cured my social anxiety solely with abusing this

[BornToConquer]

Good luck with your 2013 goals and abuse.

[Naeem11]

Eating a well structured/balanced diet? Not even once.

[inzayN]

Confusing thread is confusing...

Should I take:

A) B6 only
B) B6 + P5P
C) B6 + Niacin
D) B6 + Niacin + P5P
E) B6 + 5HTP
F) B6 + 5HTP + P5P

Reps for answer (letter) and brief explanation plz bros. I have been experiencing lots of social anxiety lately.


Tried to make easily answerable... My mind = full of fuk

In on answer.

also what do you guys think of this b-complex product:
Vitamin B1 50 mg
Vitamin B2 50 mg
Vitamin B6 50 mg
Vitamin B12 50 mcg
Niacinamide 50 mg
Folic Acid 200 mcg
Pantothenic Acid 50 mcg
D-Biotin 150 mcg
Choline Bitartrate 50 mg
Inositol 50 mg
Para Amino Banzoic 50 mg

[AndrewChan]

tempted to try now

yes i'm serious

day 2 now and the niacin isn't causing a flush anymore

i don't know if its a placebo effect but i believe i'm thinking clearer and my overall mood is not as negative

i don't have social anxiety so i can't comment on whether or not it helps with it

but its cheap (i think the p-5-p was $20 and the b-6 was $6 at vitaminne shoppe) so i don't think it hurts too much to try

[AndrewChan]

Confusing thread is confusing...

Should I take:

A) B6 only
B) B6 + P5P
C) B6 + Niacin
D) B6 + Niacin + P5P
E) B6 + 5HTP
F) B6 + 5HTP + P5P

Reps for answer (letter) and brief explanation plz bros. I have been experiencing lots of social anxiety lately.


Tried to make easily answerable... My mind = full of fuk

start off with (A) and add one at a time to see how it affects you

[powahshake]

Look for the active forms of the substances. That's the most important thing.


When you take B6 for example, it is best in the form of P-5-P. P-5-P is the active form your body works with; the other forms of B6 end up as P-5-P anyway when metabolised. And if your body is slacking in the conversion process towards P-5-P you might not even get the full dose. It is noted that the nerve damage with high dose B6 is not really to do with P-5-P but the other forms.

B6, B3 and B12 are good to take, B12 in the form of methylcobalamin (cyanocobalamin is the common cheapskate form which is much harder for the body to absorb but easier on the manufacter's wallets), B3 in the form of straight Niacin, not that pussy no-flush kind. No flush niacin can mess with your liver. The flush does a lot of good for you, it's hilarious seeing people who pride themselves on being "ALPHA" who can't even take a little niacin flush. Niacin is something you want in your body as fast as possible. Slow release is Chinese water torture on the organs.


But going into this world, you will soon realise that you need to increase and balance your uptake of EVERY micronutrient. Many vitamins & minerals compete with each other for absorption, and they also oppose each other's effects in the body, there's a whole lot of yin & yang going on here.

Which is why I personally say save yourself the trouble and get a green superfood powder, find one with a high dose of B12, make sure they don't skimp on the B3 either. B vitamins from food sources are head and shoulders above isolated ones because they come with many cofactors for absorption & metabolism and what not. I take my Source Naturals/Orange Triad every day, they give over the RDA on every vit. But when I take a scoop of green superfood powder it hits me like vitamin C, C for *******. There is no substitute for food-sourced vitamins.


Another good nutrient for social anxiety is Magnesium. Most of you guys will have your diet heavily skewed in favour of Calcium, and will be Mg deficient. Mg is the inhibitory mineral that tells your muscles to chillax. No Mg = chronic muscle tension. Take an epsom salts bath.

[powahshake]

I cannot even begin to fathom how desperate you are to make your point. Actually trying to sit here and draw lines between animal research and humans when it comes to mental illness. I mean, you must be really grasping for straws to try and make me look absurd for not accepting the application of an animal's brain and their cognitive ability to the formation of mental illness in humans. This is too funny.

"The rats can perform in mazes better, so humans must get happier when the same treatment is applied!"


I cannot even fathom such a simplistic and narrow-minded thought process. I bet you think fructose is bad, too, because the animal models said so!

Do you even learned helplessness? I'm not going to entertain your post because it's evident this exchange was never about sharing information but proving your ego. Of course I am desperate to make my point. Don't think I'm desperate to prove it to your graduate ass though, lmao. I'm here to help my suffering misc brahs with dat dere knowledge, the kind of knowledge you should be dropping in this thread but you're too much of a pansy to actually quell your arrogance and share, instead of challenging everything that doesn't agree with your world view.

