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02-27-2013, 07:26 PM #61
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02-27-2013, 09:08 PM #65
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Srs question to you and others. Do you think a child of young age(3-4) is actually capable of making a decision as to what gender they are? If not, then isn't that child really mentally the gender they identify with? I don't think the child is just 'wanting' to be the opposite sex, they feel/think they are the opposite sex. I don't think it is a conscious choice.
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02-27-2013, 09:16 PM #66
I Don't think anyone is capable of making decisions, they do what they can within their environment.
But the initial environment is what also establishes their sense of conscious.
So then could be more regarding parents than whats told, either way its not normal.
Freud's child development
The Phallic Stage
Age Range: 3 to 6 Years
Erogenous Zone: Genitals
During the phallic stage, the primary focus of the libido is on the genitals. At this age, children also begin to discover the differences between males and females....
Freud also believed that boys begin to view their fathers as a rival for the mother’s affections. The Oedipus complex describes these feelings of wanting to possess the mother and the desire to replace the father. However, the child also fears that he will be punished by the father for these feelings, a fear Freud termed castration anxiety.
The term Electra complex has been used to described a similar set of feelings experienced by young girls. Freud, however, believed that girls instead experience penis envy.
Eventually, the child begins to identify with the same-sex parent as a means of vicariously possessing the other parent. For girls, however, Freud believed that penis envy was never fully resolved and that all women remain somewhat fixated on this stage.Last edited by RugbyTank; 02-27-2013 at 09:21 PM.
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02-27-2013, 09:29 PM #67
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I am not disagreeing that a child is partially a product of their environment, but the interaction between genetics, environment, and gene expression is way more complex than simply blaming it on the parents. If it was solely environment then all children that grew up with gay parents would be gay, but that doesn't happen.
Also, Freudian theory has been proven to be mostly crap. A pivotal figure in the development of the field and his philosophical work is interesting, but I wouldn't use him as a reliable source.
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02-28-2013, 05:57 AM #68
Probably, because future generations are being groomed to be weirdos. Take a look around. Freaks everywhere. This boy was born with a penis. He's a boy. I don't see why it's even discussed. The fact that the word "transgender" even exists is sad. If there's a medical condition causing you to have both, then that's an issue, but that isn't what this is about. This is about boys wanting to be girls. Hey, maybe I want to be a dog! Can I go run around naked in public and say I'm a dog and not get in trouble for it?
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02-28-2013, 06:18 AM #70
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Well, the homosexual woman has the option of telling people she is homosexual or not. There is a good chance that no one will feel uncomfortable because they do not know. The boy doesn't exactly have an option of removing his penis before showering with the girls. My point is that if he is allowed to use the opposite sex's facilities now, what is going to prevent that in the future? Is it going to be "Ok, you can go use the toilet in the girls locker room, but you have to change you clothes with the guys"?
I realize most showers are now compartmentalized, so its the same issue with the restroom. But in other areas it is not. I know the gym on our base has an open shower. While a lot of guys probably would not mind a female showering with them, I imagine the same can not be said the other way around. I guess it could be like the showers in Starship Troopers, lol.There is no spoon.
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02-28-2013, 06:26 AM #71
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You are calling him a guy because they have penis, but in every mental sense, they are a woman. Gender vs sex, two completely different things. Maybe it's time we go to non segregated washrooms, and just have separate stalls, get out of this dated way of thinking that we have to be separated. Unfortunately, I think there are SOME people, who would make that not work, by not being able to simply respect others. Probably the same guys that spend more time watching women squat than actually working out.
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02-28-2013, 07:04 AM #72
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If this was 17th century Europe, I have no doubt FitnessCPA would insist that Galileo was a "weirdo" and a freak.
The funny thing about this is that he always positions himself as the minority. As if all of America is completely friendly to all genderqueer and otherwise queer individuals, when in fact his stance is quite conventional and constitutes the majority. What's sad is how rampant transphobia is in this country, to the point where many gender-queer youth are homeless for being thrown out of their homes; and violence and murder against trans* individuals (particularly trans women and QPOC) is a real issue. So while it may be hypothetical for him to say "LOL just beat the queer out of him!" it's not hypothetical for thousands of people across the country. It's unfortunate that his bigotry limits his ability to think outside a conventional gender paradigm, considering it's these same sentiments that cause trans* individuals to fear for their lives on a daily basis.
