed for the larger tubs in the past 2 years

Ikr

[De__eB]

You think that's the only thing in the process that costs money?
How about gas prices to transport it?

Gas prices are responsible for 10-20%+ increases in protein prices for 20% smaller tubs of protein that contain less actual protein due to the taurine/glycine debacle?

Cmon.

The numbers simply don't add up to anything but trying to increase profit margins.

Myofusion Probiotic - 5 lbs - 49.99 - no glycine

Myofusion elite - 4 lbs - 47.99 - uses glycine among other free form amino acids

[BlueRev]

Gas prices are responsible for 10-20%+ increases in protein prices for 20% smaller tubs of protein that contain less actual protein due to the taurine/glycine debacle?

Cmon.

The numbers simply don't add up to anything but trying to increase profit margins.

Myofusion Probiotic - 5 lbs - 49.99 - no glycine

Myofusion elite - 4 lbs - 47.99 - uses glycine among other free form amino acids

I know some companies that break even on protein, they keep it in their line literally just to have "more" in their product lines

If you think protein companies are out to get your pennies go buy chicken.
Idk what else to tell you

So many factors that effect protein and it takes years for the prices to drop once up.
With anything.

[Joe D]

I'm sure that when you go to the supermarket, you clearly see how much food has gone up. As someone in the food service industry, the price of food has skyrocketed with no end in sight. There are even fuel surcharges on gas for deliveries. Everybody is getting hit.

[cjwav34]

It's only going to get worse if the droughts from the last couple years continue. Pepper your angus'.

[Bliptrip]

Simple math here:

Gaspari Myofusion Elite 4lb Chocolate @ $47.23 BB.com price

25g "protein" X 49 servings = 1225g "protein" per bucket = $.038 per gram of "protein", assuming it is not cut with glycine/taurine.

Allmax Isoflex 5lb Chocolate @ $87.99 BB.com price

27g protein X 75 servings = 2025g protein per bucket = $0.43 per gram protein

That's a pretty small price difference at about 12%.


Let's take it a bit further and assume that the Myofusion Elite is actually 20g protein that is fluffed with an additional 5g taurine/glycine to make the listed 25g protein per serving. I would love to have any of the well connected Gaspari reps come in here and correct me on this, but that probably ain't gonna happen. I have a feeling my 5g estimate is generously low..

Taking the 20g actual protein into account instead of the labeled 25, redoing the math brings the per gram price of Myofusion Elite up to $.048.

Get that? Per gram of actual "uncut" protein, Myofusion Elite is probably MORE expensive than Isoflex!

In addition, Isoflex does not have the 280mg sodium per serving that Myofusion Elite does, Isoflex is free of partially hydrogenated vegetable oils, and has less than 2mg cholesterol to the 45mg of Myofusion Elite. Even if the Myofusion 25g protein serving is a true uncut 25g, I will happily pay 12% more for a more ethically labeled product.

[AntM1564]

petroleum prices effects not only shipping, but containers are well(plastic comes from oil).

Tub prices have skyrocketed for the larger tubs in the past 2 years

I know this wouldn't solve the issue, but do you see companies switching from plastic containers to bags? I think it would be a good idea, I doubt most people recycle all of their containers anyways.

[VaughnTrue]

I know this wouldn't solve the issue, but do you see companies switching from plastic containers to bags? I think it would be a good idea, I doubt most people recycle all of their containers anyways.

many already are.

We are planning on releasing 2 products in bags in the 2013 year that would have normally been placed in tubs.

[deserusan]

Simple economics. Inputs (whey and cow feed) and transportation costs (diesel fuel) increase over time. Demand increases over time. Product prices increase over time. Myofusion was introduced in on Nov/Dec 2008. These graphs spell it out why Elite is more expensive than the original version. Thanks in advance.

[VaughnTrue]

Simple economics. Inputs (whey and cow feed) and transportation costs (diesel fuel) increase over time. Demand increases over time. Product prices increase over time. Myofusion was introduced in on Nov/Dec 2008. These graphs spell it out why Elite is more expensive than the original version. Thanks in advance.

[AntM1564]

many already are.

We are planning on releasing 2 products in bags in the 2013 year that would have normally been placed in tubs.

I think this is a good move environmentally. I'm not a tree huger hippie or anything like that, but just by looking around my neighborhood, most people do not recycle which is disheartening.