Meanwhile, the reps keep flying in, not because I'm talking hot air but because I live and breathe the information I share. Like I said, my entire life and ability to love other people depends 100% on me being right about this crucial point. Had you investigated BDNF or actually known something about it instead of dropping your pansy credentials left and right you'd know that BDNF and environment are fundamental to each other. Degrees are ten a penny but that penny doesn't necessarily buy you wisdom and intelligence. You can spend all your life talking about feelings with sufferers but none of that will ever give you the visceral effect of actually going through with it yourself. You talk much about clinical issues but I've yanked myself out of severe clinical depression comorbid with things I don't need to talk about on here (yes, diagnosed). No therapist could do that for me. No SSRI could do that for me. Ironically my diagnosis changed every time I changed myself.

I've had care workers who've been doing what you did for over twice as long as you've been alive and even they can't touch this info, purely because of how new and bleeding-edge it is. Although it isn't really because if people had listened to Abram Hoffer they'd realise this info is old-school. But it can't be used to uphold drug dealers peddling prozac to prozac junkies.


So to that end, I bid you peace. Let the words speak for themselves.



Anyway for the brahs that care, here's a post that helped me a fukkload:

(Source: The holy grail for ADHD - BDNF and neurogenesis - MUST READ THREAD)

Omega 3s normalize and regulate BDNF http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18620024
Exercise up-regulates BDNF circulation and concentration http://ep.physoc.org/content/94/10/1062.full.pdf
Amphetamines increase BDNF expression http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21570990
Meditation reduces stress and increases BDNF expression http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17905931
Short term sleep deprivation reduces BDNF http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...06899300027086
BDNF shows regenerative effect in Parkinson's http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21236244
Enriched Environment increases BDNF activity http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21236277
BDNF used for short term and long term memory and inhibitory learning http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12201640
There's also studies linking BDNF to food intake, such as toxins and heavy metals and lard lowering BDNF, as well as soy protein increasing expression.
I've read before about working memory training and learning how to play musical instruments increase BDNF.
I couldn't find anything on EEG biofeedback's effect though.

[Fatebound]

Eating a well structured/balanced diet? Not even once.

because you have the time of the day and right food sources to eat 1000% of your b vitamin rda every day

[mynameisuntz]

Do you even learned helplessness? I'm not going to entertain your post because it's evident this exchange was never about sharing information but proving your ego. Of course I am desperate to make my point. Don't think I'm desperate to prove it to your graduate ass though, lmao. I'm here to help my suffering misc brahs with dat dere knowledge, the kind of knowledge you should be dropping in this thread but you're too much of a pansy to actually quell your arrogance and share, instead of challenging everything that doesn't agree with your world view.

I only ever challenged the notion that this method will solve the majority of mental illnesses which YOU stated. I have yet to see a shred of evidence which would suggest that. Interesting how that works, huh? And yet I am just fueling my ego...by requesting evidence...okay.

Meanwhile, the reps keep flying in, not because I'm talking hot air but because I live and breathe the information I share. Like I said, my entire life and ability to love other people depends 100% on me being right about this crucial point. Had you investigated BDNF or actually known something about it instead of dropping your pansy credentials left and right you'd know that BDNF and environment are fundamental to each other. Degrees are ten a penny but that penny doesn't necessarily buy you wisdom and intelligence. You can spend all your life talking about feelings with sufferers but none of that will ever give you the visceral effect of actually going through with it yourself. You talk much about clinical issues but I've yanked myself out of severe clinical depression comorbid with things I don't need to talk about on here (yes, diagnosed). No therapist could do that for me. No SSRI could do that for me. Ironically my diagnosis changed every time I changed myself.

Like I said, I do know about BDNF. I studied it too, guy. And no where in that research did it state anything close to the idea that vitamin B-6 will magically cure the majority of mental illnesses. I did not drop my credentials left and right; YOU are the one who brought credentials into the picture by trying to say YOU studied this more than I did. Funny how that works. So you get to challenge my intellectual credibility, and when I respond, well that's just ego! Ha! You are too much.

See? Again you assume. I've witnessed firsthand the depths of MDD from a family member who has suffered for well over a decade. It's cool that something worked for you (srs), but don't sit here and think that gives you the right to make absurd claims regarding the rest of the population.

I've had care workers who've been doing what you did for over twice as long as you've been alive and even they can't touch this info, purely because of how new and bleeding-edge it is. Although it isn't really because if people had listened to Abram Hoffer they'd realise this info is old-school. But it can't be used to uphold drug dealers peddling prozac to prozac junkies.

Uh huh. Still waiting on that evidence which is so bleeding-edge.

So to that end, I bid you peace. Let the words speak for themselves.

Anyway for the brahs that care, here's a post that helped me a fukkload:

And you have yet to say any words of empirical worth. For some reason, when I challenge statements that appear to be of an empirical nature, that makes me the bad guy. And when you say you have researched this more than I have, and I respond by explaining you probably have not, that again makes me the bad guy (and egotistical). It's ridiculous because a good exchange could have taken place here, instead you talk in hyperbole, get called out for it, and go into defense mode (and then try to make ME look bad for having high standards of empirical evidence and listing my credentials when YOU challenge them).