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02-28-2013, 07:05 AM #73
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02-28-2013, 07:37 AM #74
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02-28-2013, 08:18 AM #75
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02-28-2013, 08:47 AM #76
^this.
Just this week i've heard of 3 students in my area at various colleges OD abusing narcotics, yet not a single word on the news. We need to focus on bigger problems.
As someone who has a sibling significantly younger, I can tell you that the mind of a 6 year old is a strange place that should not be taken seriously at any time."Overtraining" - sponsoring fukarounditis & half a$sed workouts since 1991
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02-28-2013, 08:56 AM #77
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Didn't read entire thread. From what I've read the last few days, science does support it's a mental issue that makes them identify with the opposite sex of what they are even at that young age.
I don't think this should even be an argument. Until the boy/girl has the appropriate parts, they should be forced to use their genders or a neutral restroom.
As usual Illini is taking an extreme point of view and claiming if we don't agree with her we are the scum of the earth. Let's protect the one child's feelings with the supposed issue, but ignore the majority in the process. Shocking.
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02-28-2013, 09:07 AM #78
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02-28-2013, 09:10 AM #79
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Serious question, how exactly does a girl with a penis disrupt the normal functioning of a female bathroom? I'm serious. If the little girl acts the same as the other little girls and is in accordance with regular bathroom procedure, how are the other children negatively affected?
Like I said before, as someone who has used girls/womens restrooms my entire life, I can attest to the fact that I have NO clue what goes on in the pants of the person in the stall next to me. Nor do I care.
If school administrators and educators were mentally equipped to handle trans* issues nobody else would know either, nor care. Trans women are women and trans men are men regardless of what genitalia they were or were not born with.
But no, bullying IS totally the best corrective action for this situation
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02-28-2013, 09:14 AM #80
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02-28-2013, 09:17 AM #81
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Are you joking? What gives you the idea that just because it doesn't bother you that it doesn't bother everyone else? Who's to say by the time the kid is 14 or 15 and puberty kicks he isn't going to realize how great a penis is when it's inside of a vagina and suddenly realize he was wrong? Just because science supports it's a mental issue now doesn't mean that won't change next week. I agree with whoever said this above: The school is being more than reasonable in allowing the kid to use a neutral restroom, the nurses room or whatever, but there's no legit reason he should be able to waltz into the restroom and use it. Do you honestly think a bunch of 6 year olds girls aren't going to be affected having a boy in their bathroom? I can't see how you could possibly take that stance with logical thinking.
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02-28-2013, 09:17 AM #82
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You're really grasping at straws, here. It's more likely that SHE will be assaulted at any point in her life (by family, by classmates, by strangers) than the other way around.
So you're saying someone with a penis is predisposed to sexually assaulting women? Interesting...
Realizing "how great a penis is when it's inside of a vagina" is about sexual orientation.... not gender identification. You must be confused. A trans woman can be attracted to other women...
6 year old girls seeing a boy in the bathroom... yes they would find that odd. 6 year old girls seeing another girl in the bathroom? Not so much.
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02-28-2013, 09:20 AM #83
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02-28-2013, 09:21 AM #85
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02-28-2013, 09:27 AM #86
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Now you're confusing idioms: http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/grasping+at+straws
Sure! And a teacher could sexually assault a student!
Are we not going to allow teachers in classrooms? Because the likelihood of a teacher sexually assaulting a student is astronomically more likely than this little girl assaulting other occupants in the bathroom.
But is it a possibility? Sure. There you go. I still find it interesting that the existence of a penis immediately goes to the extreme of sexual assault in your mind. Someone mentioned Freud? He would have a field day with that one.
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02-28-2013, 09:30 AM #87
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02-28-2013, 09:34 AM #88
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I have honest to goodness never read a story of a trans woman assaulting another woman in a restroom. If you have some handy, please let me know, I'd be interested to read of it.
On the other hand, teachers sexually violate students quite often. As are trans women often violently assaulted sexually and otherwise, particularly trans WOC.
Lemme see what I can dig up since I'm at work and have access to the university research resources.
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02-28-2013, 09:35 AM #89
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