[De__eB]

Simple economics. Inputs (whey and cow feed) and transportation costs (diesel fuel) increase over time. Demand increases over time. Product prices increase over time. Myofusion was introduced in on Nov/Dec 2008. These graphs spell it out why Elite is more expensive than the original version. Thanks in advance.

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As of February, the price of WPC is ~12% higher than it was in 2008 by that chart and significantly lower than the 2011/2012 top prices.

Feed prices are irrelevant to the price of myofusion given the price of whey because that's already accounted for in the dairy production line that results in whey prices. Nice herring.

Freight price index is ~33% higher.

So, again, how does this add up to a: 15% price increase for a 20% smaller tub containing an undisclosed quantity less protein compared to the original myofusion in any explanation that does not involve increased profit margins?

And why are reputable competitors of yours able to offer:

-Better prices
-Without the undisclosed free form amino acid fluff
-While producing substantially lower volumes than you are and in theory getting worse deals on raws

see:

-Pronom 23
-Protean

[De__eB]

[deserusan]

As of February, the price of WPC is ~12% higher than it was in 2008 by that chart and significantly lower than the 2011/2012 top prices.

True whey pricing is based on long and short term contracts typically established 3-6 months in advance. Whey is about 1.5x higher per pound per the graph. Your math is off.

Feed prices are irrelevant to the price of myofusion because that's already accounted for in the dairy production line that results in whey prices..

No they aren't. WPC raw prices are effected by a myriad of factors, including speculation on feed prices, cheese prices, and butter prices as well as grain prices. All of these input prices effect the net present value of the contracts purchased based on the dairy futures market. It's not that cut and dry and people who do strategy in this industry understand this quite well.

Freight price index is ~33% higher.

That is significant when considering variable costs in a product life cycle pricing strategy. I scratched the surface with the graphs here into true input costs. I'm not taking into inflation or import/export impact on supply/demand elasticity.

So, again, how does this add up to a: 15% price increase for a 20% smaller tub containing an undisclosed quantity less protein compared to the original myofusion in any explanation that does not involve increased profit margins?

Actually knowing all the fixed and variable costs which contribute to protein pricing and profitability, it's pretty clear to anyone involved in the industry. Furthermore, this is a global market. Pricing strategies are not based on the value of the American dollar but rather the price indexes of all the major distribution territories. If you've ever done a CVP analysis for protein using PLCM time model then you would understand. We aren't optimizing based on price elasticity of demand ratios. We're just trying to maintain our position.

[De__eB]

Actually knowing all the fixed and variable costs which contribute to protein pricing and profitability, it's pretty clear to anyone involved in the industry. Furthermore, this is a global market. Pricing strategies are not based on the value of the American dollar but rather the price indexes of all the major distribution territories. If you've ever done a CVP analysis for protein using PLCM time model then you would understand. We aren't optimizing based on price elasticity of demand ratios. We're just trying to maintain our position.

So are your competitors cheating or something?

Numerous competing quality brand blend...concentrate...and isolate...products are significantly cheaper by weight WITHOUT adding in free form amino acids to cut costs.

Speaking of which, do you have any comment on the inclusion of glycine in your protein as label fluff categorized as protein?

[Vinny82]

I remember when there was just Myofusion, everyone was happy. Then they decide to discontinue that, and release the Probiotic series, which ended up being a flop. Now they are back out with Myofusion "elite". The old myofusion retailed for ~$45 for a 5 pound tub. This new Elite Myofusion is now going for ~$50 for a 4 POUND TUB!!! And to me it tastes exactly like the old stuff.. If production of this new stuff actually costs more, I can understand the price climb. But to me it seems like they slapped a new sticker on a smaller tub and are making the consumer pay more for less.

Plus this whole controversy...

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=152529053

Who knows how much of the protein is fillers... I feel like companies will do anything for a buck these days, especially in the supplement industry. It's a shame because I do like Myofusion, but I think I'm going to go with a cheaper alternative... Suggestions?

I agree I used to be a diehard gaspari fan Loved superpump max and the old myofusion probably went through 6-7 tubs of each about a year or two ago, but with all the recent controversy I am hesitant to spend my money on their products anymore

[deserusan]

So are your competitors cheating or something?

Many are, yes.

Numerous competing quality brand blend...concentrate...and isolate...products are significantly cheaper by weight WITHOUT adding in free form amino acids to cut costs.