If you really do not see how absurd you are being, then I just don't know what to tell you. But hey, you got some reps from people who are hopeful that this can work for them, so that MUST make you credible. Got it. And when people post "all women are whorez lol" and they get a thousand reps, well that must make them credible, too! That's like, an odd appeal to authority...based on reps...

[CH3WYYY]

fuk it.

Ordered these:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/HealthAid-Vi...7832395&sr=1-1

inb4 death

[Harry815]

The vitamin B6 tablets at GNC are 200mg. Should I grab those or 100mg?

[Goncho]

but come off of it and see what happens

[EmbarassYou]

cured mine with no fap. worked like a charm

[C_Kent]

Thanks brose

[peterholbrook]

From taking B vitamins?

from taking niacin (a b-vitamin) it can raise histamine, I enjoy the niacin flush though but yeah, made me bust a nut
so quickly

[Love Pirate]

In very late on the b-6 thread. I'm very skeptical. Wiki says that deficiency of this is very rare and it's in meat, veggies, nuts, fruit, etc that I eat every day. Why would I take more? Reps for cliffs of this thread

[AhDo]

In very late on the b-6 thread. I'm very skeptical. Wiki says that deficiency of this is very rare and it's in meat, veggies, nuts, fruit, etc that I eat every day. Why would I take more? Reps for cliffs of this thread

the same reason why you take multis, zinc or creatine

cliff:
-try b50 complex and see if it helps you
-a lot of people say it made them less anxious

[Harry815]

the same reason why you take multis, zinc or creatine

cliff:
-try b50 complex and see if it helps you
-a lot of people say it made them less anxious

So start with B-6 first or B-50?

[powahshake]

So start with B-6 first or B-50?

Better off buying B-50 then some P-5-P. Yeah B6 probably does things in the high doses OP is talking about but the reason it's working at those high doses is only because somewhere in its metabolic pathway, something is deficient due to the lack of another factor that should have been supplied by the other vits. The same example can be seen with megadose niacin; nobody needs megadose niacin but the action of megadosing activates other things in the brain such as BDNF. Why megadose the niacin when you can go straight to the point?

It's very Rube-Goldberg machine like (this hits that, that hits that, etc etc etc), using a long complex process to do something that could be achieved with much easier means.

It's much better to have a full spectrum vitamin intake than a mega dose of just one. More likely the megadose of one vitamin is simply making up for the deficiency of another or multiple others; long term megadosing will probably skew the balance of your body in a bad way then you'll have a much bigger problem on your hands. Remember guys you don't just pop open the hood of a car and go "ok I'll tighten that bolt a little... no wait, I'll get a torque wrench and tighten it till its on the verge of explosion (i.e. megadose)". There are better ways -




One of these tubs will do. They'll outdo everything else. The first one I had (wasn't that brand) contained like 5000% the RDA for vitamin B12.
You can also make them yourself. Buy some organic spirulina, chlorella, barleygrass, wheatgrass powder. Powder in some of your own random herbs but use your mind and do it wisely.

[Harry815]

^Thanks brah. Are you recommending B-50 based on social anxiety issues, or just health in general?

[JtotheIzzo]

in for later

[Harry815]

So these B vitamin pills don't have any negative effects on weight loss goals right?

For anyone who takes B-6, if you feel numbness in your arms or legs ever, stop right away. They say going above 100mg can cause nerve damage.

[Braveheart91]

Too much bro science, someone just link some labels I can order and i'm all good.

[Orzel8]

http://www.********/product/index.jsp?productId=4033441

got everything you need, no joke been taking this vitamin for a week and have never felt better. lifts been better, mentality is good, and im loving life!

[Vivarant]

interesting, thanks for the post

[Phaze2]

Cure to social anxiety is to get drunk once a week, mad drunk and do stuff you wouldn't normally do with your condition, you will get used to doing it and would be able to do it without getting drunk because your familiar with doing it. But you have to be consistent in doing it, once you take a few weeks off your anxiety will build back up to where it started from.

srs, works.

[Braveheart91]

http://www.********/product/index.jsp?productId=4033441

got everything you need, no joke been taking this vitamin for a week and have never felt better. lifts been better, mentality is good, and im loving life!

wut link

[ubermario]

Might be a coincidence but I took a 50mg vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) pill yesterday and today, and I've had dry hands all day today. I ussually have very sweaty hands when going out and on/off sweaty hands at home.

[JtotheIzzo]

watsdoingbrah, jrhodez, and powahshake, so what do you each recommend one to take? I want to try this out but lots of stuff has been posted and it is a little confusing.

[ViolentZ]

dont fukking lie to us op, cause if you do