Isofusion has no added amino acids. We're also honest about the carb content. No pure WPI product with 24 grams or more of protein per serving is carb free.

Speaking of which, do you have any comment on the inclusion of glycine in your protein?

This is no different than selling whey without any functional peptide groups stripping colustrum, IGF-1, glycomacropeptide etc which can even decrease the bioavailability. Unless you are buying native non-gmo whey protein which is extremely expensive, there will always be a degree of amino acid infusion. Some companies are honest and tell you, others aren't. Plain and simple. This is allowable under US food law as long as you're honest on the label. We are being honest. I'd focus on the products that contain adulterants not listed on the label or those getting outted for containing carbs when they claim to have none.

[cjwav34]

....there will always be a degree of amino acid infusion. Some companies are honest and tell you, others aren't. Plain and simple....

This is what people should really be up in arms about.

[deserusan]

This is what people should really be up in arms about.

Bingo...but some folks just have an agenda to bust Gaspari Nutrition's balls on here instead of tackling the really tough issues.

[De__eB]

Many are, yes.



Isofusion has no added amino acids. We're also honest about the carb content. No pure WPI product with 24 grams or more of protein per serving is carb free.

Eh it's possible, to be under the threshold up to like 27

This is no different than selling whey without any functional peptide groups stripping colustrum, IGF-1, glycomacropeptide etc which can even decrease the bioavailability. Unless you are buying native non-gmo whey protein which is extremely expensive, there will always be a degree of amino acid infusion. Some companies are honest and tell you, others aren't. Plain and simple. This is allowable under US food law as long as you're honest on the label. We are being honest.

You could be more honest and at least tell people how much glycine/taurine is being added to the product. Based around the maltodextrin content and reasonable estimates as to the protein ratios in the product it could be anywhere from 2 to 5 grams of glycine/taurine, per serving. There's probably a reason glycine is only 1.5-2% of whey protein naturally. And taurine isn't even technically an amino acid, so it's kind of a stretch to be including that as protein on labels at all.

I'd focus on the products that contain adulterants not listed on the label or those getting outted for containing carbs when they claim to have none.

I focus on everyone, some companies are a lost cause. Gaspari at least seems to try...most of the time (except for turkesterone, but that's a bygone era )

[De__eB]

Bingo...but some folks just have an agenda to bust Gaspari Nutrition's balls on here instead of tackling the really tough issues.

Most people don't have the resources financial nor legal to tackle adulteration issues.

For example, I could pay to lab test every single protein product bb.com sells. That cost pales in comparison to the 50 lawsuits I'd be served with in response.

Also, attacking adulteration requires lab testing which nobody in the industry would advocate because it's harmful to the prop blend philosophy.

Now if some industry leaders wanted to get together and decide to say no to prop blens, post their CGMP-mandated batch testing results, and test a broad range of competing products as well...that could be useful....but everyone within the industry is afraid of lawsuits as well

[AntM1564]

So are your competitors cheating or something?

Numerous competing quality brand blend...concentrate...and isolate...products are significantly cheaper by weight WITHOUT adding in free form amino acids to cut costs.

Speaking of which, do you have any comment on the inclusion of glycine in your protein as label fluff categorized as protein?

I'm not defending Gaspari here, I don't use/haven't used Myo since the OG, but at least they do put on the label the addition of glycine and people can see it as a label fluff. It is the companies that do not we have to worry about. The supplement industry is not the cleanest business. Not trying to get Company A vs. Company B here or compare products. For all we know, every protein producer can be doing this, but not all put it on the label.

EDIT - Didn't see your above post until I posted. Agree with you 100% on it.

[Elliptical Envy]

Too much winking for me on this page.

[Bliptrip]

This is no different than selling whey without any functional peptide groups stripping colustrum, IGF-1, glycomacropeptide etc which can even decrease the bioavailability. Unless you are buying native non-gmo whey protein which is extremely expensive, there will always be a degree of amino acid infusion. Some companies are honest and tell you, others aren't. Plain and simple. This is allowable under US food law as long as you're honest on the label. We are being honest. I'd focus on the products that contain adulterants not listed on the label or those getting outted for containing carbs when they claim to have none.

Solid deflection.

Are you saying Gaspari is in control of the amino acid infusion, or that any non-gmo whey protein raw will be pre-infused prior to Gaspari blending it into the product?

[VaughnTrue]

Too much winking for me on this page.